So your point is that essentially if anyone on the left treats you badly, you’re going to make bad arguments and rigid partisan thinking and generally post worthless stuff on purpose? No point in bringing substantial debate, instead just troll and try to agitate people with your bullshit, because hey, they did it first?
I just want to make it clear that you’re admitting here that you post bullshit on purpose.
The idea that people won’t come to support your correct arguments is because they want to let you stand for yourself in a stoic stance of self-reliance is cute though. I wonder how much crazy cognitive dissonance shit goes on your head to convince yourself that because no one agrees with you ever - even the people who should be on your side and natural allies - that this somehow proves you must be right. It’s probably similar to how crazy people manage to convince themselves that it’s everyone in the world but them that are crazy.
Take gratuitous swipes at liberals and the left at every opportunity, or rather at the cartoonish caricature you imagine these evil forces to be.
Sob and wring your hands at the vile wickedness of those who would be so base as to insult a conservative poster merely for their politics and/or how they choose to express them. Lament the cruel universe that allows the nasty left to prey on the innocent right so freely and without consequence.
Hmm… Maybe because they fucking earned it?! In the last few days, the republican party has held the credibility of our nation hostage and we are paying the price for it. And now they’re on spin control and trying to blame it on the president?!
Again, you pretend that you are just another “right-wing poster.”
Let me make this very clear: my insult was aimed at you, specifically. Not as a right-wing poster, but as the drolling idiot that you are. You are not just another conservative around here; you are sui generis, a uniquely stupid and dishonest person. You’re so stupid or dishonest (it’s never quite clear which, in any given instance) that you continue to insist that people who are insulting you alone constitute evidence of a more general anti-conservative bent.
Right. Because my problem with you is that you’re conservative. And not that you’re a fundamentally dishonest, hypocritical, whining, self-serving, backstabbing little shit stain on the underwear of American society.
How can the OP be anything but embarrassed for posting this? We’ve got Lobohan, elucidator, Der Trihs, gonzomax, and others that regularly declare that Republicans/conservatives want nothing more than to “take hostages”, “drive the U.S. off a cliff”, that they’re evil incarnate, and other horrible, despicable things, and fucking Lonesome is the one that deserves the pitting?
You all really have lost your damn minds, haven’t you? You really are blind to what your own side says and does because IOWADDI, apparently.
I used to be a centrist. My first vote for President was for Republican-turned-Independent John Anderson.
I didn’t “follow” “politics” throughout the '80s and most of the '90s, but I paid very close attention to the state of our nation. I followed news. I watched and learned about what was happening in the world. And what I learned appalled me. Ronald Reagan may be every Republican’s demi-god, but no one will ever convince me that he wasn’t a craven criminal. I’m not going to go into detail and hijack this thread, but suffice it to say, the intentional, purely politically motivated, made-up garbage he and his buddy Wanniski perpetrated on this country has come very close to destroying it from within.
There very well may be conservatives who, on an individual basis, may have smart ideas or common sense ideas that I could agree with implementing. But when it comes to the Republican Party, all bets are off. Off.
If the '80s weren’t enough to convince you (general, not personal form) that the retarded, basackwards notion of “supply-side economics” wasn’t a destructive force to our economy, then by G-d the fucking '00s ought to have.
And even if anyone could convince me that Republican/Conservative economic policy was the be-all and end-all of creating the perfect economy, no one will ever, ever, ever get me to forgive the religious nutjobs Republicans have drawn into their midst, who are systematically stripping women’s reproductive rights and enshrining hate language into state constitutions barring gays from marriage. And then let’s not forget the despicable decimation of workers’ rights and pissing all over voting rights that the Koch Brothers are orchestrating.
No. Sorry. Not the least bit interested in having any kind of courteous conversation with anyone who supports a political party that’s doing so much damage.
Be my guest, call me a partisan asshole. I’ll wear the badge proudly.
Actually, I’m right almost all the time. And believe it or not, people occasionally tell me I’ve made good points and/or send me PM’s to the effect that even though they’re on the opposite side from me politically, they agree with my stance on a particular issue or they admire the fact that I’m willing to hold my ground in spite of the shitstorm my opponents throw my way.
