Would you trust a recovering alcoholic to tend bar? Of course not. But that’s not a moral judgment, it’s a practical one. Besides, if he was my friend there’s no way he would agree to be alone with my kids, anyway.
As far as my kids were concerned, he’d be that one friend of Dad’s who they hardly ever met.
Addiction is a physiological disease. Pedophilia is psychological pathology. They are not comparable.
I just don’t understand why anyone would want to be friends with someone you admittedly can’t trust not to rape your kids. What the hell?
Extending this, you are saying anybody who has ever has a fantasy involving non consensual sex with X therefore “wants to rape X”, and by definition unhealthy, and should never be trusted, and is a slimeball.
That is correct. I want nothing to do with slimeballs who fantasize about raping people. That’s not healthy. It’s not ok. It’s not somebody who can be trusted.
But, imagine for a moment, the possibility that he does not want to do that act. It is entirely possible that he is repelled by the idea of that act in real life, much like women who enjoy rape fantasy are repelled by the idea of rape in real life, despite finding it quite compelling in fantasy.
Now, maybe this is a risk you are not willing to take. Indeed, the way he avoids kids does kind of point to the idea that his fantasies do extend to real life children. But I think it’s reasonable to say that there are some- maybe it’s a small percentage- of people who enjoy underage fantasy and have no interest at all in real-life children.
I wonder, Dio, does it give you pause at all to be making such a brazenly emotive, anti-logical argument? Had you even realized it?
Would you trust anyone who admits to having fantasies about raping children to be alone with your own children?
Fantasies about rape, from both men and women, are shockingly common. Unless you live alone in a cabin somewhere, I guarantee you have plenty to do with slimeballs who fantasize about rape.
What’s “anti-logical” about it. People who fantasize about raping people want to rape people. It’s the same thing. 2=2. What’s the flaw?
Women fantasize about raping people? Cite?
I know that an uncomfortable number of males do, but all my life, I have always immediately severed any personal connection to any male who has confessed such desires or fantasies to me or in my presence.
The Navy was particularly rife with these guys, for whatever reason.
There are logical flaws with your position, but the point is that they’re irrelevant because you’re making an emotive appeal, not a logical one. Quite obviously, your position is based on a gut hatred for pedophiles, and your attempts at persuasion consist almost entirely of appeals to our sense of fear and repulsion. This is valid, as far as it goes, but it’s a kind of thought process which tends to have bad consequences, in m opinion.
I admit to a gut repulsion to pedophiles, but it’s also completely rational to conclude that they are a danger to my children. That’s not crazy or illogical. It would be irresponsible not to operate on that assumption. I’m guessing that you would never leave a confessed pedophile alone with your own kids either, no matter how much they assured they’d never do it for real.
These are fantasies about being raped, not committing rape. There’s a pretty huge distinction there. I would contend that these kinds of fantasies aren’t even really about being raped since, by definition, if they want it then it isn’t non-consensual.
Since Al already refuses to babysit, or even give car rides to, his own nieces & nephews, there’s no doubt about that.
No photos at all? Or merely no pornographic photos? Because it’s highly unlikely that a Net-dwelling pedophile would not maintain some kind of photo collection, even if they’re all of the modeling variety.
Absent that evidence, I’d likely conclude that Al’s interest in lolicon and Nifty Stories was merely for the “squick” factor, and his pedo confession was coerced.
In any case, I believe you would say it’s not healthy, and as such, according to many polls, 30% of women are sick for this alone.
How about this scenario: lets say you have a very attractive, fully developed 16 year old daughter. Now, something tells me you might claim you have never found any girl under 18 sexually attractive in all your adult life, but if so, that would put you in very, very extreme minority.
Now, of course, any adult who acts on this attraction is despicable for numerous obvious reasons. That’s why 99.9% of them don’t. But according to your logic, if an adult found your 16 year old daughter sexually attractive, he therefore wants to rape her. If you have a daughter, I do hope for your sake she grows up ugly, because otherwise by your own rules, you will have to ditch the vast majority of your male friends.
I would remain his friend, but, our friendship would change
because I would be watching him.
But that’s an entirely different question. There are perfectly good practical reasons for not leaving your children in the care of a pedophile – the obvious ones, as well as the awkwardness and frustration on his part even if you did trust his ability to restrain himself – but there aren’t any good reasons to hate them or to cut them off from your sympathy merely because of their unbidden, unrealized thoughts and fantasies.
But that’s the thing, they DON’T want it in real life, but they can still fantasize about this thing they don’t actually want to happen, just as you can fantasize about other women without actually wanting to cheat on your wife, just as a pedophile can fantasize about children without actually wanting to have sex with them in real life.
Women also fantasize about the role of the rapist. For example, written pornography on this subject, even that written by women, nearly always comes from the POV of the rapist. In my experience, some of the most out-there material is written by women.
Sexuality is a strange thing.