Nope. No lie. I even rephrased that sentence to make it more difficult to faux-parse without making it obvious. Should have known that wouldn’t stop you, of course.
And here’s a little heads-up for you: The great thing about telling the truth is that it lets you off the hook as to whether anyone believes it. The onus is on me to be truthful, and once that obligation has been fulfilled I can wash my hands of it, not caring at all whether someone like you believes it or not.
You have a long history of fondness for calling me dishonest, yet unsurprisingly you can never come up with an example. Same thing here. You can’t possibly know that I’m lying about this, so you’re posting only in the hopes that other people will believe you without any evidence whatsoever that you are right, or you are doing it just to try to put me on the defensive and/or piss me off. You’ve clearly failed at the latter, so better luck with the former. As for me, you should know by now that I don’t particularly care. I know what was in my mind and that’s all I need to know. Whether you or anyone else believes it really isn’t my concern.
I’ve made very clear, on multiple occasions, exactly why i believe that you are a dishonest debater. The fact that you are too dishonest to recognize this doesn’t change the fact.
That has been clear all along. It’s one of the few things that can explain your perennial dishonesty.
I realize that what i say doesn’t piss you off. To be offended, you’d have to actually care about whether or not you are an honest person.
Crap. People will keep quoting him, and not even spoilering it.
Well, I’ve got Firefox now. Can somebody direct me to the utility that has been spoken of in the past; the one that extends the “ignore” feature to also work on quoted fragments, or something like that. I’d like to take it for a test drive; see if it unduly interferes with my enjoyment of the board.
I find it endlessly amusing that in all the years I’ve been here, and after all the lengthy arguments over everything from Iraq, GWB, tax cuts, elections, etc., it’s only after I start laying the blame for all the ways you people have fucked up this country at your feet - including roughly a jillion lives lost and/or fucked up since you’re values became the dominant ones in American life - and this only after the meme began to take hold around here that Republicans had to be “eeevil” to become Republicans in the first place, that all of a sudden every thread I’m in allegedly becomes hijacked and turned into the Starving Artist Show and my posts and posting style suddenly becomes outrageous and unbearable as judged by the noble ignorance fighters of the Straight Dope, and efforts begin in earnest to drive me off. What an amusingly thin-skinned lot you are!
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I post the way I do in order to provide a conservative counterpoint to the way the majority of this board’s posters post both about conservatives and the way they post toward me. In the early days of my posting here, I tried to be reasonable and polite and argue my case in a polite way, and I got nothing but piled upon and insulted for my trouble. So I simply decided to start giving as good as I get and here we are. If you people are so desirous that I either change my posting style (which I’m agreeable to doing) or “just leave” (which I’m not) then I would suggest that you mount an effort to change the nature of the way this board’s liberal posters behave. I will be perfectly happy to post in a polite and inoffensive style as long as the people I’m interacting with behave the same way. But if you think I should toe the “Mr. Manners” line while you people spout every vile and ridiculous accusation possible about me and mine, then you’re going to be sorely disappointed. So you’ve got three choices: set about getting the board to behave in the same way you want me to behave, ignore my posts, or continue to put up with me posting the way I do.
I think that a reasonable, intelligent and adult position to take. Don’t you? If not, I’d really like to hear your argument as to why I should be polite and reasonable while you guys get to behave as insultingly and outrageously as you like.
Then why is it that the board is full of people who post just the same way I do (or worse, I’m really not all that impolite or given to name-calling…at least not to the same degree as many of my opponents) only in favor of liberals and against conservatives, and none of you people who are complaining about me have ever seemed to find their style in the least bit offensive. The fact is I could be posting exactly as I do only with conservatives as the target and I’d be a hero around here.
But all that’s beside the point. As I said to EP just above, get the board to start behaving in a responsible, polite and reasonable way and I will be more than happy to get on board. If not, I’d like to hear your argument too as to why I should be polite and reasonable when everybody else gets to act like a dick.
Can you point us to a thread where you were courteous and rational (back in your early days of posting here) and were dumped upon simply because you were a conservative?
I don’t know but I doubt it, given the limitations of the board’s search engine which only goes back 750 posts or so. There have been times when I’ve tried to find one or another of my early posts or discussions and was unable to find them.