Right. Instead they favor social programs that penalize accomplishment and promote class envy. They favor lenient revolving-door prison systems that keep turning hardened criminals loose to prey on society yet again. The favor the breakdown of marriage and create an entire underclass of kids growing up without proper guidance who are almost certain to be doomed to lives of crime and/or underprivilige. They favor educational systems dumbed down to make things "fair’ for urban kids, or favor idiotic practices like passing kids from grade to grade even though they haven’t learned the subjects because to fail them would make them “feel bad about themselves”. :rolleyes:
Liberal “reason and logic” has damn near ruined this country, and the prolems they have caused have literally resulted in millions of deaths and ruined lives that would not have been lost or ruined in a more disciplined and adult society.
So give me a break and don’t even begin to try to tell me that liberalism is the bastion of reason and logic. I nearly spewed all over my keyboard when I read it the first time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I’ve heard all this from you more times than I can count. And more times than I can count I’ve challenged you to cite instances of my dishonesty and time and again you come up holding an empty sack. (And speaking of dishonesty, I don’t believe you can cite one single time when I’ve said that people insulting me alone are only doing so because of an anti-conservative bent.) As far as my alleged stupidity, you and I both know, whether you want to admit it or not, that I am not in fact a stupid person. So your silly attempt at schoolyard taunts simply falls on deaf ears.
I will admit that my posting style is not one that most intelligent, considered types of people would be willing to engage in, but people like that don’t last long around here to begin with. The nature of this board’s posters when it comes to politics make that a losing proposition. So I simply give as good as I get and let the chips fall where they may. I would prefer a more civilized discussion with a certain amount of give and take, but that’s simply impossible on this board. But we’ve been through all this over and over again and I’m not telling you anything you haven’t heard before, so you can give it a rest. You aren’t scoring any painful strikes on me, I assure you.
And now, lest I be accused of turning this thread into “The Starving Artist Show” yet again, which seems to be a popular game to play here these days, I’m going to bow out for now and let the focus return to the partisanship of Lonesome Polecat, which is apparently considered more egregious than the partisanship of posters such as yourself.
And this from a poster who once called me “one of the good guys”. Of course that was before I got fed up with the nature of political postings on this board and decided to start giving as good as I got. Trust me, for everything you find offenstive about my posting style, the overall political posting style of this board is twenty times more offensive to me.
You do realize that’s how some of the Republicans talk about what they’ve been doing? Including talking about “shooting the hostage”, aka causing a default on purpose.
And thus we have the problem. There are people here that steadfastly refuse to make such a differentiation. In the past I have been victimized by this, and that’s perhaps the major reason why I don’t engage in political debate like I used to. It’s not like anything’s changed, I still enjoy political discussions, I have a degree in Political Science, for Pete’s sake.
But what I don’t like is when my thoughts are casually, or even viciously, dismissed as Republican talking points and the like. People who have been here for a long time really ought to know better, but it doesn’t stop it from happening. There’s nothing enjoyable about being smacked around for having the unmitigated gall to suggest something different. So I don’t bother anymore. Occasionally I can’t resist, and POW!, there it is. And it’s not even about winning or losing, if I’m wrong I’m wrong. But that does not require the respondent to be a jerk about it.
Oh, come on, there’s so much more to it than that. There’s the incredible long-windedness, the blaming liberals for everything bad since the 1960s, the thread-hijacking, the use of anecdotes in the place of actual cites, the detailed explanations of what real-life event is compelling him to leave the discussion, the five or so posts after that explanation, etc.
Although, before the post above, I have to say that I’ve never noticed “the lurkers agree with me in email” as one of his tricks.
Yep. I used to think you were a decent person. I even defended you against the people attacking you just for being conservative. And what did I get for my efforts? This:
You started treating me, after I’d made every effort to be friendly to you, exactly the way assholes like Elv1sLives were treating you. And when I protested about it, you shifted the blame to other people. It’s not your fault you treat people who’ve tried to be friendly to you like shit. You were forced to by those evil liberals!
And then you have the gall to go on and claim to be a member of the party of personal responsibility.
