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Old 11-24-2004, 05:44 PM
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What goes on inside a gay bathhouse?

I keep hearing the term "Gay Bathhouse," but I'm still not really sure what it means. My guess is that it's a place where gay men go and sit in hot tubs nude with each other, and that there are rooms where they can go off and have sex with each other if they so desire. Is this basically it? If I'm wrong, could someone with more expertise set me, er, straight?

And is there anything like this for heterosexuals?
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Old 11-24-2004, 06:00 PM
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Yeah, that's basically it. Naked guys looking for other naked guys to have sex with.
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Old 11-24-2004, 06:03 PM
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And is there anything like this for heterosexuals?
You mean like a bath house where heterosexual men sit around nude with other heterosexual men and then there are rooms where they can go off and have sex with each other?

I am not sure, but I don't think so.
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Old 11-24-2004, 06:12 PM
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Where straight MEN and WOMEN go, Silly.
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Old 11-24-2004, 06:18 PM
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Just wanted to comment that the OP has the best name possible with this topic.
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Old 11-24-2004, 06:20 PM
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What's that supposed to mean?
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Old 11-24-2004, 06:25 PM
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What goes on inside a gay bathhouse?




A condom, if you were smart.
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Old 11-24-2004, 06:31 PM
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Where straight MEN and WOMEN go, Silly.
I don't know if you could call it going silly, but there would definitely be a drop in inhibitions.
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Old 11-24-2004, 06:33 PM
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My father told me that in New York there was a place called Plato's Retreat that he described as a "sex club." Would that be the straight equivalent of a gay bathhouse?
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Old 11-24-2004, 06:33 PM
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What's that supposed to mean?
It's like the joke about the two gay Irishmen, Patrick Fitzgerald and Gerald Fitzpatrick.
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Old 11-24-2004, 06:42 PM
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Oh, ha ha. That IS funny!

Maybe they could join together with the Wright brothers and start a gay resort. They could call it the Fitz-Wright Inn.
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Old 11-24-2004, 06:47 PM
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It's like the joke about the two gay Irishmen, Patrick Fitzgerald and Gerald Fitzpatrick.
No it's much more obvious. PaulFitzroy = Paul fits Roy.
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Old 11-24-2004, 06:50 PM
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If I'm not mistaken, Otto is gay, and answered your question in post #2.

So, my options were to close it or move it. I choose to move it.

If we get one factual answer in ten posts, I ain't waiting around for the 100th joke post on this.

Answered in GQ, and moved for your pleasure to MPSIMS.

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Old 11-24-2004, 07:02 PM
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I keep hearing the term "Gay Bathhouse," but I'm still not really sure what it means. My guess is that it's a place where gay men go and sit in hot tubs nude with each other, and that there are rooms where they can go off and have sex with each other if they so desire. Is this basically it? If I'm wrong, could someone with more expertise set me, er, straight?

And is there anything like this for heterosexuals?

It's called "Bingo Night"
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Old 11-24-2004, 07:06 PM
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Just wanted to comment that the OP has the best name possible with this topic.

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Old 11-24-2004, 07:17 PM
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No it's much more obvious. PaulFitzroy = Paul fits Roy.
So he's making him a garment? Those crazy queers!
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Old 11-24-2004, 07:22 PM
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So he's making him a garment? Those crazy queers!
<obligatory Friends reference>Aren't tailors supposed to...cup?</oFr>
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Old 11-24-2004, 07:24 PM
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I've been, once or twice, to a classy establishment downtown called the 456 (one of my friends works there).

Upon entry, you may choose either a room or a locker. You are then issued a towel and some condoms. You go in and disrobe. At the 456, the lower floor is, indeed, a bathhouse: there is a large swimming pool, hot tub, showers, and a sauna. There is also a sort of drawing room with a TV and an Internet terminal, and a bar where health foods and light snacks are served. (In the basement is a gym; the place doubles as a health club.)

The second floor has many tiny rooms, as well as a porno theatre; upstairs has larger rooms and glory holes, in a "jailhouse" theme.

Officially the management frowns on actual screwing in the public areas, however the rule is sparsely enforced upstairs, and there is usually something going on in the porno theatre. I would say most of the people who go there, go there to meet people; some go with their dates, with or without the intention of supplementing their couple with another fellow or two. Condoms and lube are freely available; drugs are prohibited, and I don't recall seeing anyone visibly sloshed.

In addition to actual bathhouses, some gay-run bed and breakfasts have a reputation for being especially cruisy, but one doesn't necessarily go there in order to have sex.

Canada has some old, rarely enforced laws against running or being in a "common bawdy house" (i.e. a brothel). Although these establishments are not brothels (you are paying for the accommodation, and it's up to you to find a partner; indeed, I know people who use it as a health club and/or cheap hotel), once in a great while the police force will take it into its head to raid one; the most recent case was in Calgary in December 2002, and I'm not sure what came of it.

