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Old 05-09-2000, 09:45 PM
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Yesterday morning at quarter to ten, I had my first physio. appointment. It went a bit like this:

I was sitting in the little room in my jeans, tank-top and sweater, freezing to death when the physiotherapist came in and introduced himself. His name was Randall.

He asked me a few questions regarding where the pain is, and how I'd classify the pain, etc. No big deal. Then he asked me to stand up so he could have me do a few stretches.

I bent to the sides and to the back as instructed when he cut in and said, "Wow! Are you ever flexible!" and asked that I take off my sweater. I assumed it was so he could see my back better, and complied.

As soon as the sweater was on the chair, he asked me to face him and touch my toes. This is when I thought, "WTF? There is NO way I am going to stand here perky nipped and bend over so you can look down my shirt!" So, I turned to the side. His response, "Well, I guess we can do it that way."

A few minutes later he asked me to, on my hands and knees, get on the table. Once up there he instructed me to arch my back, then sag it (sticking my butt in the air). The second time he asked me to arch, he moved around behind me and asked that I let my back, again, sink into the opposite. With this, he said, "You have got a great sag!"

The next thing he asked me to do was lie on my back. Once I had, he started stretching my legs up and pushing them torwards my face. I was wondering what relevance this had to what I was there for, when he said it had none. He just "wanted to see".

Once done my contortion performance he got me to lay on my side. With his hand on my back feeling the movement of my vertebrates, he moved my legs up and down, ever so slightly rubbing them across his manliness.

I have to go back in two weeks.
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Old 05-09-2000, 10:53 PM
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Meg! Don't you hate it when the MD is cute? I had to change opticians once!
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Old 05-09-2000, 11:02 PM
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I have to go back in two weeks.
Mega, how old are you???? You know what, I don't even care, there is now way that you ought to go back to that pervert!! Can you imagine what he'd try NEXT time, if you did come back?? However you got this guy's name, I'd make sure they knew what happened, and I'm not sure where you live as to what the laws are there. But, this is no different than being fondled by a dentist when you're under gas. This is just wrong and he needs to be reported to whatever agency would cover it. Whether it's the AMA or just to the police.

If this really happened, I hope you take it seriously, you're NOT the first and you won't be the last, until he is stopped. He won't stop himself. Please call someone about it, and you may need some help later to talk about it too. You are his patient, NOT his date.
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Old 05-09-2000, 11:07 PM
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Old 05-09-2000, 11:17 PM
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I'll just say this. You do not have to go back in two weeks.
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Old 05-09-2000, 11:33 PM
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I wouldn't go back, and I really hope you don't either. Trust your instinct on this.
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Old 05-09-2000, 11:54 PM
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No need to worry, I am certainly not going back to the same office, if I go back at all.

Anti Pro - I'm nineteen, and this is all true.

Rilchian - Believe me, there was NOTHING cute about this guy.
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Old 05-10-2000, 12:06 AM
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Roo, I apologize. In fact, I wonder if my post can be removed.

I was just skimming the board...I don't know how I got the impression that he was cute. I take it back.

But I did have to change opticians, due to self-consciousness.

No, that is awful. Report him. Now.
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Old 05-10-2000, 12:30 AM
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What? No sense of adventure? Are you married or spoken for? If not, just think of the fun you could have with him!! Sew a few wild oats! Cripes, if I went for therapy and had a cute female therapist coming on to me, I'd accept! Just use protection!

Of course, if married or spoken for, then that places everything into another light.

(Some of my favorite memories are of some exciting, unexpected sexual encounters.)
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Old 05-10-2000, 01:02 AM
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Mega,

That is very disturbing and highly unprofessional.

How you were referred to this physical therapist? I'm assuming it was by a doctor. I would immediately go back to the doctor or whoever referred you to the therapist and report it to him or her. Get a referral to a different therapist and make sure that this guy isn't referred again.

Does this guy work alone or is he part of a practice? I would report him to his employer.

I'm assuming that this guy is licensed. I would report him to the board that licenses physical therapists. (In the U.S. they would be state registered, but I don't know how they are registered in Canada. Maybe you can check you province's website under professional or medical licensing.)

