[QUOTE=What Exit?]
So they have been brainwashed to the point were they don’t even believe in the “All-Forgiving God Part”? What do they do, pick and choose just the most hateful parts of the Bible to subscribe to? Crap, I’m an agnostic, I do not believe in churches but even I can see some of the beauty in what Jesus taught. Why can’t they?
The people you are defending and their minister are just plain scary to me. You paint them as irrational and well trained for doing evil to the world.
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The “all-forgiving” part comes in by God having sent Jesus at all. He still is painted as getting pissed at us humans for continuing to fuck up even when we’re Christians and know what Jesus suffered for each of our sins - past, present, and future ones we’re yet to commit, so those sins burden him back in the past and we know it. He’s also pissed at those who don’t believe when you preach to them, those who don’t condemn sin(ners) when they see it - love the sinner, hate the sin, sure, but those who still desire those of their own gender obviously aren’t repentant like God requires.
Missed Ollie’s post - the United Church of Christ (not Church of Christ), a Protestant Christian branch, is gay-friendly enough to the point where gays and lesbians can be ordained as ministers, and they will perform gay and lesbian commitment ceremonies, or marriages where legal.
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The “all-forgiving” part comes in by God having sent Jesus at all. He still is painted as getting pissed at us humans for continuing to fuck up even when we’re Christians and know what Jesus suffered for each of our sins - past, present, and future ones we’re yet to commit, so those sins burden him back in the past and we know it. He’s also pissed at those who don’t believe when you preach to them, those who don’t condemn sin(ners) when they see it - love the sinner, hate the sin, sure, but those who still desire those of their own gender obviously aren’t repentant like God requires.
That’s how they justify it.
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I think you have explained in a nutshell why I say “I don’t believe in established religions”.
[QUOTE=Priceguy]
I’m not.We all have issues. It seems more likely to me that if this guy hadn’t been adopted, he’d have had issues with something else. And if it was the adoption, it’s just because people go on and on about it. People expect being adopted to be this huge big thing, when it’s really not. If people just treated it like a nonissue, it would be a nonissue.
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You are not understanding me–this guy, David, had issues with his adoption. He felt abandoned and second best. Yeah, he might have had emtional issues anyway, but we will never know that, since his issue was with his adoption and we can’t go back in time and make him be a part of his birth mother’s family. How hard is this concept to get?
It may not be a huge issue for you or for many, many others, but it is for some people. That’s a fair statement and you refusal to see that leads me to look askance at your POV.
Sorry about the mix up re the rainbows and puppies.
And frankly, to yank this thread back on topic, IMO, the attitude of some “christians” or “religious” people, no matter what faith background to homosexuality is horrible, wrong and destructive. I’m with Lewis Black–I hope St Peter looks like the gayest of gay hairdressers, when the Call comes…it seems to me that homophobia is a holdover from a time when the cultural more was to increase your tribe as quickly as possible. Not needed these days.
[QUOTE=eleanorigby]
You are not understanding me–this guy, David, had issues with his adoption. He felt abandoned and second best. Yeah, he might have had emtional issues anyway, but we will never know that, since his issue was with his adoption and we can’t go back in time and make him be a part of his birth mother’s family. How hard is this concept to get?
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Not at all, I just disagree with it. I believe the only reason David had issues with his adoption in the first place was that a bunch of people around him turned it into a big issue. Genetic heritage is really a nonissue and should be treated as such. If the general feeling in society was that it doesn’t matter, it wouldn’t matter.
The only times it does matter is when you need to know if you are carrying some hereditary disease or the like.
[QUOTE=What Exit?]
How many Western religions are accepting of homosexuality? The two biggest ones, RCC & Islamic are not. The Protestant faiths vary and how about Orthodox Judaism? Ollie might not be too far off.
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Orthodox Judaism is not particularly accepting of homosexuality, but remember, it’s not the only game in town as far as Judaism goes. It’s a subject for debate in Conservative Judaism (I hope they eventually go toward being more accepting), and Reform Judaism is accepting of gays.
[QUOTE=NinetyWt]
Well, it is. That’s exactly what I was referring to earlier. Take a small child, raised in a small community, where everyone feels and thinks the same way .. this small child will see what happens to others who buck the mindset. I don’t know the right term for this, perhaps MandaJO can help. Indoctrination? That kind of person is so afraid of going against the grain that, yes, they would shun their own children.
The only thing that reasonable people can do is to fight for educating and enlightening until that’s no longer an issue. It can be very difficult if a person has been long ingrained.
Fionn has taken her first steps towards that. And she lives her life she can/will be an example of how “gay” people don’t grow horns or sacrifice babies or any other such horrendous thing. She’s just a beautiful person in love with another beautiful person.
That ought to be enough for anybody.
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Hold everything, you mean we’re not supposed to do those things?? I should really read the manual again. ::sigh::
[QUOTE=RickJay]
It’s quite honestly the sort of behaviour I’d expect from witch-burning peasants in medeival Germany, rather than citizens of a civilized country.
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To me the people who practice these rediculous religious beliefs are very much in the same league as witch burners. It all makes about the same amount of sense when you boil it down.
It’s been a busy year.