Considering the lengths he’s gone to to protect the children he might come into contact with, I’m satisfied that he’s not an immediate danger and that he has a history of making ethical choices.
Would I have him supervise a child? Absolutely not. That would be both cruel and foolish. I would still be his friend. I would not indulge his orientation, but I would not punish him for it either.
This guy has saved my life, according to your prompt. He’s been nothing but a loyal and deserving friend.
He’s aware of his demons and does everything that he possibly can to protect children from himself.
If anything, I’d admire him more so now for having the strength and courage to see a therapist and talk about his problems. He has urges that he knows are wrong and that he can’t explain and rails against them. He’s a classic protagonist that could be taken from any number of works of fiction.
Once he comes anywhere CLOSE to crossing that line, or even considering it, he’s officially scum. But he’s fighting it with all he’s got, based on your prompt. I’d remain friends with him.
That’s not pedophilia. Attraction to sexually developed teenagers is normal. We’re not talking about that. We’re talking about pedophilia, which is defined as attractiion to prepubescent children.
Shouldn’t being able to trust somebody not to rape your children be a first tier criterion for friendship? Sorry, but I’m not capable of feeling sympathy for someone who deribes sexual gratification from the thought harming my children.
I don’t believe that for a second. They may not want to suffer the consequences, but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t really want to do it if they could get away with it.
There again, that’s about not wanting to suffer the consequences, and not wanting to hurt my family. If circumstances were different, I would have no qualms about hitting that for real.
There may be some pedophiles who really wouldn’t do anything for real, even if thy could be guarantee no consequences, but I’m not going to take their word for it. Just like you assume that all guns are loaded, you have to assume that all confessed pedophiles are dangerous to children.
Are people here advocating the prosecution of, as the OP put it, thoughtcrime? The punishment of people based on what they’re thinking? There’s a reason the system was flawed in Minority Report!
Nope. I don’t believe anybody in this thread has advocated that this hypothetical person should be prosecuted for anything. Not even me. I just wouldn’t be his friend anymore, that’s all.
I agree. They are equally messed up. Which is to say, not that messed up at all as long as they don’t act on it. We can’t help what turns us on. But if we keep it in the realm of fantasy or role playing and don’t go around creating sex zombies, then why is that messed up?
No, I wouldn’t let him be alone with my children. But again, he wouldn’t want to be alone with my children, as said in the OP, and that directly goes to why I would be willing to be friends with him.
How is it NOT messed up? They derive sexual pleasure from the idea of hurting other people. Whether they do it ir not, that shows a disordered and dangerous psychology. There’s nothing sexy about hurting people.
Once again, I would say that the ability to trust a person not to rape your children should be a fairly essential criterion for friendship. If it’s not to you, then it’s not to you. It is to me, and this thread was soliciting opinions. I’m not telling anybody else how they would have to react, but I’ve got three young daughters. I’m not going to hang out with any pedophiles.
Because in most cases they don’t actually want to hurt a person–it’s more the idea of it. It’s like a game. We don’t think that someone’s dangerous for enjoying the idea of murdering their Sims or killing hookers in Grand Theft Auto or liking Hostel. It’s just like playing.
That’s consensual. We’re not talking about consensual acts. Simulated violence, rough sex, B&D – I don’t have an issue with any of that. I don’t care what consenting adults do, but both of those criteria have to be operative. They have to be adults, and they have to be consenting. My issue is with people wanting to do things to people against their will.
In most cases I’d agree with you. If it was just a buddy I had who turned out to be a pedo, I’d likely, if not almost certainly phase him out. But according to the prompt, this guy has literally, at direct physical risk to himself, saved my life. That combined with his unwillingness to be alone with children tips it over for me. I might not ever look at him the same way again, but I couldn’t just drop him like that.
And I’m not telling you how you’ve got to react, either. My “OK, cool” earlier wasn’t sarcastic. I’m perfectly satisfied with you not wanting to have any more contact with him, ever, as long as you weren’t advocating the persecution of thoughtcrime, which I discovered you weren’t after you clarified.
I don’t understand this at all. How could the idea of physically hurting somebody against their will be erotic? What does that say about how an individual views other people?