In all cases, I would have my complaint in writing. Your description in this thread can be used with just a few modifications. I would replace the term "manliness" with something more clinical like "genitals", and edit your sentence "This is when I thought 'WTF . . . .'" to something like "I was concerned about my breasts being exposed from under my tank top when I bent over, so . . . ." I would also include the exact time, location and date (and the creep's full name, if you have it). You may also want to review it to see if you can add any other relevant details.

Simply the act of handing (or faxing or e-mailing) a written description to the person to whom you are complaining will make your report much more credible and effective. It will also make clear how exactly he was unprofessional he was.

Assuming your physical therapy was prescribed for some condition, I would urge you to continue it. However, I would NOT continue to see any therapist that you feel uncomfortable with.

Good luck.

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(And Sentinel, the most polite thing I can possibly say is your post is reprehensible and shows an appalling lack of judgment and consideration.)
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Old 05-10-2000, 01:20 AM
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What? No sense of adventure? Are you married or spoken for? If not, just think of the fun you could have with him!! Sew a few wild oats! Cripes, if I went for therapy and had a cute female therapist coming on to me, I'd accept! Just use protection!
First of all she said he wasn't cute and second of all it was unwanted. I don't think a "sense of adventure" is what she needed. This was blatant sexual harrassment and the doctor should be reported to whoever these kinds of things gets reported too. If that post was meant as a joke it wasnt really funny.
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Old 05-10-2000, 02:45 AM
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Hey, you met my old roommate!

Not really. My old roommate wasn't a physiotherapist; he was like a masseur/aromotherapist/general goofball type. He used to offer free buttock massages to his friends - male and female. The thing is, he tried to give the impression that he was strictly heterosexual. There's nothing wrong with a male, straight or gay, giving another guy a massage, but this guy was a complete lecher and tried to seduce pretty much every female he massaged. It worked a couple of times. Okay, at least once.

Anyway, I too, had thought that this sexual encounter was of the positive kind, just based on my reading of the thread name. Reading the OP I found out I was wrong, but for the first coupla paragraphs I thought, "Hey, Mega the Roo doesn't even sound like she likes this guy! When's the romancin gonna start?" I got better.
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Old 05-10-2000, 07:35 AM
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I've been to a few physical therepists, and the bending the leg to your chin thing is to test your hip flexibility test, for whatever it's worth.

Meg, if he's making you feel uncomfortable, CHANGE DOCTORS. For no other reason than you have got to trust your physio 100%. Whether or not you make a formal complaint is up to you, but you will NOT get better unless you trust your caregiver. And he sounds like a creep.
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Old 05-10-2000, 07:41 AM
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mega,

Just let me know if you want me and a few of the guys here to come over and kick his ass

Seriously: if the tests he let you do are in no way related to the problems you are having (they might be relevant, you didn't tell us what you were in for), change physios AND file a complaint. That might stop him from doing it again.
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Old 05-10-2000, 09:47 AM
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What they are trying to point out to you mega is that often shrinks [yes, Ive seen a lot] are way more nuts than the patients'. You can get really bleeped up by them, especially like the one you have. It's obvious that he was trying to seduce you & you should have got out as soon as he asked you to take off your sweater. Live & learn.
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Old 05-10-2000, 09:55 AM
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mega,
change physios, explain what happened to the new physio without mentioning the old physio and see what he says.

His comments were wrong, and what you describe seems really creepy.....
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Old 05-10-2000, 10:06 AM
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Mega,

It's irrelevant if the movements were related to your injury or not, his comments were out if line and the way you felt was valid. He should be reported, you should charge him. Just imagine what he might be like if a cute 13 or 14 year old comes in for physio, someone who may not be as level-headed as you? Kick his ass!
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Old 05-10-2000, 10:09 AM
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Handy et al:

I hate to be a stickler, but I have to point out that a physiotherapist (PT) is NOT a "shrink" (typically used to describe a Psychiatrist or Psychologist) nor are they M.D.s or doctors of any sort. Physiotherapists may have a bachelor's degree or perhaps a master's.

