JohnBckWLD

[Quint]

JohnBckWLD, I just read this thread. I think you should go there right now and apologize. Seriously, just do it.

[FinnAgain]

You're pitting him, over This post?

Lamest. Pitting. Ever.

[Typo Negative]

I agree. He voiced a reasonable opinion. Wrong, but reasonable. And seemed to me to be doing it politely.

[Primaflora]

Hmmmmmmm I felt like giving him a serve over it especially as he posted it after the OP came back to say that the hospital was taking the issue seriously. It wasn't helpful and was patronising which is the last thing a frantic parent needs when the shit is hitting the fan.

[threemae]

This is still probably the lamest pitting I've ever seen. It wasn't malicious or assholish, just perhaps incorrect.

[Quint]

Originally Posted by FinnAgain

You're pitting him, over This post?

Lamest. Pitting. Ever.

FinnAgain did you read the entire thread? So you got to the part where inkleberry was back in the hospital where her 7 week old baby was getting a battery of tests to determine what the problem was? And JohnBckWLD chimes in with his opinion that she's overreacting? I didn't want to ream him out for it, but he clearly owes her an apology. Maybe you did read the entire thread, in which case you are the... Lamest. Human. Ever.

[FinnAgain]

No, I did not read the entire thread. I read the first few posts and realized that John posted exactly one single time. Reading that one single post, I determined that it wasn't a horrible thing to say.
As such, I think this pitting is lame.

[Quint]

Originally Posted by FinnAgain

No, I did not read the entire thread. I read the first few posts and realized that John posted exactly one single time. Reading that one single post, I determined that it wasn't a horrible thing to say.
As such, I think this pitting is lame.

So you don't think the context of telling her she's overreacting when she's in the hospital dealing with an impossibly heart-wrenching situation warrants an apology? I'm telling the guy that to preserve his human decency he should apologize, not pitting him for your entertainment. In this one rare case, you should grow up and realize that style points are irrelevant.

[kambuckta]

He's been chastized in that thread for not reading the entire thing.......why start a PIT thread as well, when it's obvious he hasn't been around?

I reckon he put his foot in his gob too, but it was fairly obvious (to anyone who knows his posting history) why he faux-passed so badly. And I'm sure he'll be back with plentiful self-flagellation when he reads it.

Sheesh.

[Tapioca Dextrin]

If you ask for medical opinions from a bunch of unqualified anonymous strangers, are you surprised that someone didn't come up with a brilliantly correct diagnosois??

He looks like a normal baby, except that he pees a lot.

That's what Inkleberry stated in the post immediately above JohnBckWLD.

I second. Lamest. Pitting. Ever.

[FinnAgain]

Originally Posted by Quint

So you don't think the context of telling her she's overreacting when she's in the hospital dealing with an impossibly heart-wrenching situation warrants an apology?

Was he stupid, a bit unthinking, wrong? Yes.
But the way I read it, he was telling her that maybe everything was okay.
That maybe she was just worried being a first time parent.
Wrong, stupid, unthinking? Yeep.
All that horrible? Not the way I see it.

Originally Posted by Quint

I'm telling the guy that to preserve his human decency he should apologize,

Human decency? Nothing in your OP has indicated how an argument can be made that John violated basic human decency. Hell, I'd even agree that he was probably a bit meta-dumb in that he most likely only read the OP and then responded.

Originally Posted by Quint

not pitting him for your entertainment.

Well, that's a mistake right there. See, the Pit is a public forum, and other people will read threads there, and comment on them. It's kinda like, ya know, a message board. As such, people come here for entertainment of one sort or another.
Had you wanted to keep this private, you could have used email. But you put this out onto the board, and the OP was lame. Lame.

[Quint]

Originally Posted by FinnAgain

Was he stupid, a bit unthinking, wrong? Yes.
But the way I read it, he was telling her that maybe everything was okay.
That maybe she was just worried being a first time parent.
Wrong, stupid, unthinking? Yeep.
All that horrible? Not the way I see it.