This is why you’re a shitty person. As useless as he is as a poster, at least El1vs never pretended to be friendly to any of the people he attacked.
I don’t trust you. At all. The bit about all the PMs you get from people who think you’ve made good points? They don’t exist. You are lying about getting those PMs.
Starving Artist:
If you think everyone around is an asshole, chances are they’re not: you are. If everyone tells you you’re an asshole, chances are, they’re right.
As for your comment about discussion being impossible for this board, it is only impossible for you. I don’t consider myself all that far to the left, and I still find you one of the most whining and unpleasant individuals on this site. You rarely actually debate, you simply make an often deliberately inflammatory claim, rarely backing it up, and when people argue with you about it, and call you an idiot, you whine. You say how it shows bias, how your a victim. You find it terrible how you and conservatives (supposedly) get insulted here? You hate hearing the insults? You think that nobody listens to you? I have a solution that will please everyone: LEAVE! Just fucking leave. Nobody wants to hear your shit.
Citation needed. You mean like Health Care (which encourages social promotion and keeps people from completely falling off the map if they get sick/injured), Welfare/Food Stamps (which is lower than almost any other civilized country in the world by a significant margin and exists to ensure that the poor don’t die), and Education? Yes, ensuring that the poor have an existence and trying to close the gap between the ultra-rich and the destitute penalizes accomplishment and promotes class envy. :rolleyes:
Citation needed. You mean abolishing the death penalty, a form of government-sanctioned murder which is not only more expensive than lifetime imprisonment in 99% of all cases, but also has a track record of killing more than a few innocent people? You mean getting rid of prisons like Guantanamo that are in direct violation of Habeas Corpus by locking people up with no good reason?
Citation needed. You mean by extending marriage rights to more people, and trying to ensure that, regardless of your race, age, or sexuality, you have the same rights as everyone else? You mean trying to help kids by bolstering education? You mean trying to ensure that kids who end up in orphanages can get put into homes where they will be treated well instead of keeping them there due to unjust and unfounded prejudices towards certain lifestyles or sexual orientations?
Citation needed. You mean going against “No child left behind”, a patently idiotic system that encourages schools to pass children, regardless of whether or not they are ready, because otherwise funding will be cut in a system already strapped for cash? You mean ensuring that real science is taught in schools? You mean promoting higher education?
Hey buddy, newsflash for ya:
CITATION FUCKING NEEDED!
Here’s the thing, though: I didn’t say that, in case you aren’t paying attention. I said that they aren’t usually conservatives. Or, to clarify what I mean by that, they aren’t usually republicans. Regardless of how bad the liberals have been, have you seen the shit these guys have been doing?! Going from a record surplus (that is, any at all) under a tax-and-spend liberal democrat directly to a record deficit (while claiming “deficits don’t matter”) under Bush, then turning right around when Obama came around and blaming him, while all the while torpedoing bills that would lower the deficit and fix broken government institutions, and also ignoring the fact that he chopped $122,000,000,000 off of the federal deficit in his first fiscal year in office. Then they went and trashed our credit rating by almost refusing (for no good reason) to pay our fucking bills!
I never claimed that liberals were way better (okay, now I might’ve), I simply said that the republicans are not acting reasonably.
That’s quite the wide brush you have there - all folks that have a conservative outlook on something must have a poor grasp of the facts, reason and logic? Or just conservatives opinions on certain subjects?
All members of the Republican party are evil? None ever have any good ideas or conversely, no Democrats have ever been complete idiots? Gosh, it must be so easy for you to vote.
I would encourage the unbiased reader to look at post #10 to this thread, in which I merely pointed to a few of the board’s well-known partisan lefties and questioned why Lonesome Polecat was being singled out for a Pitting. Following that relatively benign and factually accurate post, gratuitous and totally unprovoked swipes were directed at me by the following posters:
SenorBeef
Miller
mhendo
Euphonious Polemic
Giraffe
waterj2
This is quite typical. It’s also typical that when I respond to these types of unprovked attacks, I get accused of turning threads into the “Starving Artist Show”. Don’t fall for it.