Manipulation of body parts is stock and trade for the PT, so the various stretches that were described in the OP don't seem out of line in that context. Randall's verbal responses do indeed sound odd, and any rubbing of a patient's body parts over a PT's "manliness" is strictly taboo. If that's what happened, a written complaint featuring Randall's behavior should be filed with the state licensing board immediately.

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Old 05-10-2000, 10:18 AM
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Mega, if you're uncomfortable with any healthcare provider, you should change to a different one. I don't doubt you for a second that this really happened or that you were put in an uncomfortable situation. If you feel like you were being sexually harrassed, you should, by all means, report it to the physio's licensing board.
That said, my husband is a physio and, just by what you've written here, it doesn't sound like anything he did was out of the ordinary. A lot of times, people don't realize that the pain in their arm may be caused by something going on in their neck, or that a certain problem in the back could show symptoms in the legs. My husband has to touch a lot of people in a lot of different places and, trust me, he's not getting any thrills from it. He's had to massage women's chests, do deep tissue massages on elderly men's butts, and a million other things that were in no way sexual but were purely for therapy purposes.
If his expressions, words, and other indicators that we can't interpret on a message board were showing you that he really was being a lecher, go report him immediately. If you were uncomfortable just because you didn't understand exactly why he was having you do certain exercises, you may want to think about it. Either way, if you were uncomfortable, switch physios.
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Old 05-10-2000, 01:14 PM
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Tilting my head to the left...

Is it just me, or does C3's name resemble a rear view of a naked person sitting down and bending over to touch his or her toes?
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Old 05-10-2000, 01:21 PM
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By the way, I didn't mean to minimize the importance of this topic. Megaroo, it really burns me up that you were made to feel so uncomfortable by someone in whom you had placed your professional trust. Maybe I'm just feeling protective towards you after our amazing night in the photo studio (note to those who didn't read my mash note thread: this is fictionalized), but I don't like hearing about my pen pal being harassed.

It might have been a better idea to title this something like "I was sexually harassed by my physiotherapist" so sickos wouldn't come in expecting to be titillated.
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Old 05-10-2000, 01:29 PM
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Mega please call or email the following. We have to get this scumbag out of practice and out of our province.

Canadian Physiotherapy Association National Office
2345 Yonge Street; Suite 410
Toronto, Ontario M4P 2E5
Phone: (416) 932-1888 or 1-800-387-8679
Fax: (416) 932-9708
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Old 05-10-2000, 01:31 PM
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make that"as brave as you are."
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Old 05-10-2000, 01:33 PM
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Yeah, well, Chef, your name spelled backwards is "fehc"...switch a couple letters around...add an L.
Well, you know.
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Old 05-10-2000, 02:30 PM
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Mega, I came back in here on your topic because I'm still SO mad at that creep! But, he ISN'T just a creep, what he did is against the law. I wish Bluepony wasn't MIA, though Billdo touched on this. PLEASE take this seriously. You were 'sexually battered', it's a CRIME, which makes creepo a criminal, not just a pervert.

Just because you're not sporting bruises and cuts, don't underestimate what happened to you. This person needs to be in jail.
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Sent..(MarkSerlin) you're another example of someone being a 'jerk' and being able to stay on this board, degrading it with your presence. You're beyond disgusting. Anyone who would advocate crimes against women as being 'adventurous' is a rapist waiting to happen.
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Old 05-10-2000, 02:40 PM
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Yeah, well, Chef, your name spelled backwards is "fehc"...switch a couple letters around...add an L.
Well, you know.
If you use all the letters in "Chef Troy," you can make the following acronyms (among others):

FORT YECH (the ugliest Army base in the country)
FEY TORCH (The kind of torch song Harvey Fierstein sings)
TORY CHEF (there are lots of cooks that miss the old days of British rule)
HE FRY COT (There was nothing left to cook but this camp bed...get the ketchup)
FETCH ROY (he'll eat anything - even a fried camp bed)
HE OFT CRY (I do not! That's a mean thing to say! *sobbing*)
HEY, CROFT! (over here, Lara! I loved you in "Tomb Raider"...)
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Old 05-10-2000, 03:15 PM
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Mega, I came back in here on your topic because I'm still SO mad at that creep! But, he ISN'T just a creep, what he did is against the law. I wish Bluepony wasn't MIA, though Billdo touched on this. PLEASE take this seriously. You were 'sexually battered', it's a CRIME, which makes creepo a criminal, not just a pervert.
I just wanted to clarify, from what I understand (and keep in mind that this is based on my general knowledge of U.S. law only without any special expertise in this area), the creep's conduct was improper and unprofessional, but probably not illegal and almost certainly not criminal.