But during my first two or three years on the board it wasn’t at all unusual for someone to compliment me publicly (as opposed to by PM) for the politeness of my style, particularly in the face of the abuse I was coming in for at the time, which almost always the result of my having posted a conservative sentiment of some sort and with pile-ons being routine. And I was friendly during that time with a few of the board’s more liberal posters who recognized that I was sincere in my beliefs and was only trying to present an alternative view, a view which they said was both wanted and needed around here. Unfortunately all these former friends, save Zoe, have become annoyed by and taken offense at my generalizations of liberals and as a result are no longer friendly. Most have moved on and no longer participate here anyway. Still, it’s true that my natural style is to be polite and resonable and I would be extremely happy, to say the least, to see that type of posting become the norm around here.
Except, ironically, SA himself, who jumped into this thread to defend a conservative. And into Susann’s pitting. And the pittings of two now-banned birthers whose names I can’t be arsed to look up. And…
See, now here we have a perfect example of the kind of crap I get routinely accused of which isn’t so. What I did inb the Susanann pitting was point out that the OP was, uh, incorrect, shall we say, in her portrayal of something that Susanann said. I didn’t know anything about Susanann herself at the time and still don’t know much about her now. But challenging an inaccurate statement made about her, ironically here on a board supposedly devoted to fighting ignorance, has typically been interpreted as a defense of the poster involved rather than a challenge to an inaccurate statement. I suppose you think everyone should keep quiet in the face of inaccurate statements as long as a conservative is the target, but clearly this is an attitude that would be difficult to defend. Perhaps you’d like to try?
With regard to the two now-banned “birthers”, it’s the same thing. I wasn’t defending the posters, I was simply explaining how everyday people might legitimately have questions about the issue. Once again, it seems the de riguer liberal attitude is that one shouldn’t challenge an erroneous issue as long as it’s being used to tarpaper some conservative. Can you offer any explanation as to why this is an admirable practice?
See? Here’s an example of the very assholism I’ve been talking about. I make a perfectly calm and reasonable comment to the effect that I’ve had trouble with searches in the past, and instead of posting helpful information on doing a search, mhendo has to toss in his little bon mot of assholism just to make sure not to let an opportunity to insult me go by unanswered. And yet I’ll wager that 9 out of 10 posters who read his post will be of the opinion that between the two of us, I’m the asshole. :rolleyes:
Heh, at first read I thought mhendo’s comment was on the (imposed?) limitations of the board, but on second read I can see what you mean.
Personally, I just can’t stand empty claims of victimhood. Some members of your ethnic/racial/political group are going to have to be killed, unjustly imprisoned or unjustly disenfranchised for me to take you seriously. Conservatives ain’t nearly there yet.
Whoa there, big fella. You DON’T actually have to be polite and reasonable. I don’t think anyone is seriously contending that, and I certainly don’t much care if you do. The only issue that you really need to recognize is that in several years and hundreds of thousands of repetitive words expended on this board, your sole significant accomplishment is to have made a bunch of strangers, pretty much across the political spectrum, think you are one of the most obnoxious people they’ve ever heard of.
What some people, I agree, are telling you is that (check the title of the thread you are posting in) you are generally considered a partisan asshole. It really doesn’t much matter for which particular ideology you choose to be an asshole: you routinely make bad, unsupported, fact-free arguments, presented badly. The tired canard that you are singled out for your conservatism is not supported by known facts. Is Der Trihs a conservative? Was Commissar a conservative? Is Elvis L1ves a conservative? How about blindboyard? All of these people have been objected to in this thread or others for their partisan or generally obnoxious behavior, by numerous posters who consider themselves liberals. Your crappy argument simply doesn’t hold water. Please find another.
Actually, i posted helpful information on doing a search and i insulted you. I can walk and chew gum at the same time.
My insulting comment was not, however, merely gratuitous. It emerged from a long history of encounters with you, in which you manage to find all sorts of excuses not to pony up evidence for your variously wild, unlikely, and flat-out retarded claims. Hell, some time back, when i asked you to provide evidence for a factual assertion, you refused to do so unless i promised to pay you money. Of course, in plenty of cases, you just ignore requests for evidence and move on. It’s that sort of unwillingness to follow the etiquette of rational and reasonable debate that makes you such a laughing stock around here.
As for being an asshole to you, i’ve already made quite clear that i’m guilty as charged. I’ve said on multiple occasions that you’re not worth engaging in rational discussion, so i might as well prod you when the opportunity arises in the Pit.
