Yvette Felarca: heroine? ... or terrorist?

Sick fuck.

Yup. Ultimately, we should avoid the habit of reaching conclusions until all the facts are in and sorted. I agree.

Have you not learned the perils of being part of the reality-based community?

Whatever the video shows, it only shows part of the story. For example, it does not show what might have happened. For example, the Great Sacramento Massacre of 2016 is NOT depicted on the video. If you don’t even have all the facts of what wasn’t on the video, how can you form an opinion on what was in the video?

Furthermore, FAKE NEWS!

ETA: I see on edit that you have added this:

I would like to take all the credit for your changing your mind due to my post, which happened after yours. Thank you.

I’m not sure why everyone is focusing on the woman. She was verbally combative, and she did punch him (in a girly kind of way), but it seems like the men who joined in towards the end were doing much more physical damage than she was. That one guy was stomping on him when he was on the ground…

Anyway, I think the cops jumped in at the right time. When it was just the man and the woman, they were kind of bumping up against each other, and although she was punching him, those were some of the most weak-ass punches I’ve ever seen.

You’ll have to ask magellan01. He thought the cops should have arrested her. He didn’t seem concerned about the “manly” kicking, nor when the neo-Nazis took revenge with knives, but an uppity Asian bitch talking sass to a white man? That’s intolerable — she should have been out having her pussy grabbed or something.

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I think this is the video that led up to it. Assault, yeah. Assault of an asshole, yeah. But I say assault. I call this lead-up video “Run, little nazi!”

ETA: He was assaulted a few times for real before she got him.

So she is allowed to punch someone as long as it doesn’t hurt them. Then I assume you think it’s OK for Trump to grab a woman’s pussy as long as he doesn’t hurt her (or in your words he tickles it).

Leave it to you to chime in with the sexist defense of “whaaaa, people are being too hard on Donald Trump!”

There ya go. It’s like all the brewhaha over Joe Mixon. Effectively girls have the right to hit boys. Such a fuckin’ double standard. Tell you what, go out and play weak-ass slappy-slap with a girl (don’t hurt her) and see how many people have no problem with that.

Leave it to you to not be able to figure out a simple post. Not sexist at all, just pointing out the double-standard of “If you don’t physically hurt them it’s ok.” since it seems you Dems (at least septimus) think girls hitting boys is OK but pussy-grabbing is wrong. Let’s leave Trump out of this. If a guy were to touch a woman in an aggressive way without hurting her, do you think people would say it’s OK? Do YOU think that’s OK? Does septimus think it’s OK?

A little internet searching finds one possibility for “defoo”: depart the family of origin. That is, the family that you’ve known all your life is obviously a tool of the state and this antifa clique is now your new family. This is for left-wing extremists, obviously. For right-wing extremists substitute globalists for the state and skinhead for antifa.

Bunch of scum for attacking someone who is merely speaking. Once he’s down and being stomped on by several attackers he’d be justified using lethal force.

You’re mixing stuff up. Sexual assault isn’t wrong because it hurts people. Physical assault is. We made it a crime to avoid people being hurt. Sexual assault is wrong because it creates unwanted feelings in the person involved, a feeling of violation.

It is thus perfectly consistent to think physical assault that hurts no one is okay, while still thinking grabbing a pussy and hurting no one is not okay. I don’t agree, but it’s possible.

Not that I’m sure the OP even believe that. If you actually read what the OP said, it seems more like he’s saying that physical assault that hurts no one is not okay, but that responding in a way that does hurt someone is worse. And that people should not play up the first as some uniquely bad person and the other guy a saint who was defending himself.

That I can very much get behind.

The above is without getting into the neo-Nazi stuff. And I am at a crossroads here. I am no longer sure that we should be extending all these rights to neo-Nazis. I’m not sure that isn’t where we as a country screwed up. I find myself unable to hold on to the idea that we will definitely win if we stay high when they go low.

I’m not certain that neo-Nazis need the full protection of the law. I’m not certain we don’t need to model ourselves after Germany, where certain bits of Nazism, neo- or original flavor, are not as protected as other forms of speech.

I also can’t help but think that, if someone is willing to take the risk of being caught to hurt a Nazi, hence providing the punishment that the law won’t, that I maybe shouldn’t condemn them. As I keep pointing out, nearly every civil rights gain has required violence at some point.

Trump is President. Neo-Nazis have power. They are now the oppressors, and thus the oppressed can sometimes need to attack the oppressed. Or have proxies do it in their stead.

So I just cannot draw some line at violence when it comes to civil disobedience. Not in a country literally founded on violence. Not when every civil rights movement required violence. The only exception I can think of is possibly gay marriage, but that win is rather flimsy. And I’m not sure we didn’t need to have violence to get that started, either.

I can’t help but think that the only way forward is to somehow force the neo-Nazis to stop, rather than just talking to them. Even though I don’t want to. Even though I want to be all “God is love” and “Vengeance is the Lord’s.”

I’m not sure anymore, and it is rather scary.

They are all Kung Fu grandmasters. Very very dangerous :smiley:

You are naive, hypocritical, and in need of some historical education.

Just watched the video. Kinda wish I hadn’t. Several of those folks should have been arrested. The asshole in the white shirt should do some time.

Nazi assholes have been marching in this country for many years. You can carry counter-signs, you can yell, but if you throw shit and start hitting people, you are no longer protesting or standing up for anything except violence.

What if I think someone hitting me gives a feeling of violation whether they physically hurt me or not. Maybe I don’t like anyone I don’t know touching me in a threatening or aggressive way. But I guess it’s OK if a girl does it because I’m a guy, is that the point? If the clip shown even remotely tells the whole story she should have been arrested for assault for inciting the attack where he was thrown to the ground and kicked.

And if I’m reading your post correctly your answer to my question

is yes. Interesting.

Wow. Absolutely wow.

Literate Dopers have already noted that I’ve conceded Ms. Felarca’s feeble punches were both wrong and criminal, though I admitted to admiring them.

And now you, Saint Cad — my new nominee for Stupidest Doper of all — compare them to pussy grabbing.

Reality check: Do you think those pushes or punches inflicted injury or pain on the neo-Nazi? Do you think they inflicted the same level of humiliation and revulsion that pussy-grabbing inflicts on one of your idol’s victims?

Wow.