To summarize, something is criminal when you may be arrested, prosecuted, and put in jail or fined for doing it. As a licensed professional (which I assume he is) who made offensive comments and may have had incidental contact (through clothing) with his genitals in the course of the therapy, it is unlikely that this would considered any form of sexual battery. From your description, it does not appear that he actively molested you or did anything that would be grossly or obviously outside the bounds of legitimate phisiotherapy (though his comments and actions caused you to feel uncomfortable). His words and actions were disgusting and degrading, yes; but criminal, no.

Something may be illegal but not criminal, when someone who does it may be subject to civil remedies, including liability (payment for damages to the person injured) or injunction (a court order requiring that person stop). Though you were disgusted by the actions, you probably have not suffered sufficient legal injury to sustain a suit against him (and a much better thing to do would be just to try to forget about the creep).

Something is unprofessional when in may cause a licensed professional to have action taken against his or her license. Will your complaint alone cause him to lose his license? Probably not. If it is the only complaint against him, it may cause him an official reprimand or censure, but it was probably not serious enough on its own to cause him to lose his license.

That being said, I strongly suggest that you make an official complaint against him. First, if there are other complaints against him, they collectively may be enough to cause him to have his license suspended or revoked (or for him to lose his job if you complain to his employers). Second, even if it is the first complaint, it will stay in his file if others have the same sort of experience you did. Third, if you complain to his employer and the referring doctor, it will reduce the number of patients that he will be able to see (and, perhaps most importantly, keep him away from you).

Also, Odieman's address and contact information for the Canadian Physiotherapy Association (http://www.physiotherapy.ca) is to a voluntary trade association of physiotherapists. Though I would recommend that you send a complaint to them, I would contact you provincial College of Physiotherapists. (From http://www.physiotherapy.ca/cpacoll.htm):

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The Canadian Physiotherapy Association is a voluntary membership organization for physiotherapists. The College of Physiotherapy in each province is the licensing and regulatory body for the profession, responsible for safeguarding the public's interests related to the delivery of physiotherapy service.

If you have a concern about the treatment or care you have received from a registered physiotherapist, you should contact the College of Physiotherapists in your province. If you have a general inquiry about the profession or how a physiotherapist can help you, please contact the Canadian Physiotherapy Association.

Regulatory Boards Of Physiotherapy In Canada

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SASKATCHEWAN* College of Physical Therapists
REGISTRAR: George Sherman
P.O. Box 7385
Saskatoon, SK S7K 4J3
Tel: (306) 931-6661
Fax: (306) 931-7333

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*Permanent Office

Explanation Of Terms
College of Physiotherapy (The College) is the licensing board for each province. Physiotherapy is a self-regulated profession and most professions have a governing body called a college. The college is not a school or a university. Its primary role is to protect the patient/public and its secondary role is to guide/direct the profession of physiotherapy. The responsibility of each college is to ensure that physiotherapists practising in a particular province are registered and have met the provincial standards for entry and re-entry to practice. The college ensures that all regulated practitioners in their province meet specific standards before being allowed to practise physiotherapy.

The Canadian Alliance of Physiotherapy Regulators (The Alliance) is a federation of provincial physiotherapy regulatory boards. The Alliance was incorporated in 1992 and is committed to the development and improvement of regulatory standards of practice for physiotherapists. The Alliance is the liaison between the Canadian regulatory boards and in addition to administering the Physiotherapy National Examination (PNE), it works in the areas of equity and accessibility of services and national consistency of standards.

The Canadian Physiotherapy Association (The CPA) is the national professional organization. Established in 1920, CPA has more that 9000 members represented by a national office in Toronto and satellite offices in Montreal and Ottawa as well as branches in 10 provinces and the territories. The mission of the Canadian Physiotherapy Association is to provide leadership and direction to the physiotherapy profession, foster excellence in practice, education and research and promote high standards of health in Canada.
I would call the number for the Skatchewan College of Physical Therapists above (should be a local call) and ask them what their procedure for making a complaint about a practitioner is.