Other famous raids took place in Montreal in 1990, after which footage of rubber-gloved police beating up protesters galvanized the community and earned the sobriquet "Montreal's Stonewall"; and a raid on a lesbian sex party in Toronto in 2000, where male officers roamed the building for hours and then left without filing any charges.
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Old 11-24-2004, 07:32 PM
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Visions of Brain Candy & dozens of gay men evacuating a public facility upon police infiltration.
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Old 11-24-2004, 07:37 PM
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Yes, I understand that's more or less how it goes, except with less comedy and more assault.
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Old 11-24-2004, 07:51 PM
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The first time I heard of such establishments was when a Canadian (as it happens) friend came to my house for lunch. I was about 17 and still living at home, she was visiting her sister for the summer.

My parents engaged her in tedious polite conversation, as is customary in these circumstances:

"And what do your parents do?"

Her reply was that her father owned a bathhouse.

"And what might that be?" so she explained, more or less as per the OP's definition above.

The image of my mother's jaw dropping is etched in my memory forever more.
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Old 11-24-2004, 08:00 PM
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There's a place not far from where I live that is essentially a series of private rooms with hot tubs, padded ledges the size of a twin bed, a separate shower/toilet/sink area, and also a separate small sauna.

You make a reservation, pay an hourly fee, and do whatever you want. Most people do.
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Old 11-24-2004, 08:12 PM
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You mean like a bath house where heterosexual men sit around nude with other heterosexual men and then there are rooms where they can go off and have sex with each other?

I am not sure, but I don't think so.
I'm in a really bad mood this evening and should probably be confined to the Pit for the duration, but I'd like to mention that I enjoyed this post very much.
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Old 11-24-2004, 08:24 PM
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I've been, once or twice, to a classy establishment downtown called the 456 (one of my friends works there).

Upon entry, you may choose either a room or a locker. You are then issued a towel and some condoms. You go in and disrobe. At the 456, the lower floor is, indeed, a bathhouse: there is a large swimming pool, hot tub, showers, and a sauna. There is also a sort of drawing room with a TV and an Internet terminal, and a bar where health foods and light snacks are served. (In the basement is a gym; the place doubles as a health club.)

The second floor has many tiny rooms, as well as a porno theatre; upstairs has larger rooms and glory holes, in a "jailhouse" theme.

Officially the management frowns on actual screwing in the public areas, however the rule is sparsely enforced upstairs, and there is usually something going on in the porno theatre. I would say most of the people who go there, go there to meet people; some go with their dates, with or without the intention of supplementing their couple with another fellow or two. Condoms and lube are freely available; drugs are prohibited, and I don't recall seeing anyone visibly sloshed.
This is the kinda thing that makes me wish I was gay. It would be so awesome if there was something like that for straight people. Dammit, why isn't there?! It sounds like such a kickass place.

It wouldn't even need to be for straights or gays only. There ought to be a place like that where men and women of all orientatians can go for no-strings-attatched hookups. Fuck this whole thing of needing to go to parties and bars to talk your way into a girl's pants. Why can't there just be something like a gay bathhouse that just drops all the pretense and bullshit, and the people there would understand that they're only there to get laid, plain and simple. If someone isn't attracted to someone else, he/she could just say, no thanks, and move on. Dammit!
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Old 11-24-2004, 08:48 PM
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This is the kinda thing that makes me wish I was gay. It would be so awesome if there was something like that for straight people. Dammit, why isn't there?! It sounds like such a kickass place.

It wouldn't even need to be for straights or gays only. There ought to be a place like that where men and women of all orientatians can go for no-strings-attatched hookups. Fuck this whole thing of needing to go to parties and bars to talk your way into a girl's pants. Why can't there just be something like a gay bathhouse that just drops all the pretense and bullshit, and the people there would understand that they're only there to get laid, plain and simple. If someone isn't attracted to someone else, he/she could just say, no thanks, and move on. Dammit!
Just not fabulous enough, I guess.
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Old 11-24-2004, 08:52 PM
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Read Armistead Maupin's "Tales of the City." Lots of fun vignettes of San Francisco in the late 70's.
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Old 11-24-2004, 08:54 PM
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PFR,

There are plenty of such places, at least outside of the Bible Belt where you and I presently reside . The problem isn't the place, it's the clientele. 95% male, and the rest looking to be paid for their time.

What you (and I) want is for women to adopt the classic gay male attitude: sex is like tennis, just a fun thing to do with balls for a 20 minutes and nothing more than that. Until the ladies get a major rewiring of their brains and/or hormones I guess we'll be stuck with the status quo. OTOH, it could be worse ...
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Old 11-24-2004, 09:06 PM
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There's a place across the street from the local airport called the Blue Sky Bathhouse. I always wonder what exactly goes on in that place, but I'm too much of wiener to go in and find out.
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Old 11-24-2004, 09:11 PM
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It would be so awesome if there was something like that for straight people. Dammit, why isn't there?! It sounds like such a kickass place.

