You dick heads just have way to much time on your hands...

Wow, I was halfway expecting to get flamed for my rant, lets see if I can address all the relevant points, the humorous ones were good to
so If I hadn’t responded to you glorious wit, please know I laughed just the same. Onward!
** iampunha ** wrote

The whole bubble wrap idea was scrapped in favor of foam rubber, because the threatened “Tikilliawithkindness” bird, who’s natural habitat covers an entire square meter area some where you never herd of, COULD mistake the bubbles for it’s natural food (six pack rings) thus leading to it’s extinction.
** Larry Mudd ** wrote

Mr. Mudd, I never said I was not in favor of animal rights, I said I was NOT in favor of a small group of people telling a large group of people how to live.
** World Eater ** wrote

It is beginning to look that way to me. Seriously though, the whole situation will probably get so comically out of hand that there will be some sort of public back lash and people like this will be laughed out of existence – or one can only hope.
** reprise ** wrote

That’s the way it is supposed to be, however this megalomaniac
and her posse of fun police thinks she should have the right to write the permission slips for 9000 kids, not just hers.

As do I.
** reprise ** wrote

This is SO true. I couldn’t organize some of the field trips that my son has gone on, like the farm for example, and do you think they would give a tour like that to a group of 3? Any way if people like ** Peggy Hilden** have their way there will only be government approved, politically correct (by her standards, not yours), non competitive, non life demonstrating excursions - like say trips to…umm…trips to…hmmm, well that about wraps it up for field trips!
** NDP ** wrote

You know, I fully realize this is the real meat and potatoes of the issue. The thing that chaps my hide (tee-hee) though is the platform she and her pals chose to demonstrate their one size fits all, small minded, culture killing point of view.

[Peggy voice] “Gosh, I’m bored, I wish I didn’t have all this time on my hands… HAY, I know, I can go ahead and fuck with the lives of all the school kids in the S.F. area, geee, wont that be fun?!?” [/voice]

I don’t see this happening really, zoos are becoming more PC, better habitats for the animals etc, also zoos provide a place for dying species to hopefully recuperate, witness the California Condor program for example. (See, I toldja I wasn’t necessarily against animal rights).

** Wabbit ** wrote

I love it! And to that end we are not talking about a Spanish bull fight here, where the object of the game is to see who dies first, the bull or the Matador. Its a competition where a human tries to beat the clock by demonstrating his/her prowess with regard to a certain group of skills that involve animals one would find on a traditional western cattle farm. Hopefully no one gets hurt. (by the way, I have been thrown off a horse or two.)
** kevja ** wrote

Yeah, I agree, that’s what got me started. Profoundly arrogant IMO.

** Joe K ** wrote

I think its like NDP wrote

I wish I could send that woman a copy of this thread, I wonder how she would respond. It’s no fun throwing sticks and stones at a jerk unless they know they are being hit!

Ya know, that’s not a bad idea. Fight fire with fire, so to speak.

Stan Freeberg a radio-format parody of the “new” idea of political correctness… back in the fifties.
http://lists.spunge.org/funny-bone/archive/msg00268.html
I can only hope that you have heard the recording because it’s much funnier then the transcript would have you believe.

Huh?

Psst… my post was simple absurdist humour. I wouldn’t have posted it if I thought there was any way you might read it as criticism. I agree with your OP 100%.

They don’t seem to have any trouble believing that other myth, so why not Santa Claus?:wink:

** Larry Mudd **

I wasn’t sure, I thought perhaps I might have offended an animal
rights activist, and that when you mentioned blood, I thought of the fake blood they splatter on people wearing fur or something.

So then what were you doing between 6:00 and 10:30PM last night Hmmm…

Stan Freeberg a radio-format parody of the “new” idea of political correctness… back in the fifties.
http://lists.spunge.org/funny-bone/archive/msg00268.html
I can only hope that you have heard the recording because it’s much funnier then the transcript would have you believe.

It’s going to come down to that one Peanuts strip where Linus (or was it Sally?) came home and proudly announced that their class had gone on a field trip to…a field. “Yes sir! We stood right there and we saw that field!”

Also, I wonder if these people ever take into account the harm they’re doing to their kids by setting them up for ridicule. “Collin Hillden’s mom wants the rodeo trip called off. That’s right, Collin Hillden’s mom, C-O-L-L-I-N H-I-L-L-D-E-N.” He may take a permanent field trip eventually.

I’m an atheist. Some of my children’s school excursions have been to architecturally stunning cathedrals. I don’t have a problem with that. In the first place, I have no right whatsoever to impose my religous beliefs upon my children. In the second place, I certainly don’t feel that my viewpoint of the universe is the only valid one, and I sure as shit don’t believe that my children should be deprived of appreciating the good aspects of faiths in which I personally do not believe.

