Your gender identification -or- What are you, a boy or a girl?

Wife was the queen of factoids, some of which she made up, like Cynthia Lennon and her mum wrote the early Lennon and McCartney songs.

How you prefer to be identified, if you prefer anything. Mostly issues about pronouns.

Making you an “it.” Gotcha.

You don’t get to use that word!

We prefer the term ‘legal person’

Is that fallout from Citizens United?

That’s our civil rights act you’re talking about.

Although since my speech equals money, I’ll need buy-in from my CFO to continue this conversation.

Well, at least now we kinda know who’s on first…one, or both, of you? :confused:

As for me, it’s right there in my user name.

Are you implying something about Jenna Coleman?

The username isn’t OldGal.

If I have ever led anyone here to think that I am anything other that a rather short, chunky middle aged man with rapidly thinning grey hair, I apologize

Back in the 60s and 70s, the answer to the question “Are you a boy or a girl?” was often “Why don’t you suck my dick and figure it out!”

Not picky about pronouns. Use whatever you’d like. They’re all wrong (or at least inadequate) and I’m not offended by any of them.

By “gender”, the people who care about “gender” mean exactly one thing: it’s a measurement of how much they currently enjoy being who they are. In fact, there are people who so much hate who they are that they decide to have parts of themselves cut off.

One of the reasons for the self-hate is what they’ve been taught about “right and wrong” behavior, by repressive parents and/or repressive social groups.

I’m a man who (though straight as far as I can tell) is fairly effeminate/gay-ish in a lot of surface ways - you know, soft facial features, loves Broadway, can be a drama… hmmm, drama queen isn’t the right word but you get the point. :slight_smile:

BUT, I’ve never been beat up or harshly criticized for it (was teased a little, sure, couldn’t escape that), never been seriously told there’s something wrong with being this way, never been persecuted as if I was gay, never got told “that kind of music isn’t for boys”, etc etc - but what if I had been? How different would I be? How much stupid teaching and how many bad examples does it take, to induce self-loathing in a person?

The idea that boys “acting all girly” (or feeling all girly) is somehow problematic, plus the reverse for girls, is not just one of the problems of gender politics and gender “identity” - it is the entirety of the topic. When “boy” doesn’t have to mean “acts a certain way and feels a certain way”, and “girl” doesn’t have to mean that either, then “gender” evaporates.

I’m a man, which is pretty lucky, since I would make a really frightening woman.

I have been known to spit the words “suck my dick!” In times of extreme anger… Despite not physically having one attached. MY dick happens to be attached to this handsome fellow right here…

I’m a woman who hates being called a girl.

I’m a XXer.

El kayaker.

Dear Mr and Mrs Ranger,

Please schedule an appointment to discuss little Jeffrey’s
behavior. The other Kindergartners are distressed by his
language.

Miss Janie

People who meet me in real life have no trouble putting me in the “correct” bin. Online I don’t care what people’s perception is, although people probably make the “correct” assumption here as well.

That’s what I would have thought. And fwiw, I think one of the reasons I am comfortable as a masculine woman is that no one criticized me for my lack of gender conformity as a child. (well, not my family, not my teachers, and to the extent some of my peers did, they weren’t clear enough on what made them uncomfortable with me to criticise me for it.)

But I am told that many people have a strong internal sense of gender identity, including some people who are very feminine women or uber-masculine men. So I think there’s something there that I’m just missing. (and perhaps you are, too.)