It wouldn't even need to be for straights or gays only. There ought to be a place like that where men and women of all orientatians can go for no-strings-attatched hookups. Why can't there just be something like a gay bathhouse that just drops all the pretense and bullshit, and the people there would understand that they're only there to get laid, plain and simple. If someone isn't attracted to someone else, he/she could just say, no thanks, and move on. Dammit!

There are, Paul, there are. They're called 'social clubs' and adverstise discretely, if at all, because they are usually on the limen of the law, unfortunately. My information is second hand, but they sound about like described above, Hot tubs, lounge areas, Public, semi private and private areas to mingle and interact in any mutually acceptable way, clothing optional. IIIC (If I infer correctly) It's mostly couples who go, looking to swing, or indulge their exhibitionism. Single cruising men will, just as in real life, outnumber single cruising women.

Running about, sniffing crotches asking everything in sight 'wanna do me?' would get you about as far as it would at a singles bar.
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Old 11-24-2004, 09:28 PM
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There ought to be a place like that where men and women of all orientatians can go for no-strings-attatched hookups. Fuck this whole thing of needing to go to parties and bars to talk your way into a girl's pants. Why can't there just be something like a gay bathhouse that just drops all the pretense and bullshit, and the people there would understand that they're only there to get laid, plain and simple. If someone isn't attracted to someone else, he/she could just say, no thanks, and move on. Dammit!
Yep, all it would take would be a complete change in the sexual psychology of humankind and it'd really take off.

It's gonna happen, any second now.
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Old 11-24-2004, 09:30 PM
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My father told me that in New York there was a place called Plato's Retreat that he described as a "sex club." Would that be the straight equivalent of a gay bathhouse?
"They're still going at it."
"You're kidding!"
"Yeah, well, you know what they said to me? The told me that Paul fits Roy perfectly!"

That was the joke. It's funny because it's about sex.

Anyway, I doubt there are many sex clubs that have the atmosphere of a bathhouse. I'm also under the impression that there aren't any bathhouses anymore - but when they existed, back before AIDS, they were generally quite anonymous. You'd have sex with some dude you didn't know. Then you left. I don't think most sex clubs work that way, though the intricacies of the straight mating ritual elude me. But most of them are going to require couples (since single women wouldn't show up and single men definitely would) and I doubt they're as anonymous.
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Old 11-24-2004, 09:44 PM
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PFR,

There are plenty of such places, at least outside of the Bible Belt where you and I presently reside . The problem isn't the place, it's the clientele. 95% male, and the rest looking to be paid for their time.

What you (and I) want is for women to adopt the classic gay male attitude: sex is like tennis, just a fun thing to do with balls for a 20 minutes and nothing more than that. Until the ladies get a major rewiring of their brains and/or hormones I guess we'll be stuck with the status quo. OTOH, it could be worse ...
Yeah, that's why the hetero sex clubs that do exist are basically swingers clubs. They're "couples only" which pretty much means that any dude who goes in there has to bring a woman with him or the whole thing just turns into a sausage fest.
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Old 11-24-2004, 09:48 PM
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My father told me that in New York there was a place called Plato's Retreat that he described as a "sex club." Would that be the straight equivalent of a gay bathhouse?
Pretty much, been there, did that at *way* too young <evil grin> you can probably google something about it, but i am not at home and I dont want to shock the people in the room with looking over my shoulder at something like that=)
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Old 11-24-2004, 09:55 PM
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...or the whole thing just turns into a sausage fest.
You say that like it's a bad thing...
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Old 11-24-2004, 09:56 PM
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I'm also under the impression that there aren't any bathhouses anymore - but when they existed, back before AIDS, they were generally quite anonymous.
Um, they definitely still exist -- there are at least five I know of in Montreal, of which one opened quite recently.
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Old 11-24-2004, 10:01 PM
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Still some in San Francisco, too. Damn. Sometimes I wish I lived there. Nothing like walking down the street, minding your own business, and suddenly being blessed by a Sister of Perpetual Indulgence.
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Still some in San Francisco, too. Damn. Sometimes I wish I lived there. Nothing like walking down the street, minding your own business, and suddenly being blessed by a Sister of Perpetual Indulgence.
Yeah, but those baptisms can get messy...
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Old 11-24-2004, 10:23 PM
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Old 11-24-2004, 10:33 PM
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I always wonder what exactly goes on in that place, but I'm too much of wiener to go in and find out.
You'd think that'd be an advantage...
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Old 11-24-2004, 10:34 PM
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You'd think that'd be an advantage...
Grr... I'm such a meathead... I was trying to think of something to say to that, but couldn't think of anything.
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Old 11-24-2004, 10:48 PM
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I've been, once or twice, to a classy establishment downtown called the 456 (one of my friends works there).

