THATS IT PEOPLE, I’VE DECIDED WE ARE STOPPING JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS, LETS DO IT… HERE AND NOW. WE CREATE A NEW POLITICAL PARTY AND RETAKE AMERICA, AND BRING IT BACK, RENAISSANCE PART DEUX. THIS IS SERIOUS, NOT A JOKE, THE IQ’S WE HAVE HERE, AND THE SERIOUS INTELLIGENCE LEVEL SAYS… LETS DO IT.
WE FIX WHATS BROKEN, RESTORE ORDER, MAKE MORALITY A PUBLIC FIXTURE AGAIN, REBUILD AND RETRAIN OUR ARMED FORCES, REVISIT THE SUCCESSES OF OUR SPACE AND SCIENCE PROGRAMS, LEAD THE GLOBAL RESTRUCTURING, REBUILD THE FAMILY STRUCTURE, AND BEGIN THE NEW U.S., WITHIN 2000… WE MUST ALSO ALTER, OR FIX THE BROKEN GOV’T THAT EXISTS, EVEN THE LAWS, AND EVEN THE RULES BY WHICH THE GAMES ARE PLAYED…JOIN ME MY FELLOW CITIZENS
MIKE
TO HAVE WORKED FOR THE GOVERNMENT WAS NO WORK AT ALL,TO REFORM AND REBUILD THE GOVERNMENT, THEREIN LIES THE CHALLENGE.
You might have noticed, Mike, that there is considerable disagreement on this site concerning what the government should be like. It might be somewhat difficult to unite us under one banner.
Oh yeah:
Actually, it’s the first time on this thread. Maybe you’re traveling backwards through time, like Merlin in T.H. White’s story.
We can, question is more like, are we smart enough to do the one thing the current government says we cant… unite to stop them before its to late. They bet the bank that we cant, wouldnt it be nice, to win the biggest hand of blackjack in human history, and win world peace, and a few other things with it…
Hint hint… the pot in the middle of the table consists of much more than any human can rationally guess… to include the fact that there are currently, 2 space stations in this solar system manned by over 140 people, and that there arent 9 planets in this solar system, just a few more, that the govt has finally allowed to be “discovered” by those who have known of its existence since Aricebo began running.
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We get rid of electoral college, give a tax rebate of 5% to those who vote (and show proof), and publicly open all the files of information our government has that it wont share, to exclude those that present threat of life to currently living people. nice of me aint it…lol
FORMERAGENT: A laudable goal. Fraught with difficulties yes, but they shouldn’t deter us if we want a solution bad enough. I have been inside BOTH major political parties and have connections in Congress, so I know what we are up against. I am interested in ideas first, consensus second. If that can be reached count me in. I am serious. I ran for office to change the small world of my district. I instituted major change and the powers that be got frightened of me. In the end the power brokers rose against me in such a way that I had to run to protect my family. They are gone now so in a sense I have nothing to lose.
Let’s see where this goes.
Yours,
Phaedrus
For what a man had rather were true he more readily believes.
FORMERAGENT (hey, his name is all caps, I’m not shouting, I’m just quoting) suggested we:
Not a good idea, in my opinion.
First: In Maryland in '94, we had an extremely close election, and, IIRC, it took about two months to retabulate the votes for the state. Imagine that kind of effort placed upon the entire country’s voting records, say, during another squeaker like Kennedy vs. Nixon. Currently, we would just retabulate those states which were close. Getting rid of the electoral college would mean forcing every state and district to retabulate. Sure, in general it’s a paralell process and wouldn’t take that much longer, but it would be a high cost in money and time.
Second: As of this point, there has been only one Presidential election in which the Electoral College voting was different from the popular vote- in 1880, W.S. Hancock beat out James Garfield in the popular vote, but Garfield won in the Electoral College.