So for you something has to be "all that horrible" to warrant an apology? Really? To me, being "wrong, stupid, unthinking" to someone who's in the hospital watching a series of tests being done an a tiny baby deserves an apology. The thread in question is one of those that usually exemplifies what makes me love the SDMB. Empathetic, intelligent people offering advice and succor to a person in a terrible situation. Not someone reading the OP and then dismissing the concerns of the OP. I am still not here to lambaste JohnbckWLD, and maybe that's where I've gone wrong. I think he owes her an apology, I think she deserves that much. I think that the post directly before his indicates that the situation is serious and should not be dismissed in a patronizing manner. Dude's had three days to check on what he's posted, but has made no effort. I am still not here for anyone's entertainment, nor am I here to impress you with my invective. I think an apology is due, and I am dumfounded that any memeber of this message board who has taken the time to read the thread disagrees. Who really gives a shit if you think it's lame? How is that important?

[Quint]

Originally Posted by Tapioca Dextrin

If you ask for medical opinions from a bunch of unqualified anonymous strangers, are you surprised that someone didn't come up with a brilliantly correct diagnosois??

That's what Inkleberry stated in the post immediately above JohnBckWLD.

I second. Lamest. Pitting. Ever.

Actually, here is the full post:

Originally Posted by inkleberry

They are now saying we are gonna be here for a few days. We are getting kidney ultrasounds, more blood tests, and possibly brain MRI. Meanwhile, he continues to eat & pee, eat & pee.

It's scary, but at least we like the hospital where he is and trust them. And it helps that he doesn't look sick or have wires connected to him or anything. He looks like a normal baby, except that he pees a lot.

We will update more as we can. On hospital internet right now. Have worst hair imaginable thanks to a night on the couches in the parent lounge.

Also, we worry that he may catch something nasty while here. The other kids have RSV and menningitis and other yucky sounding coughs.

Nice out of context quoteTapioca Dextrin! Given the full text of what inkleberry said right before JohnBckWLD dismissed her concerns- did you miss the part about "kidney ultrasounds, more blood tests, and possibly brain MRI"? Or did you just skip reading that part? You're the second... Lamest. Human. Ever.

[Eleusis]

If checking your baby's diapers 22 times in 24 hours is a pittable offense..............


Then I don't know what.


Gimme a fucking break.

That's bullshit.

[FinnAgain]

Originally Posted by Quint

So for you something has to be "all that horrible" to warrant an apology? Really?

Really. That is exactly what I just said. Verbatim. In this thread. Mm hmmm. I do think, however, a pitting of something that isn't "all that horrible" is "lame". Expressing mild distaste is boring. I think you glommed onto that a bit as you alleged there was some type of violation of human decency and could've run with it. But as of yet this is still pretty lame.

Originally Posted by Quint

To me, being "wrong, stupid, unthinking" to someone who's in the hospital watching a series of tests being done an a tiny baby deserves an apology.

If one's message was "I know you're worried but things will most likely be okay. First time parents always worry too much." then it wouldn't be so horrible.

It looked like John either posted having read only the OP, or the OP and the first few posts. Maybe he responded but was composing and forgot to preview. Maybe he was reading over the thread and just skimmed it. Are those great practices? No, but they're also not all that pit worthy.

Now, let's assume that he did read the whole thread with a fine toothed comb. The post he made would still (IMHO of course) remain something dumb but not horrible. As I read it, the intended message was that she shouldn't worry. Essentially a message of "I know things are rough for first time parents, but your kid is going to be okay."

Originally Posted by Quint

The thread in question is one of those that usually exemplifies what makes me love the SDMB. Empathetic, intelligent people offering advice and succor to a person in a terrible situation. Not someone reading the OP and then dismissing the concerns of the OP.

What if, just in general, the concerns of the OP should be dismissed? For whatever reason, sometimes people have irrational fears and the most productive course of action is to be truthful and thus helpful. In this case, the result was just dumb. Not horrible. Dumb.

Originally Posted by Quint

I am still not here to lambaste JohnbckWLD, and maybe that's where I've gone wrong.

Might just be. Pitting someone for something that you're not 'pitting' them for is kinda... lame.

Originally Posted by Quint

I think he owes her an apology, I think she deserves that much. I think that the post directly before his indicates that the situation is serious and should not be dismissed in a patronizing manner.

Why this couldn't have been in your OP I don't know.
However, I don't think he was patronizing. I read his text at an attempt to be helpful and calm someone's fears.

