Now I gotta know. anyrose did you get the job after your PHB quit/got fired?
Well, congrats Maureen. You have fired your flaky co-worker. Her problems have now become matters of putting food on the table and so forth instead of messing with your department. You have the consolation of knowing that no matter how flaky and bad she was to your cow-orkers, what you’ve done to her is many orders of magnitude worse than anything she has done. I’m not saying you weren’t justified in doing it, I’m just saying … you win. You hurt her bad. Lucky you.
Congratulations, Evil Captor, you’re a huge dick.
It’s painfully clear that Maureen was unhappy about having to do this, and in fact put it off a lot longer than was healthy for anybody involved, including Joan. Sometimes we have to do unpleasant things that we don’t enjoy at all, and that last thing someone in that position needs is for some asshole to come along and scrape the sore point raw.
Seriously, the time you spent typing that could have been better spent hijacking another CS thread with yet another irrelevant post about bondage, as worthless as that might be.
This is the PIt, right?
EC asshole. Go away.
(Waves itsy-bisty American flag disconsolately.) Huzzah. Maureen wins.
My gosh, you are a slmeball. Hozabout you go fuck yourself, and we’ll all wave little flaggies for you. Prick.
Check: we’re in the pit
EC stop being a jerk.
Jim
What the heck is your problem? Do you think Joan should have been kept on?
… Because, after all, a job is an entitlement. Performance means nothing. We have a right to a job and a paycheck. And if we’re bosses, we’re honor-bound to remember that our subordinates’ right to a paycheck trumps productivity and the bottom line. Because businesses aren’t in business to make money or provide services or goods - they merely exist to put food on the table.
:rolleyes:
Evil Captor, I’m not sure I take your point. I’m a strong proponent of people learning from the consequences of their actions, and getting fired should be such an occasion. Would you prefer that callous, selfish, manipulative and deceitful behavior simply be tolerated because it wouldn’t be nice? Should people be allowed to behave in any manner possible because to respond appropriately would put a damper on their livelihood?
The joy that people feel in this circumstance is an extension of their desire to believe in a just world where bad people see some consequence for their behavior. Unfortunately, the “just world hypothesis” routinely meets up with disconfirmatory observations. We turn to Hollywood and to anecdotes like this to allow us to have hope. So take your wet blanket and wrap it around poor Joan’s shoulders. I’m sure if you can find a job for her working with you, all will be well.
Read my first post. Did I not say “I’m not saying you weren’t justified in doing it.”? I consider the events chronicled here a tragedy with a bad outcome, not something to be celebrating. I consider the outcome to have been bad for both Maureen and Flakycow-orker.
As I said (dispiritedly) Huzzah.
…because it wouldn’t be nice to respond with some measured consequences?
Evil Captor, do you lack all forms of reading comprehension? The woman’s actions led to her firing. Maureen had more patience than I would have in the same situation. If she would have stayed on, there was a possibility that morale would drop, clients would become disgruntled, and everyone would get canned. If you want to put it into win/lose terms, that would have been the win for the psycho hose beast.
Dickhead.
Nonsense. Maureen did not hurt her. She hurt herself. Why do we refuse to make people responsible for their actions? Check that. I don’t refuse to. You seem to want to. As I have said before, Maureen has a responsibility to her team and her company to employ the right people for the job, to make sure that the job is done well. Had the woman done her job well she would not be in this situation. Had she responded to corrective action, she would not be in this situation. You seem to have missed the part where she has been a problem in multiple departments.
Pfaw! It isn’t about winning or losing. It is about business.
Pfaw again! Hundreds (or thousands depending on the size of the company) of peole have to rely on that business doing well to put food on *their *tables. It is Maureen’s job as a leader to make sure that business continues to run well so that the rest can eat. This isn’t about being lucky or winning, it is about taking responsibility. It is not pleasant to have to fire someone. I know I have had to do it. It would be nice if they all worked out well. But when they don’t, they are responsible for their actions. Don’t try to blame a manager for someone else’ performance problems.
You are incorrect. I found it to be quite interesting. Something in us all loves to point and laugh at the shenanigans of PHB coworkers, especially those who try to file obviously fake workers’ comp cases.
Oh, and Evil Captor, get bent. Stop trying to bait people.
Adam
Strange synergy here Maureen; right on the Scientific America front web page: the Flying Spaghetti monster.
http://blog.sciam.com/index.php?title=the_flying_spaghetti_monster_and_i&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
I’m sorry, I’m going to need some clarification here. It seems you are suggesting that it’s Maureen’s responsibility to keep Joan fed. That Joan has no responsibility to do her job in a professional and competent manner. That apparently, no matter what Joan does, she should not be fired, since it would make her life difficult.
Have I got the gist of your argument there? Have I understood it quite clearly?
Maureen did nothing to Joan. Joan did it to herself. She had many, many chances to improve but instead appeared to sink to a new low each and every time. She was fired soley due to her own actions and her actions only. Hopefully in time she will see this and will be able to learn from her mistakes in her next employment. Evil Captor, Maureen is not the cause of Joan’s prolems. Joan and Joan alone is the cause of her problems. Can you understand that?
Have I posted way later than I should have?
Weasel! Sorry EC, you tried to put a blame-back on Maureen with that magnitude statement.
Joan fired herself. Her problems of putting food on the table are hers. She has been playing the system for years and it finally caught up with her. They waited too long as it was - what if she had lost a major account for the company? Could others have lost their jobs because of her idiocy? Should they have had to wait until that happened? Or did they have a responsibility to act in the best interests of the company, or, to quote biz-ed learning “to act in a way that maximizes shareholder value.”
She was there for 12 years in an at will company. She could have found another job, and, probably will. 12 years on paper will look good, and the firing can be blamed away (I bet most of the people here have been fired at one point or another and are currently working…it’s not the end of the world, ya know).
When someone treats you poorly, and then they get their ‘just desserts’, it is OK to feel elated. Quit being a jerk.
-Tcat