Please feel free to e-mail me if you have any questions or I can be of further assistance.

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Old 05-10-2000, 03:16 PM
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Okay ... we may be moving this into pit territory here but ...

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What? No sense of adventure? Are you married or spoken for? If not, just think of the fun you could have with him!! Sew a few wild oats! Cripes, if I went for therapy and had a cute female therapist coming on to me, I'd accept! Just use protection!

Of course, if married or spoken for, then that places everything into another light.

(Some of my favorite memories are of some exciting, unexpected sexual encounters.)
< Disgusted sarcasm > Hey, gosh, you're right, Sentinel! Why, these women should just learn to enjoy unwanted sexual attention or advances. Hell if they didn't want the attention, they wouldn't dress like that in the first place, right? </Digsusted sarcasm>

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Old 05-10-2000, 07:08 PM
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Eiss, well she did say 'physio.' Hey, what is that anyway? Never culd find anything in the dictionary that would fit.
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Old 05-10-2000, 07:56 PM
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Eiss, well she did say 'physio.' Hey, what is that anyway? Never culd find anything in the dictionary that would fit.
Well, 'culd' it be you spelled it incorrectly??
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Old 05-10-2000, 09:41 PM
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I don't believe it. I'm sorry, but the people on this board tend toward the reactionary side.

"I had my first physio. appointment." Could it not be that you were apprehensive about the appointment as you didn't know what to expect and particularly on edge? Perhaps you decided before you went that you were going to be uncomfortable being there and this, you feel, is a good excuse not to go back? You've already said you might not go back.

How old would you say Randall is? How long do you think he's been doing what he's doing? He's probably been doing it long enough that one body part is that same as all the other body parts, fairly blase. That's the way most adults think about body parts anyway.

"'Wow! Are you ever flexible!'" Well, are you? If so, what makes it out-of-line for him to remark so?

"There is NO way I am going to stand here perky nipped and bend over so you can look down my shirt! So, I turned to the side. His response, 'Well, I guess we can do it that way.'" It sounds to me like he was trying to do his job. How exactly was he going to look down you shirt anyway? If you're bent forward someone's head would have to be approximately 2.5' off of the floor to see your nippedness.

The whole sag thing sounds like more of the same. He's just doing his damn job. Oh, he moved around behind you big deal. You've got jeans on for Christ's sake. Nothing to see down there but your skinny ass.

"I was wondering what relevance this had to what I was there for, when he said it had none. He just "wanted to see"." What are you trying to imply he wanted to see?

"With his hand on my back feeling the movement of my vertebrates, he moved my legs up and down, ever so slightly rubbing them across his manliness." Did the guy have a big fat boner going on? A man's penis is usually tucked neatly between his legs unless he's got an erection. Therefore, even the lower abdomen does not constitute "his maliness".

Before you go off half cocked (no pun intended) and file some sort of official complaints or whatever, I'm sure there's some sort of repository of professional conduct somewhere. If he's done anything concretely overt it should be in a file somewhere. If it is, I apologize for this entire post and you may feel free to chastise me to no end. However, if the guy's just doing his job you could be jeopardizing his career with some silly bullshit.

If he said something like, "Your nipples sure are pokey" or if his hand went a little past the bottom of your backbone (that would be like the coccyx as we learned in my "Ass bone" thread) then I'd be more inclined to believe something not quite right was going on. As it is, I think you're full of shit.
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Old 05-10-2000, 11:21 PM
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I don't believe it. I'm sorry, but the people on this board tend toward the reactionary side.
No, the people on this board tend to care about others.

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Could it not be that you were apprehensive about the appointment as you didn't know what to expect and particularly on edge? Perhaps you decided before you went that you were going to be uncomfortable being there and this, you feel, is a good excuse not to go back? You've already said you might not go back.
No, I was not apprehensive about it at all. My mom has gone to physio. for years, and I hear about it all the time and knew very well what to expect. I said I may not go back to see HIM, and this is because yes, he did make me uncomfortable.


