She openly promotes the use of violence and destruction. I don’t think you’ll find a lot of people on the left who support that kind of thing. I certainly don’t. Nor is that kind of thing limited to the left, as there are those on the right who expouse the same goals.
If she’s being arrested for assault and other charges and is found guilty, then I fully support her getting the maximum penalty. We as a society shouldn’t dance around this or treat violent people (of any political stripe or gender) with kid gloves.
I remember the video (haven’t seen the one you posted) that had her punching this guy in the stomach with her back to the officers…and the crowd just wailed on the guy for like a full 8 seconds before police intervened.
This is the longer video, showing the victim’s actions prior to the attack. He didn’t exactly cover himself with glory, but I don’t see much of anything he did that shouldn’t have been protected by the First Amendment, with the possible exception of one thwack with his flagpole, and that was after he’d been robbed of his flag and pepper sprayed for no reason and the mob was swarming him (IOW, a pretty clear-cut case of self defense).
May I ask why? I mean, obviously, if guilty, her behavior is reprehensible, but this is your ten billionth thread about the horrors of Antifa, and honestly I’m not sure how ‘‘famous’’ she is because I never even heard of Antifa before you. As far as I can tell, they are about as reflective of mainstream liberalism as the KKK is reflective of Christians. They are a faction of radicals doing radical things in the place where people have always done radical things - college campuses. These people are anarchist nutjobs.
You remind me of this guy I once knew who managed to relate every political problem in existence to the federal reserve. Now there may very well be sound arguments in favor of abolishing it, but he undermined all credibility with his obsession. It engendered a fundamental mistrust in his motives. Likewise, you seem singlemindedly fixated on the actions of a handful of left-wing anarchist radicals.
I mean, you aren’t under the impression this behavior is common, are you? Or that there are scores of people out there condoning it? What exactly is your axe to grind here?
It bears repeating, this is in response not to this thread alone, but the aggregate of your threads, most of which appear to be about Antifa.
No, it’s not an “obsession”, but I do find it mildly interesting.
Because it’s a group of people doing reprehensible things, in violation of one of the American ideals I most cherish: the right to freely express oneself.
I agree. I’m quite confident I’ve never claimed, nor implied, that they were reflective of mainstream liberalism.
No; I don’t know how many people are condoning it, but I suspect it’s a very small fraction of the population; no axe to grind, just delighted to see justice being served.
I don’t think you know how to aggregate very well, or you’re using some non-standard definition of “most”, or you’re seeing Antifa where I’m not posting about it.
I count 3 of the last 20 threads started by me that are about Antifa. I’d invite you, and anyone else who is curious, to use the site’s search function and verify for themselves.
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Because it’s a group of people doing reprehensible things, in violation of one of the American ideals I most cherish: the right to freely express oneself.
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So here’s a random legal question, in no way intended to minimize the seriousness of this person’s crime: Is it possible, legally, for another citizen to violate a person’s right to free speech? Or is that entirely the purview of the government?
Put another way, is there any legal distinction between ‘‘assault’’ and ‘‘assault with intent to infringe free speech’’?
Ok. Is that meant as some sort of a defense of Spice Weasel’s false claim about ‘the aggregate of [my] threads, most of which appear to be about Antifa’? Or was it just an interesting observation you felt the urge to share?
So, a violent jerk is getting arrested and tried for being a violent jerk. What about this is worthy of discussion?
And do your lofty ideals also extend the same antipathy towards those of other political persuasions who likewise promote violence for the sake of suppressing free speech?
It’s an indication that I’m not coming totally out of left-field. In my brain, you are ‘‘that Antifa guy.’’ Sure, there’s some confirmation bias there, but also some justification for it. Three threads about the same topic is pretty telling, and I’m assuming you’re excluding the ''is this crazy liberal-anarchist bullshit the new normal on college campuses?" thread, which is basically the same sort of thing. It’s a trend with you, but most notably, you only seem interested when it’s liberals doing the oppressing.
I don’t review posters’ history, I find it mildly weird to do so, so I’ll not take you up on that invitation. I’ll take you at your word.
Hey, don’t look now everyone, HurricaneDitka is starting threads about things that have been in the news.
:rolleyes:
Look, I get that Antifa is a fringe leftist movement, and it’s probably a bit uncomfortable for leftists to talk about their crazy political cousin, but it’s not like I’m a one-note banjo here, which was the gist of Spice Weasel’s complaint.
I certainly didn’t expect much debate about it, which is why I put it in MPSIMS. It’s just an “oh, here’s an update I saw in the news” thing. If discussing it isn’t of interest to you, you’re welcome to keep scrolling right on by the thread. If you wanted to take the opportunity to renounce / declare your support for Yvette Felarca or share your thoughts on the matter, you could do so here.
Ugh, at the very least, I hope I’d be “that anti-Antifa guy”. Even better might be “that guy that cares a lot about free speech”, but that may be hoping for a bit too much given the political persuasions of many of the posters here.
The only thing I’m “getting” is that there is a recent push to make “Antifa” the next big baddie to associate Democrats and/or liberals with, now that the Ruskies have been taken off the table by Trump and the Trumpettes.
It’s not uncomfortable to discuss for me, though I can’t speak for others. I have nothing in common with these people and I despise violent approaches toward even the most disgusting ideologies.
I’m liberal, but I’m hardly a left-wing shill. I spend just as much time bitching about the left as I do the right. And according to a political test I took recently, I’m actually a moderate.
‘‘This only bothers her because she’s liberal’’ may sound plausible but I don’t think it’s the case here.
Also, I’m not sure how much it really bothers me, so much as it’s a thing I noticed, that is kind of getting blown out of proportion by the continued discussion. Certainly I’ve enjoyed past threads on the subject and interacting with you in general. I just wondered if you saw your own bias, or at least understood why you are perceived as biased.
Where are you getting that from? Here is an LA Times story that talks about them and their violence from June 2016. I may be remembering the timing wrong, but I’m pretty sure that was before Trump-Russia was much of a thing in the media. Was the LA Times ‘pushing to make “Antifa” the next big baddie to associate Democrats and/or liberals with’ way back in June 2016 (or ever)?
I’d understand your complaint more if the only stories about it were on Breitbart or Fox News, but they’re not.
In all fairness to H-D, the left has been trying to get the right to acknowledge their embarrassing racist political cousins on the fringe right for decades.
It must be such a relief for H-D to finally play the victim card by glomming onto a marginalized extremist anarchist group openly disavowed by most liberals.