The GOP makes more sense if you understand cluster B personality disorders.
What they’re doing now is called gaslighting. Trying to lie to people to get them to deny reality so they can avoid responsibility for their crimes and evil behavior.
Basically assume the GOP ‘suffer’ from an institutional cluster B personality disorder (narcissism & antisocial personality disorder for example) and engage in a lot of the symptoms (DARVO, gaslighting, playing permanent victim, lying constantly, projection, denying all responsibility, word salads, hypocrisy, name calling, smear campaigns, etc the list goes on) and assume they’re a white nationalist plutocratic party that rejects democracy, and their behavior stops being unexpected or surprising.
A couple of years ago, I was a tourist in the US Capitol Building. The day appeared to be a normal day. Rep. Clyde, who maybe has never been a tourist in the Capitol, needs to know a few things.
One does not merely “show up” and enter the Capitol. Entrance for the hoi polloi is through the Capitol Vistors’ Center. One must then get a ticket to join a guided tour. Alternatively, one can obtain a ticket from your Senator or Representative. For our trip, we contacted our Congressman Mike McCaul’s office and requested a tour. However, when we arrived, the guides were not busy and we joined a regular tour, not one led by some flunky from McCaul’s office. (I’m not a McCaul fan, but he is my Congressman, despite my best efforts.)
Members of the public do not wander the Capitol unescorted. You must stay with a guided tour or be escorted by a congressional staffer.
So, people pouring through the doors, even if they are not doing any particular damage while doing so, is not a normal tourist visit.
Just to reiterate, I’m not denying or arguing with the animation. I’m simply saying, as someone with no concept of the layout of the area, it would be nice to see a similar animation on a ‘normal’ (or normal tourist) day for comparison.
Look at it like this. Let’s say you’re present you with a graph of how many hours of TV people in the US watched, per day, during the past 15 months. That graph and that average, would, to most people, appear very high. But for it to mean anything, you’d have to compare it to, say, the 15 months before the lockdowns started.
Like this, sure, I see 100’s of people marching to the capitol. But what is it like on a normal day. 3 people? 50? 100? IMO, drawing a conclusion from a single data point (that graph), may very well be the correct conclusion, but it’s still speculation.
I suppose what I/we should consider that animation meant to say ‘look at this’ rather than something to be considered as evidence of anything.
As an interesting side note, from what I’m reading, all those dots aren’t just random cellphones. They’re people cell phones with the Parler app installed. And, from what I can tell, it seems the data was pulled by a random person (referred to as a hacker) who noticed all the Parler data had GPS coordinates and collected as much of it as she could.
I’m a Programmer GIS data analyst. I understand your desire for more data. But, in this case, you do not need to compare to a regular tourist day in DC. Well sure, you can. But you will not find hundreds and hundreds of people from a central rallying point (Trumps rallying point) proceed directly to the capitol.
You say you looked at my link tracking the mob. That was not a boy scout troop, and not something you would see on any normal day. But your welcome to try to compare it to a normal day.
What would a “normal tourist day” be? The Capitol has been closed to the public since, I believe, March 2020. Similar cell phone tracking prior to the insurrection shouldn’t show anyone inside the Capitol, unless you go back to winter 2020.
The mob from Trumps rally descended on the capitol. They went there taking two different streets, probably because one became to crowded. But that’s where 100’s and 100’s went. Directly to the Capitol after the rally. No data of normal foot traffic is going to show the same thing. Well, until the next insurrection I suppose.
A normal day would be what you see everywhere there weren’t thousands of people moving from one concentrated location to another concentrated location.
I mean, what do you expect to see? Why do you think it would be relevant to see the same place without the thousands of angry Trumpists? What are you curious about?
And another A parade is not ‘normal’ data to compare to unless you compare to other parades.
An Insurrection is not normal unless you compare to other insurrections. Luckily, we have not had to normalize data for insurrections to be able to compare them.
A parade, an insurrection or normal every day foot traffic is not going to compare. There is no reason to compare data because there is no data to compare.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure he knows that. That’s why he’s asking to see what a normal day looks like.
And saying “it just doesn’t compare” is, of course, wrong. I don’t know why people always say that, when what they mean is that two things do compare. Saying “this thing is 100 times as great as that thing” is a comparison. So is “this thing is 1000 times as great as that thing”, or “this thing is 10 times as great as that thing”. So, which of those comparisons is it?
But what would it look like, that’s literally all I’m asking. I have no idea why everyone is making a big thing out of it.
I assume you didn’t read that part post, which you quoted, where I said, explicitly:
I’m not sure what you’re getting at here since none of that is what I was asking about. We have that animation from January 6. I’m simply curious, with no ulterior motive, what a similar animation would look like on a normal day. Not a parade, not a different insurrection, just a regular day.
Why? Why exactly would you post that? How does that answer anything I asked about? How does doing that add to the conversation?
Thank you. It’s like back on 9/11 when they said that all the planes were grounded other than some very small amount. But, when asked how many planes were in the sky on a normal day the answer wasn’t ‘why would you ask that’ or ‘this isn’t a normal day’ or ‘you can’t compare today to a normal day’. No, they said ‘on a normal day there’s typically X planes in the air at any given time’.
Not even a little bit. In fact, I posted at least 6 times saying the opposite. I’m not Tucker Carlson “just asking questions”. Truly just curious what a similar animation would look like on a normal day. I thought I made it pretty clear that I wasn’t defending, denying or arguing with what it showed.
Given that a similar animation of a normal day in DC likely doesn’t exist (at least not available to the public), I’m not going to go looking for it and I wasn’t asking anyone else to look for one either. It was meant to be a one off comment that I wasn’t expecting to have to defend.
So what exactly was wrong with the video I linked to showing what it was like on a normal day of touring Congress? Please describe exactly what it is you are looking to see.
I thought I was pretty explicit in what I’d like to see. The video you provided shows people touring the Capitol building. The video that sparked all this was an animation of cell phone data of people in the area marching towards it. How is that the same?
It would be like if I showed you the MPLS riots that resulted in the police station burning down and when asked for video of the same area on a normal day, I gave you a video of a tour group going through the MPLS police station.
I said " I’d be curious to see what an actual ‘normal day’ looks like that when plotted out in a similar manner", you responded with a video that was entirely unrelated.
A parade is not ‘normal’ data to compare to unless you compare to other parades.