Originally Posted by Quint

Dude's had three days to check on what he's posted, but has made no effort.

In other words, he dropped a nugget of wisdom three days ago, and hasn't returned to the thread since?
And this one drive by, dumb, foot-in-mouth post has held your attention for three freakin' days and warrants a pit thread?

Originally Posted by Quint

I think an apology is due, and I am dumfounded that any memeber of this message board who has taken the time to read the thread disagrees

Why do you have to take the time to read the thread? This is the second time you've made that suggestion. The post that was made should be judged by what came before it, not what came after. That's just nutty.

Originally Posted by Quint

Who really gives a shit if you think it's lame? How is that important?

I give a shit if it's lame.
Because, you see, you weren't totally truthful when you said you're not here for anybody's entertainment.
You're here for your own.
And I'm here for mine.
So I pointed out this had little substance and was boring, also known as lame.

Now, debating the lameness of your lame OP has grown lame. So I am going.

Ciao.

[fruitbat]

I am not quite sure this deserved a pitting, but it was close and I certainly think JohnBckWLD owes the OP an apology. The thread had evolved over several days from an 'is this normal?' question to a medical emergency. His comment came across as pretty nasty as he didn't bother to read the thread. Reading the thread you are posting to is a pretty minimal requirement, and if you look like a horse's ass because you failed to do so, you should probably apologize.

[catsix]

Quint said:
did you miss the part about "kidney ultrasounds, more blood tests, and possibly brain MRI"? Or did you just skip reading that part? You're the second... Lamest. Human. Ever.

Considering the zealousness with which some doctors will pursue any test that the medical insurance is going to pay for, I don't think the comment was that assholish.

Wrong in this case, maybe, but it does describe a real phenomenon. He probably should've read everything before saying what he did, but I don't think this is anything more than a bit of a faux pas.

[TellMeI'mNotCrazy]

Originally Posted by Eleusis

If checking your baby's diapers 22 times in 24 hours is a pittable offense..............


Then I don't know what.


Gimme a fucking break.

That's bullshit.

You're whooshing me, no?

[Miller]

Originally Posted by Quint

I think an apology is due, and I am dumbfounded that any member of this message board who has taken the time to read the thread disagrees.

I think you got a couple extra syllables in that word.

[threemae]

Originally Posted by catsix

Considering the zealousness with which some doctors will pursue any test that the medical insurance is going to pay for, I don't think the comment was that assholish.

Wrong in this case, maybe, but it does describe a real phenomenon. He probably should've read everything before saying what he did, but I don't think this is anything more than a bit of a faux pas.

Yeah really, "the kid's had a CBC, he must have leukemia!" Hopefully everything turns out well for the infant in question, but what this guy did still isn't pit-worthy.

[JohnBckWLD]

Originally Posted by Quint

...just read this thread. I think you should go there right now and apologize. Seriously, just do it.

I will. I know full well how the emotions of 1st time parents get pulled in many different directions.

Originally Posted by Quint

I'm telling the guy that to preserve his human decency he should apologize, not pitting him for your entertainment.

I had no way of knowing my advice caused such trouble.

Originally Posted by Quint

(H)e's had three days to check on what he's posted, but has made no effort. I am still not here for anyone's entertainment, nor am I here to impress you with my invective. I think an apology is due

With the exception of the [url=http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=295744lame title[/url], I think your pitting of me is well-meaning, valiant and done with good intentions. Just to clarify, I wasn't ignoring the thread...I wasn't around. (I usually post from work and rarely read the board on weekends). If you felt an immediate response from me was due, you perhaps could have emailed me and asked for an explanation in the original IMHO thread.

inkleberry, I apologize. If my unorthodox advice icaused you distress in any way, I'm truly sorry. I hope & pray all works out OK for you all

I read the OP and probably the first 1/2 dozen posts, got distracted and posted. Mea Culpa. The only reason I posted to the thread was because I went through a very similar incident with my 2nd daughter a little over 7 years ago. I heard her 5 week old's screams as they gave her a spinal tap (because they don't allow parents in the room). I held her hand as they squeezed her between a cold table and some machine with radioactive isotopes. A week later, after the 3 of us were released from the hospital, the specialists and team of Dr.s still had no idea what caused her original symptoms and wrote it off as a virus. That experience went through my head as I did the math:

Originally Posted by inkleberry

(22 hours ago), he has gone through 22 diapers, of which 4 had poop. All 22 were filled with urine

My unprofessional non-mediacl specialist hunch was: 10 waking hours/22 diapers = Too much liquid (formula) and too many diaper checks/changes. I posted that assuming all parents know if something doesn't seem right, call the pediatrician - or get thee to an Emergency room.