Upon entry, you may choose either a room or a locker. You are then issued a towel and some condoms. You go in and disrobe. At the 456, the lower floor is, indeed, a bathhouse: there is a large swimming pool, hot tub, showers, and a sauna. There is also a sort of drawing room with a TV and an Internet terminal, and a bar where health foods and light snacks are served. (In the basement is a gym; the place doubles as a health club.)
Damn, you gays have everything so easy. And another upside is that everyone in there is a potential sex partner. Even in a hypothetically heterosexual bathhouse, at least half the people there are competitors and you don't want to see them naked.
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Old 11-24-2004, 11:06 PM
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Huh. I find myself wondering, do lesbians do the bath-house thing, or is it just gay guys?
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Old 11-24-2004, 11:38 PM
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Damn, you gays have everything so easy. And another upside is that everyone in there is a potential sex partner. Even in a hypothetically heterosexual bathhouse, at least half the people there are competitors and you don't want to see them naked.
I'd venture there are some women (personal preferences, etc) you don't want to see naked either.

Meanwhile, for some of us equal opportunity employers...
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Old 11-25-2004, 12:53 AM
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Damn, you gays have everything so easy. And another upside is that everyone in there is a potential sex partner. Even in a hypothetically heterosexual bathhouse, at least half the people there are competitors and you don't want to see them naked.
Of the bath houses I've gone to (NYC, SF, London), everyone is a competitor, plus you don't want to see about 75% of them naked.
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Old 11-25-2004, 01:07 AM
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Huh. I find myself wondering, do lesbians do the bath-house thing, or is it just gay guys?
From time to time, although it usually ends up being guy-type bathhouses that are designated lesbian one night a month or something of the sort.
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Old 11-25-2004, 02:24 AM
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Huh. I find myself wondering, do lesbians do the bath-house thing, or is it just gay guys?
They had a thing like that here in Brisbane a while back. A once-a-month gig, if I remember correctly. It was half lounge-bar and half hot-tub-cruising-place.

I never attended, but acquaintances of mine went and swore never to return. The "cruising" chicks were all skanks, apparently, and the hygiene of the hot-tub itself was in question. If I recall correctly, the place died a slow and uneventful death.

Lesbians, as a species, tend not to be into the casual, anonymous sex thing. It's a shame really, but I think it's more a reflection of the way our brains are wired.


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Old 11-25-2004, 05:22 AM
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This is the kinda thing that makes me wish I was gay. It would be so awesome if there was something like that for straight people. Dammit, why isn't there?! It sounds like such a kickass place.
At the risk of getting into TMI territory, here's a snippet of a conversation I "overheard" in an online chatroom, where someone was asking about a gay bathhouse in the SF Bay Area:

"Just remember to watch your step."
"I always use protection."
"No, I mean watch your step. Or get a pair of cheap flip flops."

Yeah, what a kickass place!

I've got to groan whenever I hear a straight guy go on about how great it is to be gay because of all the "free" sex. From what I've heard, it's not all that difficult to find female (hetero) sluts, if that's all you're looking for. You just have to go out to a club and get over yourself to the point where you can come on to a woman making it clear that's all you're looking for. And I'll just say that at least from my perspective back when that was all I was looking for: either I'm a lot more ugly and unpleasant to be around than I like to think, or it's not all that easy and "free" for the homos, either.
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Old 11-25-2004, 05:44 AM
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I've got to groan whenever I hear a straight guy go on about how great it is to be gay because of all the "free" sex. From what I've heard, it's not all that difficult to find female (hetero) sluts, if that's all you're looking for. You just have to go out to a club and get over yourself to the point where you can come on to a woman making it clear that's all you're looking for. And I'll just say that at least from my perspective back when that was all I was looking for: either I'm a lot more ugly and unpleasant to be around than I like to think, or it's not all that easy and "free" for the homos, either.
I have to agree about wishing for easy sex for gays. If a straight guy can't some after a night in a bar, well, you're just not doing it right. Lower your standards if you must, but if you want to get laid and go home horny, maybe your standards are high enough to not want a one-nighter.
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Old 11-25-2004, 05:46 AM
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There were, oh, about 5 words left out of that last post. Hope the idea was clear enough.
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Old 11-25-2004, 07:17 AM
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Um, they definitely still exist -- there are at least five I know of in Montreal, of which one opened quite recently.
There are way more than five. There's one in Verdun, one in Brossard, one in Chomedy. Check the smaller ads in Fugues. (This is, of course, the only reason I know. )
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