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"'Wow! Are you ever flexible!'" Well, are you? If so, what makes it out-of-line for him to remark so?
Yes, I am quite flexible. And it wasn't at all out of line that he remarked it, just the WAY that he did.

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"There is NO way I am going to stand here perky nipped and bend over so you can look down my shirt! So, I turned to the side. His response, 'Well, I guess we can do it that way.'" It sounds to me like he was trying to do his job. How exactly was he going to look down you shirt anyway? If you're bent forward someone's head would have to be approximately 2.5' off of the floor to see your nippedness.
If asking me to face him for that particular stretch was so important, why did he comply to my turning around? And as for seeing my 'nippedness', not only was he much shorter than I, but he was also sitting down.

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The whole sag thing sounds like more of the same. He's just doing his damn job. Oh, he moved around behind you big deal. You've got jeans on for Christ's sake. Nothing to see down there but your skinny ass.
I never thought anything BUT that he was doing his job, until the way he said what he did.

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"I was wondering what relevance this had to what I was there for, when he said it had none. He just "wanted to see"." What are you trying to imply he wanted to see?
Okay, HE said it had no relevance and that HE just wanted to see. I implied dick all.

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"With his hand on my back feeling the movement of my vertebrates, he moved my legs up and down, ever so slightly rubbing them across his manliness." Did the guy have a big fat boner going on? A man's penis is usually tucked neatly between his legs unless he's got an erection. Therefore, even the lower abdomen does not constitute "his maliness".
*Ahem* "Usually" you say? One point for you for realizing not all men do things the same way.

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Before you go off half cocked (no pun intended) and file some sort of official complaints or whatever, I'm sure there's some sort of repository of professional conduct somewhere. If he's done anything concretely overt it should be in a file somewhere. If it is, I apologize for this entire post and you may feel free to chastise me to no end. However, if the guy's just doing his job you could be jeopardizing his career with some silly bullshit.
I said I wasn't going back to the same office. The end.

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If he said something like, "Your nipples sure are pokey" or if his hand went a little past the bottom of your backbone (that would be like the coccyx as we learned in my "Ass bone" thread) then I'd be more inclined to believe something not quite right was going on. As it is, I think you're full of shit.
Full of shit? I don't even know how to reply to that seeing as all I did was tell what happened at my appointment.

Wow. This post really pissed me off.
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mega, honey, please remember into every life a little jerk must fall, it's unfortunate, I know, but the jerks fall on the just and the unjust. And in your case, it is certainly VERY big time, unjust. Don't let the jerks of the world get you down. Okay??

Try remembering how many of us are kind and were listening, don't hone in on the few jerks that rain down on you, just dry yourself off and stay out of the jerk rain, whenever possible. m'kay??? Take care.
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Once again, Sentinel/Mark/Rainbow/Nit/etc has to come in for his courtesy creep comment.

Dude, stop living in a porno fantasy and wake up to reality: Women don't like unwelcome advances. They're creepy. At 19, I would have been terrified and seriously scarred by this guy, if mega's depiction is accurate. At 27, I would mop up the floor with this freak, if only verbally.

Freak.
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GEEZ! What a bunch of stiff-necked buggers!

I was just joking around and, to me, the OP did not seem to be all that serious at first reading.

So, If I offended anyone, then I sincerely apologize!!
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< Disgusted sarcasm > Hey, gosh, you're right, Sentinel! Why, these women should just learn to
enjoy unwanted sexual attention or advances. Hell if they didn't want the attention, they wouldn't dress
like that in the first place, right? </Digsusted sarcasm>
Wow. I'm proud to be moderated by you, Eutychus55.

Meg: don't pay any attention to inertia. Pay attention to your instincts. If they were telling you this guy was acting inappropriately, then pay attention to them. They might not always be right, but it's worth it to err on the side of caution. I refer to it as my "psychoalarm" or my "slimeball alert."