Truth be told, I rarely post to 'advice treads' - Even less so following this train wreck. But, the way I see it, some of the advice found in that old pitting holds true today. In general terms (not necessarilly to this thread) I'd seriously recommend any and all message board advice seekers heed the following disclaimer:

Originally Posted by manhattan

If one opens an OP soliciting advice, it seems to me that one should expect and be grateful for the occasional unconventional suggestion, even if you subsequently conclude that the suggestion is a poor one in the specific instance

[JohnBckWLD]

Originally Posted by Quint

...just read this thread. I think you should go there right now and apologize. Seriously, just do it.

I will. I know full well how the emotions of 1st time parents get pulled in many different directions.

Originally Posted by Quint

I'm telling the guy that to preserve his human decency he should apologize, not pitting him for your entertainment.

I had no way of knowing my advice caused such trouble.

Originally Posted by Quint

(H)e's had three days to check on what he's posted, but has made no effort. I am still not here for anyone's entertainment, nor am I here to impress you with my invective. I think an apology is due

I will. I know full well how the emotions of 1st time parents get pulled in many different directions.

I had no way of knowing my advice caused such trouble.With the exception of the lame title, I think your pitting of me is well-meaning, valiant and done with good intentions. Just to clarify, I wasn't ignoring the thread...I wasn't around. (I usually post from work and rarely read the board on weekends). If you felt an immediate response from me was due, you perhaps could have emailed me and asked for an explanation in the original IMHO thread.

inkleberry, I apologize. If my unorthodox advice icaused you distress in any way, I'm truly sorry. I hope & pray all works out OK for you all

I read the OP and probably the first 1/2 dozen posts, got distracted and posted. Mea Culpa. The only reason I posted to the thread was because I went through a very similar incident with my 2nd daughter a little over 7 years ago. I heard her 5 week old's screams as they gave her a spinal tap (because they don't allow parents in the room). I held her hand as they squeezed her between a cold table and some machine with radioactive isotopes. A week later, after the 3 of us were released from the hospital, the specialists and team of Dr.s still had no idea what caused her original symptoms and wrote it off as a virus. That experience went through my head as I did the math:

Originally Posted by inkleberry

(22 hours ago), he has gone through 22 diapers, of which 4 had poop. All 22 were filled with urine

My unprofessional non-medical specialist hunch was: 10 waking hours/22 diapers = Too much liquid (formula) and too many diaper checks/changes. I posted that assuming all parents know if something doesn't seem right, call the pediatrician - or get thee to an Emergency room.

Truth be told, I rarely post to 'advice treads' - Even less so following this train wreck. But, the way I see it, some of the advice found in that old pitting holds true today. In general terms (not necessarilly to this thread) I'd seriously recommend any and all message board advice seekers heed the following disclaimer:

Originally Posted by manhattan

If one opens an OP soliciting advice, it seems to me that one should expect and be grateful for the occasional unconventional suggestion, even if you subsequently conclude that the suggestion is a poor one in the specific instance

Hope everyone has a happy, healthy & prosperous new year.

[duffer]

Originally Posted by Quint

You're the second... Lamest. Human. Ever.

[off-topic nitpick]

Only one can be lamest. Make up your mind.

[/off-topic nitpick]

[OxyMoron]

Ohferchrissake, Quint, stop snivelling. You're emoting, not thinking, and that does nothing for the Fight Against Ignorance. Honestly, you sound..."as if your head were going to come to a point in the next thirteen seconds."

[Quint]

Originally Posted by OxyMoron

You're emoting, not thinking.

I can accept that, that sounds about right.

I admire anyone who recognizes when they need to apologize and does so. JohnBckWLD, you're obviously a good guy, as your many defenders would indicate. That should probably wrap up the Lamest. Pitting. Ever.