The London Times. Link: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001551787,00.html .
Or could the 50 or so be the last prisoners delivered to the fort, thrust into an incipient gun battle? Hmmmm…
One four paragraph article with only hints of a “massacre,” compared to hundreds detailing the fight to the death of people who won’t surrender?
And what do we make of Time magazine’s Alex Perry, on the spot throughout the battle, who said, “The mission by the Americans and Northern Alliance is to kill every single one of them now”?
“them” presumably being the guys trying to kill said US and NA forces.
They haven’t proven willing to negotiate and have apparently decided to fight to the death.
~~Oh, ae you’re a riot…
thanks… lol
Is this a trick question, or what? Since when does the news media issue official military policies or objectives?
Well, according to CNN… 300 dead taliban POWs, 100-150 dead northern alliance soldiers, 1 dead US CIA officer, and a 3-day battle… If they -were- just masacaring unarmed POWs, they sure have bad aim.
aegypt, remember those pictures someone posted of a Taliban supporter being mutilated by the Northern Alliance? Maybe it’s better if they’re just shot instead…
the more I think the OP is a tremendous steaming pile of shit.
The claim that, in this day and age, the United States would aid, abet, and commit war crimes of the worst magnitude in front of journalists and the Red Cross is simply incredible. We’re not talking about a handful of Marines killing a few civilians or shooting a few POWs in the back. We’re talking about the full force of the military being brought to bear, with full knowledge up and down the chain of command (and, again, around the world).
Incredible claims call for overwhelming evidence, and that’s not remotely been proffered.
Here is a heart-warming AP Photo of one of our NA allies yanking a gold tooth out of the mouth of dead prisoner. I don’t know if the Geneva convention makes any mention of kicking corpses, but I think it’s an indication of an unpleasant disposition. Here’s another corpse kicker. How many of these executed prisoners were actually armed, anyway? This guy probably wasn’t fighting when he was shot, in fact it appears he was bound.
If this guy was bound at the wrists, then yeah, he probably wasn’t fighting…
Judging from the photo, he seems to be bound at the biceps, though. He’d have been hard pressed to throw a punch bound that way, but operating a rifle wouldn’t have been out of the question by any means…
And, yes, long-term prisoners are often tied that way until more satisfactory means are arranged. It allows the prisoners to feed/relieve themselves, yet still keep them relatively restrained. However, that kinda falls apart if automatic weapons are introduced…
Wow , a couple of photos showing corpses being kicked. I’m conviced. The US is evil!!! We are the bad guys!!! We…
I’m sorry, I kinda lost it there. But ya gotta admit, that’s incontravertible evidence. No, wait. It’s not.
I’m getting a real anti-USA vibe from aegypt here.
<<others>> But look at all this evidence. Many sources! Their accounts seem to be consistant!
>>aegypt>> A little toooo consistant! There must be a conspiracy. Besides, how do explain the report of this one other guy over here??? HMMMM???
If one guy says it’s a duck, well, it’s just one guy. If ten guys say it’s a duck, I’m naturally going to think ‘hey, it’s probably a duck’. If twenty guys say it’s a duck and news footage showing the duck, I’m going to assume duckage. But there’s always going to one guy who swears it wasn’t a duck, but a rabid mangy dog.
And none of your links work!!!
I’m anti-US, spooje? Try “anti-warcrime”. And remember that while the argumentum ad hominen often saves time, it is still a fallacy.
And I’m in good company, too. Mary Robinson, the United Nations high commissioner for human rights and former prime minister of Ireland, is going to hold a press conference critizising the United States for the incident in London tomorrow, joining the voices of human rights groups across the world.
Furthermore, did you notice the report today that 160 unarmed prisoners where executed as US observers watched near Takteh Pol? The commander in charge is quoted as saying:
I realize the events have been seriously underreported in the United States media. Read these articles, then come back and tell me I’m wrong.
“There is no excuse for this savegery”
(The Guardian, UK)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,608690,00.html
“We are the war criminals now”
(The Independent, UK)
http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=107292
“Justice in the dust”
(The Guardian, UK)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,608547,00.html
“How our Afghan Allies applied the Geneva Convention”
(The Independent, UK)
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia_china/story.jsp?story=107369
“Playing the Great Game”
(The Guardian, UK)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,608213,00.html
“US investigates ‘execution’ of 160 Taliban near Kandahar”
(The Independent, UK)
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia_china/story.jsp?story=107385
“Afghanistan: Amnesty International calls for urgent inquiry into violence in Qala-i-Jhangi”
(Amnesty International)
http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/Index/ASA110362001?OpenDocument&of=COUNTRIES/AFGHANISTAN
Did ya notice this one??http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,1271,-1348987,00.html
Isn’t guilt by association also a logical fallacy?
Here’s an article describing the situation you mention, from a (sort of) major US paper…oh, wait a minute…it says the same thing as one of the articles you quote–in fact, the first one, which leads off “The Pentagon is investigating reports of the massacre of about 160 unarmed Taliban prisoners by American and Pakistani-backed opposition forces who ignored US pleas not to kill them.”
But let’s not mention that the US is trying to prevent these atrocities, and that it is very probable if not a certainty that when they call in bombers for a prison riot, it is because the prisoners are, in fact and as reported, armed to the teeth and fighting to the death.
Here’s an article on the front page of a major US newspaper mentioning the incident; there may well be more later today or tomorrow morning. It does note that the unconfirmed reports say that the 160 Taleban refused to surrender, and again, the US servicemen on the scene tried to stop what was going on.
It’s great to see you know how these things are being reported on this side of the Ocean.
As I understand it, these prisoners weren’t smuggling any weapons into the fort. Many were not disarmed and had both guns and hand grenades hanging off them as they went into the Fort.
So, you then have several hundred armed prisoners in a confined open space. All it takes is one hot head to ignite the touch paper – the guards respond to the initial event, other prisoners respond to the guards in self-defence, the guards respond to the other prisoners, all the prisoners realise what’s afoot… and you have a massacre.
Pretty simple way to get rid of a whole lot of foreigners no one yet knows what to do with or wants to deal with. Of course, that wasn’t in the mind of the NA commander at the time…they’re our allies…
I suspect the words out folks, it’s open season on foreign Taliban.
Foreign Taliban?
And all those poor innocents surrounded by one hothead didn’t have a white flag anywhere in that fort, L_C? Bullshit.
And it strikes me that your “lone hothead” theory is particularly full of bullshit because when the first lone hothead at that location blew himself up and took out two Northern Alliance commanders last week, nobody started massacring prisoners.
But as is the case with all groundless conspiracy theories, that datum will, I’m sure, quickly be incorporated into the conspiracy.