My children are well aware of my atheism. They have all at various times explored a whole heap of different religous philosophies - just as I did when I was younger.

I don’t feel at all threatened when my children ask me questions of faith. I refer them to the best examples I know of any particular faith. I encourage them to ask questions for themselves.

Religion is taught in schools here. I really DO understand the reasons behind the US constitional prohibition on such teaching. But even as an atheist, I would have to say that my children are far better people for having been exposed to so many different religious viewpoints than they would ever have been if I just sat down and said to them “it’s all crap”.

And I am really, REALLY proud of my 10 year old for choosing to observe Ramadan not because she really believes in Allah but because she didn’t want her classmates who are observing Ramadan to be “nigellated”.

Thank you, reprise, for raisin’ 'em up right.
:slight_smile:

Reprise, just so we’re clear, US schools do teach religion, as history/social studies, although in public schools it’s not done til kids are old enough to understand that the school isn’t pushing one religion over another. My 10th grade (15 y.o.) World History class had a several-weeks long study of the major religions of the world.

And your 10-year-old is remarkable. Let us know if she makes it through the whole of Ramadan, okay? (Even Muslim children that young aren’t obligated to observe Ramadan!)

slight hijack, sorry.

Wow. Do Muslim children that young observe Ramadan fully, or do they have their own way of observing it? I mean, in our religion, we have a 19-day sunup to sundown fast, but the youth don’t start doing it until they’re 15. However, in observance of the spirit of the fast, I usually have my 11-year-old “fast” from lunch to dinner, forgoing her afternoon snack. Probably won’t start that with my 2-year-old until she’s at least 6.
As for the OP, it angers and saddens me when I see people trying to inflict their beliefs on everyone around them. After all, if their point of view is that wonderful, wouldn’t many people want to adhere to it without being totally forced? I mean, we’re all free to tell people “this is what I think; this is what I believe. Would you like to go along with us?” But we are not free to say “This is what is right for me, so it has to be right for you, too. So shut up”.

Thanks for clarifying the teaching of religion in US schools. I honestly had the impression that it wasn’t taught at all.

In past years, my daughter has observed Ramadan fully. Given how hot it is this year, I’ve insisted that she must at least drink during the day (she was sent home from school the other day with a headache which I’m sure was due to dehydration).

Although children under 12 are not required to do the full sun up to sundown fast, over the years I’ve noticed that most of the Muslim children in my area who are over about 5 or 6 years of age do go without food during the daylight hours - many also go without drinking as well (which can actually be quite dangerous here, as we’re currently having about 15 hours of daylight and we’re starting to get some very hot days).

One of the blessings of living in a multicultural society is the richness of traditions and beliefs to which my children are exposed - I’m only sad that we know no Jewish families, as I’m sure my children would be fascinated by the history and rituals of the Jewish religion.

A few years ago (when she was about 8) my daughter went out on Christmas Eve with a Muslim family who live around the corner. She was having so much fun that it was about 6pm on Christmas Day before I could persuade her to come home to open her Christmas presents! I think that was the first year she really realised that while Ramadan might appear to outsiders to be about sacrifice and deprivation, it really isn’t. For the Muslims we know, it’s very much a time of sharing (you should see the incredible meals which are eaten after sundown) and generosity.

Oddly, our daughter is in kindergarten now, and has been on three field trips, though we’ve only signed one permission slip. In fact, though I didn’t make an issue of it, I was a little angry the third time, when she came home and told me she’d gone someplace or another and I had no idea she was going anywhere! Next time they have a field trip without notifying me or her mother, I’m raising hell.

Is an all-purpose, all-encompassing permission slip a common thing these days?

Perhaps you could contact a local rabbi (I know there are plenty of Jews in Sydney) who could hook you up with a Passover seder in a few months. Seders are generally pretty fun. Lots of food and wine are consumed, and even the prayers become quite cheery. Also, it is a mitzvah (commandment) to have a gentile at a seder - so that they can see that there is no truth to the myth of the blood libel.

Oh, and all I want to know re: the OP is how come I didn’t get to go to a rodeo when I was in elementary school in San Francisco? I feel so cheated.

I’m just wondering what the educational value of a rodeo is.

I might try that Kyla - I wasn’t aware that gentiles were welcome at a seder.

Now I’d best go google to find out about the myth of the blood libel.

So for the christian school, is santa supposed to be a myth or not?

Yeah, the class was told that Santa, the Easter Bunny and the tooth fairy are myths. What amazed me was the outrage this provoked from some of the parents.

“Why in the world can’t the other kids go? If she doesn’t want her child to go, fine. But this bullshit where she wants to dictate what the other families and kids want to do is arrogant nonsense.”

Yes, it is. It is indeed and it pisses me off to no end.
“I’m just wondering what the educational value of a rodeo is.”

Sometimes the purpose of a field trip is just to have fun.