Your geographical misconceptions

If you’re using a plane, is any place an exclave?

I’d consider the Northwest Angle or Point Roberts to be exclaves. Also Province Point but it’s a miniscule uninhabited piece of land; more like a border typo than an exclave.

Yeah, after following the Google street view around KB, I am not really surprised. Still, I’ve been to a few geographic oddities and being a map nerd, the call is strong to visit it.

If you leave US territorial land/waters to get to it, I think it is. Not as cool an exclave Baarle-Nassau/Hertog, but still. Just my opinion.

I guess one does technically leave Washington State if one boats or flies to Point Roberts, and goes over US Federal waters, but that’s a special case to me. I got to Point Roberts the regular way, by driving thru Canada.

Thanks for saying that. I keep wanting to visit some of these oddities, and I’m kind of obsessed with Point Roberts. But you made me realize that once I was there on the ground, I’d look around and say “Ok, I got here, so what?”

@digs there’s a nice park and monument to visit at Point Roberts, my daughter and I had a lovely hike there, a great few hours.

Fascinating! Thanks for sharing that.

Tru dat, but what attachment does the rest of the state have to points east that have resulted in its being on Eastern time? Chicago’s closer to most of the state than Detroit is; it’s closer to all of the state than Cleveland and to most of the state than Columbus or Cincinnati.

You’d think they’d carve an enclave of Eastern time down near Cincinnati and Louisville, and the rest of it would be on Central, rather than two little enclaves of Central time, and the rest on Eastern.

Yeah, but almost all of it is directly south of Michigan which is all Eastern Time. Indiana’s mostly Eastern and south of that, Kentucky and Tennessee get split in half.

Solar-time-wise, another option would be to make all of Indiana Eastern Time, and split Michigan. But that’s only an issue if everyone really wants dawn, noon, or sunset at a specific time. In modern life, I’m not sure it really matters.

(Come to think of it, more than a few Chinese people deal with having one time zone…)

Point Roberts isn’t doing very well in covid-time:

A small part of Michigan (including Menominee, Iron Mountain and Ironwood) is not on Eastern Time. Only one tiny speck of Wisconsin borders on the Eastern Time Zone.

Where is that one tiny speck? I don’t see anywhere that WI land abuts the Eastern zone. Only on the water boundaries do they seem to meet. And on water, it’s a huge border.

According to this link, there are four counties in Michigan that are on Central Time: Dickinson, Gogebic, Iron and Menominee. These are the four counties that border Wisconsin. And that border appears to be somewhere between 150 and 200 miles in length.

I can’t tell if any part of Wisconsin actually borders the Eastern Time Zone, but on Google Maps, it certainly doesn’t appear to do so.

This map shows Eastern Time following the northwest shoreline of Yooperland right up to the WI border before it cuts north through the big lake.

Except for a chunk inside the Navajo nation that doesn’t observe DST (as noted in your map below).

Multiple sources state that all of Gogebic County, MI is in the Central Time Zone, so that boundary seems to be separating land from water. So again Wisconsin only borders the Eastern Time Zone on water. But it may be where WI land comes closest to the ETZ.

And that’s Hopi land.

The Audacity of Hopis!

koyaanisqatsi (life out of balance) with their neighbors. lol

Northwest Angle could be considered a driving exclave except in the dead of winter when one can drive across the hardened water to reach land.

The biggest time difference I know of is when you take the short hovercraft ride from Portsmouth to The Isle of Wight.

In less than half an hour, you go back 50 years.