A call to the licencing board that Billdo suggested might be a good idea. You don't have to identify yourself or the slimeball, just explain what happened without using any names, and ask what the disiplinary action is. Then decide if you want to go through the trouble. But DEFINATELY tell the doctor that refered you, in confidence, about the incident. You have doctor/patient confidentiality on your side. Good luck, and if you need to vent, feel free to e-mail me.
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I was just joking around and, to me, the OP did not seem to be all that serious at first reading.
None of your OP's seem all that serious to any of us. Yet you make a huge scene whenever we make fun of you.
Which, admittedly, is all the time.

Sorry, Serlin. You must realise by now that your function on these boards -if any- is not that of the Court Jester. Too many people despise you for that.

As this is not the Pit, I shall conclude by wishing you a nice day.
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Mega, that sucks. I have a sister around your age, and am currently thinking dark thoughts.

How are you doing now? The whole doctor/patient dynamic (even if Big Chief No Clue isn't a real doctor)can put one in a vulnerable position, and crap like that can pretty much redline the ol' Skeeve-o-Meter for a while. As others have said, alerting someone, even just the doctor who referred you, might be an option worth exploring.
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Mega, I am thrilled to hear you won't be going back. But I still want to encourage you to report the guy. Even if they laugh you off, even if nothing comes of it, the complaint is on file. If anyone else brings charges, should he ever become more brazen, he'll have a record of file. One voice can be ignored, but two are a little harder.

Please, for the sake of all women who may have this Randall in the future, file a complaint. We'll cheer you on! We'll support you!
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Perhaps I typed too soon. I did see she wrote 'physiotherapist' this is a physical therapist, not a shrink by any stretch of the imagination. physical therapists must check the patients out throughly to know what to do for them. Just like in ballet, sometimes there are going to be mis-touches, they might be unintentional or intentional.

I'd call a licensing board & see if they have any other complaints about him.

On the other hand, you do need your treatment so NEXT TIME take someone with you!
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(Please read this entire post before making conclusions about what I'm saying)

I recounted this story to my husband last night (who's a PT, as I said above). He said it all sounded pretty normal, except for the rubbing against you, which caused him a little concern, but he also said that could happen accidentally in the course of an exam and could just be poor body positioning on his part.
Re, the bending over exercise, he said that he was probably looking at the shape of your back. He said that this really needs to be done either from a front view or a rear view, in order to really see what's going on. He also said all the other exercises sounded normal for a first time exam, especially if your complaint has to do with disc problems.
My husband also said that this might have been just a problem of really poor communication & explanation on the PT's part. He also said that when he has a female patient, especially one on the young side who's never had PT, he is extremely careful about draping, explaining exactly what he's doing, and even having another female (PT assistant, receptionist, another therapist) come into the room with them (which is an option you might want to exercise with any physio).

Despite all of that, none of us were there and can in no way tell from what you said the exact tone of voice that was used, body language, etc., so you shouldn't really listen to anyone here...do whatever you feel is necessary. You're the only one here who had firsthand knowledge and knows all of the nuances of the situation. The rest of us are just making WAG's and advising you based on a short version of the incident. My opinion, though, for what it's worth, is that reporting something that could very likely ruin someone's career should be taken very seriously and weighed very carefully. If it were me, I would try to be extra careful that what happened was well and truly an instance of sexual harrassment before I took that step.
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I wasn't there. I'm full of shit too. Ask anybody. There's swimmingriddles, let's ask her. "Swimmingriddles, is inertia full of shit?" Swimmingriddles, "I'll buy that for a dollar."

Honestly, I kinda' did wanna' piss you off, but not too badly. I do think you might be over-dramatizing your encounter with the guy. Why? Well, if you were so sure he had molested you in some way you wouldn't need to post it on this site.
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inertia:

1. My life is certainly not in need of being dramatized.
2. I don't recall ever saying he 'molested' me.
2. Does anybody really need to post here??
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Mega: Do file a report on the therapist. He obviously made you uncomfortable enough to bring it up here, and I haven't seen you to be an alarmist.

At 20, I had a breast biopsy, and the examining physician in the Student Health Clinic at the University I attended took advantage of me. I won't go into detail, but it sucked, and I was too scared and naive to file a report. I trusted his position. A few years later I ran into the guy again, and my then more mature alarm bells resounded the Jerk alarm. He had moved up on the ladder, and was still an ass. I wish I'd reported his actions when he was a resident.
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