You're opening your own bar. What's it like?

It’s more of an upscale lounge. There’s a bar, but the rest of the place is filled with big overstuffed chairs and sofas in “conversational groupings.” It’s for people who actually like to talk and hang out with their friends when they go out. It’s dark with mostly candlelight. There’s no smoking. Board games would be available.

There would be a game room with darts, pool, and card tables. There would be a blackjack table as well with a really cool dealer.

DMark, have you ever been to The Safehouse in Milwaukee? It’s sort of a gimmicky place, but still fun and a good place to take people from out of town. Oh, and I know the original Miss Moneypenny, too. There’s a secret entrance from The Press Room, and a “back way out” along the riverfront.

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There’s an abandoned church in Denver that’s a huge multi-level dance club. Not really a gay club, but probably a decent percentage. Kinda cool with a genuine gothic(arcitectural not clothing(although that’s there in force as well)) feel , but I hate dance clubs, and the beer is expensive as hell.
My perfect Bar

  1. Huge Cheers style rectangular bar in the center of the room, no counter stuck along the wall.
  2. Good scotch.
  3. Good beer, and lot’s of it. At least 100 kinds of good beer. As well as my own brew, made on site.
  4. TVs all over the place, showing every freakin game that is being played everywhere.
  5. a row of lazy boys infront of the big screens.
  6. big freakin ten person tables.
  7. A real pizza oven, and real pizza.
  8. Preferably in the mountains on a nice lake or river.
    9 Full sized pool tables.

Sounds somewhat like the “56th Fighter Group” bar/restaurant. It’s located at Republic Airport in Farmingdale, NY (on Long Island). I think the building is supposed to be a bombed out English farmhouse, though (not sure – it has been quite a while since I went there.)

Take a look at the DC bar scene sometime - I’m not sure there’s a bar like that in this city, but I’d be shocked if there isn’t.

mine would be three bars in one; access to each would be from a bank of staffed freight elevators in the entrance vestibule on the main floor.

basement would be called “a hole in the ground” – the divingest dive that ever dived. barely lit, concrete floor, and cheap booze all night long. one long bar serving draught in plastic cups, and limited to something domestic, and something domestic light. mixed drinks limited to rye, rum & vodka, with only basic mixes. also served in plastic cups. and no beer bottles, only tall cans - available from the bar, or one of several tended bathtubs of ice placed at strategic points around the joint. stage at one end, pool tables at the other. in between, long wooden benches bolted to the floor, at long wood tables also bolted to the floor. tvs around everywhere, all tuned to whatever game is on at the time, with cc & no volume. rock mix piped in way too loud, when there is nobody on stage. 7 days 9 - close.

(first floor is stockrooms for the whole complex, plus office space for running the place)

second floor would be a dance club called “dress code in effect” there would of course be a dress code in effect. four corner bars - fully stocked, classy glassware, but no taps, standard club prices. open hardwood floors, broken up by a dozen or so pillars for setting down of drinks. couches along the walls would be the only place to sit. standard dj rotation, open only thurs- sat, 10 - close.

third floor would be a restaurant, called “the sandwich” classy, but not over the top. decent prices for great food. 7 days, lunch - 11.

fourth floor would be a pub style, called “o’tappery’s drinkhouse” with dozens of quality microbrews & imports on tap. full wine bar, great scotch selection, partial access to the restaurant menu from “sandwich” kitchen. bar would be in the centre of the floor, surrounded by good old fashioned bar stools. orders from the kitchen carried on a dumb waiter to the bar. around the walnut panelled walls would be several booths, some dartboards, chess tables in three corners, and a snooker table in the other. music would be eclectic mix, but lowish volume. 7 days, happy hour - close.

and “over it all” is a rooftop patio. open thurs - sun weather permitting, access from & same hours as “o’tappery’s” umbrella’d picnic tables, propane heated for the slightly chilly nights. satellite bar to the pub, so similar selection, though not complete. same tunes as the pub, but louder.

One thing you seem to have forgotten…how are you going to deal with the obnoxious jerks that every bar attraracts? You cannot allow them to take over your bar-they drive the good customers out, and often they are the advance guard of the rather unsavory elemnt (like motorcycle gangs) who will attempt to use your place as a drug supermarket, etc.
So, hire some GOOD BOUNCERS…off duty cops would be good. Don’t tolerate any guff…and if a fight breaks out, run the miscreant OUT immediately.
If you allow the wrong element to take up residence, you will very likely regret ever getting into the bar business!

One thing I’d like to see: NO JUKEBOX. I know that a jukebox is a money machine inside a bar, but I"m so sick of some idiot with a 20 dollar bill who plays music no one else wants to hear.

Out here they’re called The 94th Aero Squadron. WWI motif, with a bombed-out French farmhouse, mock-up Spowith Camel and Fokker DR.I, military vehicles, ducks and geese… I’m actually looking for the WWII look, though.

With so many pubs around and within walking distance, originality is critical. My pub would serve good food, cider, and wine, and any music would be classical.

My favorite bar of all time was a place called “Joe’s” on Back Street, St. Thomas, VI. I lived on the island for several months in the 70s and the cast of characters who frequented the place was terrific. As for a description, here is an excerpt from a (sort-of) memoir I’m writing:

Man, I had some good times in that place.