FORMERAGENT then said:
An active electorate does not mean an intelligent or capable electorate. Getting everyone to vote does not mean getting them informed as to the issues or the candidates’ stances upon them. Quite frankly, I prefer our current system of having people who don’t know and don’t care stay at home rather than casting a ballot based upon whose name they saw last or whose name is higher on the ballot.
JMCJ
“John C., it looks like you have blended in very nicely.”
-UncleBeer
I never suggested that by voting you show education… but had my first posting been read, by making only the books a cost in upper education, perhaps the NEW voters would be more intelligent by activity in the process, as well as with the educations they would vote to give themselves.
Second, the funds created by cutting the electoral college and its massive administrative budget (which i have seen), would be more than ample to offset the costs of re-counting the votes.
I appreciate the exchange though… so tell me in few words. Do you support the idea then to reform and change the existent system, using our large pool of intellectuals…?
Scully, this is bizarre…any government employee who’d enter information which could be construed as even remotely subversive has to know that he or she would be closely monitored—specifically if said information was counter-productive to the active paradigm. I mean, I’m inclined to believe the impression given that he is an employee of the agency, but only because my CTRL, Windows and ALT keys were all stuck on my keyboard for three weeks, which made it really difficult when I wanted to delete anything that didn’t precede my cursor…
On the other hand, this reminds me of Operation Schindlerberg…you remember, Scully, when they put down a grid over all those unsuspecting message boards in order to cull as many ‘subversives’ as they could by inciting them to sign on as potential candidates for revolution, all the ‘yea’ votes counted and placed in a separate file for further observation? Remember, it’s not paranoia when they’re actually trying to fry your kielbasa.
Mulder, this guy’s email has the word ‘devil’ in it. I’m surprised you didn’t see that earlier.
Scully, I did notice it, but seeing the obvious isn’t nearly as intriguing as studying the method used to obfuscate it…
Have a general election that decides the top two candidates, then quickly have an election the following day or so to decide the president who the people have choosen to govern them. This has difficulties but we need to get rid of third party candidates that make sure (at times) an “unpopular” president is elected.
Perhaps this can be corrected to make it workable and provide a solution we desperately need. Perot had some good qualities but we DON"T need another fiasco like 1992.
A laudable goal? Perhaps. A laughable one? Certainly.
We can’t even agree on when the millenium begins, fer chrissake! Do you a forum here called the Great Agreements? Just because we all have great minds (well, some of us), doesn’t mean we all think the same. The LBMB is more likely to form a concensus with their closed minds and small brains. (Yeah, yeah, cheap shot. Deal with it.)
I would much rather remain in the Loyal Opposition, taking potshots from the sidelines and rousing the rabble. More fun, less responsibility. Do you really want to run a country where the most popular solution to to most pressing issues seems to be to “add more cheese”?
Lord help us if we ever get the country we sem to be asking for.
TT
“Believe those who seek the truth.
Doubt those who find it.” --Andre Gide
I was in the army in Infantry, then a Ranger, then I was retrained to work in Intelligence, through DLI and Langley Va.
Since then and after my second college degree, i was moved to the position of special field agent at Langley through FBI training programs, I then left the Bureau to join a newly formed agency, a branch of NSA that works in counter-terrorism, and is well known for being the home of “the guys who are one slip of the tongue (or substitute “step” depending on who says it) from being on their own search lists”
i was using a secured network connection at the time i began typing today, to make sure that i didnt receive any unwanted “followers” or any cookies…
so good of you to ask about me, im fine and now how about you?
Sorry if you felt the humour was an infringement on the goal you seek. I find at times I have to lighten up, especially when undertaking a task as serious as the one you propose. Sorry if you found it out of order.
I am more serious about this than you could EVER guess. I am awaiting ideas from others and will participate as much as time allows. I have received a trial date (I practice law) and it is next week sometime. Hope to stay with you on this. The less defensive you are the more people will participate I think.
Thank you for serving me and my country.
Yours,
Phaedrus
For what a man had rather were true he more readily believes.
