No, it’s the well known “Paradox of Tolerance”. Tolerating intolerance simply leads to tolerance being destroyed. In this case, allowing advocacy for white supremacy inevitably means driving out all other viewpoints.
Like any other principle turning tolerance into an absolute leads to absurdities and worse; absolute principles don’t work in real life.
I need to to check something…
big·ot·ry
/ˈbiɡətrē/
noun
noun: bigotry; plural noun: bigotries
intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.
Yep, still the same in spite of efforts to the contrary.
Carry on.
Sorry. Off topic.
“You don’t love Nazis? So much for the tolerant Left!”
Actually a lot of knitters and crocheters and especially designers are between 20-40. Not just on Ravelry but the knitting community as a whole is very inclusive I have found. Not just regarding LGBT but opposing viewpoints. But they were civil debates and both sides could usually find some middle ground.
Trump is different because it seems like no one is neutral about him. His supporters love him and will defend anything he does. His detractors hate him and criticize every move he makes. And when the two sides come together it’s nothing but a big fight that quickly gets ugly and once it comes to a head neither side is willing to back down or compromise. And then people hold grudges and the nastiness carries over.
I meant to add that where I work Trump talk is not “forbidden” but it is discouraged. Right after the election there were a few spats over Trump winning and/or not losing and rather than referee a bunch of arguments HR sent out an email that basically said “we expect you to do your jobs in a professional mature manner regardless of race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or political affiliation” and it wasn’t hard to connect the dots.
Maybe it’s not fair or censorhip or whatever but it sure did make it a lot more pleasant to come to work every day. 
“I’m going to kill you!”
“What? No! Why?!”
“I just want to kill someone, I don’t really like you and I think I’d be happier if I killed you.”
“But that’s horrible, you shouldn’t kill people just because you want to!”
“You’re such a bigot, I’ve got the right to my own opinions!”
“You’re right, I should learn to be more tolerant.” dies
By that definition I am a proud bigot.
I am intolerant towards:
Anti vaxxers
people who don’t pay taxes
people who believe the Earth is flat
people who think its ok to proselytize after someone has indicated disinterests
men who think its ok to verbally accost women on the street with sexual remarks
people who insist the Civil War wasn’t about slavery
I don’t even have to get into being intolerant of people who tie people behind trucks due to their race or gender preference to kill them. Seriously, antivaxxers are more than sufficient.
“Bigotry is a belief system and you want to suppress it! YOU’RE the real bigots!”
Similarly, the Left can tolerate anything but disagreement.
Regards,
Shodan
Nitpick: When you enter “definition:bigotry” into Google, you’ll get lots of hits. Merriam-Webster, Dictionary.com, Wictionary.org, collinsdictionary.com (“the possession or expression of strong, unreasonable prejudices or opinions”), dictionary.cambridge.org, and more. And some default glurge from Google itself.
You’ve quoted the Google glurge, far less intelligent, in this case, than any of the other definitions you had to choose from. Congrats?
goddamn do you love a bad-faith argument
Ravelry is “the left?” I mean, I’m not a regular forum poster over there, but that is a little like saying that the SDMB is the Bernie Sanders election committee. Its a community with a lot of diversity of viewpoints. It would like to stay that way, hence, they aren’t going to let you dox someone out of the community because they aren’t white Christian and straight. Go ahead and be a Stormfront member. Just - and we have this same rule here, by the way, don’t be an asshole about in on our board.
And if you don’t like it - don’t join Ravelry. Or the SDMB.
Not to mention that Google can be gamed (and has been in the past).
I have never heard the word bigotry applied to a differing of opinion. It has always been about being the wrong skin color, ethnicity, class or possibly the wrong religion… but often “the wrong religion” is really about… being the wrong skin color, ethnicity, or class.
Agreed. One of the most dangerous things happening in our national discourse is the definition of anything anti-Trump as “extreme left.” No. You don’t have to be even a liberal to be anti-Trump. Look at all the Republican Congresscritters who quit the political game rather than submit to a party which demanded outspoken Trump support in exchange for campaign support. They said if they couldn’t get re-elected without supporting him they’d just go back to the private sector.
Look at the Georges Bush, both of whom have come out against him in the past. Are they automatic Liberals now? No.
In the modern US right wing lexicon there’s only two sorts of people; neo-Nazis (the good guys) and the rest of humanity (Satan worshiping monsters).
Standard “bothsides” right wing rhetoric.
“You don’t want to be killed? That makes you just as bad as the killers!”
And if you want to post a build the wall knitting pattern - make your own blog - you can do it for free - and post it there. While I find some of my knitting patterns on Ravelry, I find some of them just by throwing what I want to do into a Google search - which sometimes brings up Ravelry and sometimes brings up someone’s blog and sometimes brings up a yarn company’s pattern page. (I find most of my patterns through yarn stores - being able to see and touch what you are going to spend a hundred hours on makes a difference). Ravelry has become the biggest distributor of digital patterns - but in a search enabled internet - they really can’t nail down a monopoly.
And did anyone see this - Reddit has shut down a right wing forum due to inciting violence: Reddit's The_Donald Quarantine Causes Subreddit Drama and Ban Fear
But it is a political opinion what constitutes ‘favoring white supremacy’.
It’s not a 1st amendment issue but it still comes back to the concept of free speech which is a broader concept. People believe in free speech because they think their ideas can win in free debate. People who doubt that tend to want to shut the other side up.
Whereas, if politics aren’t directly relevant and political arguments cause headaches, it’s quite practical to just say ‘no politics here’. I frequent various special interest web forums which enforce that without a huge problem.
And sometimes they just want to troll, insult, intimidate and harass the other side. Which is exactly what the Trumpists on Ravelry were doing when they doxxed the fellow Raveler who reported their pro-Trump designs as inappropriately hate-speechy:
Which is a worse violation of “free speech” principles: to have an official policy on a private online fiber-arts site prohibiting hate speech and anti-inclusive opinions, or to react to being reported for policy violations by doxxing the reporter and sending them hate-filled racist emails and death threats?
People who just shrug off aggressive insults and intimidating attacks on people making objections to hate speech, and then jump up to whine and scold about official policies by private entities prohibiting hate speech, are making it very clear where their real priorities lie.
And this is coming from me as a long-term ACLU member, btw: I would have no truck with any unconstitutional prohibitions on hate speech, however vile and bigoted its content. But there is nothing unconstitutional about a private entity having a policy against hate speech in the activities it promotes. And hate-speech apologists who try to complain that such policies are transgressing against some kind of “broader concept of free speech” need to think a little harder about how hate speech itself is violating that concept.
Any thought of a “broader concept of free speech” is bullshit.
If I go over to your house and refer to you as asshole, insult your wife, and threaten your children…you have every right to throw me out of your house.
If I stand in your business and scare away any of a group (gay people, black people, Christians, women, men)
My right to control my space trumps any right you have to free speech.
The broader idea is civility. Not free speech. Without civility, free speech to change minds is meaningless and becomes simply a way to incite violence. To change minds with free speech you need people willing to listen - you don’t get people willing to listen when you address them with “hey, you worthless asshole…I’m going to kill you and then you will go to fucking hell for who you are.”