Who do you want to win Survivor?

[David B]

Yeah, I actually watch the show and like it. So sue me.

I've been rooting for Richard for a while. He started right off trying to work, knows his plan and how things work now, etc. I also liked his comments about religion in yesterday's episode. (But I was favoring him anyway.)

That said, I don't think he will win. At some point, his alliance will break down (even if it's when it comes down to just the four of 'em) and they would be smart to turn on him immediately. Even if they don't, when they have the last 7 thrown off (besides the final 2) vote to see who stays, I bet they vote against him.

One other problem nags at me now. Either before the show started or just after, there was a report that one of the guys was charged with child abuse for making his son, who had gained some 20 pounds while the father was away, run laps until he was past exhaustion. When they showed the videos from home yesterday, Richard was the only one with a son. So unless it was one of those who was thrown off already (unlikely, since they weren't on the island long enough to have the kid gain that much weight -- unless they were away from home for a while before getting to the island), that means he was the one. If it IS him, and the charges are true, I have a real problem with that.

Not that who I want to win has any bearing on anything, of course, since it's already over, but, hey, we root for sports teams from home when it has no bearing, so what the heck.

[NothingMan]

Originally posted by David B
Either before the show started or just after, there was a report that one of the guys was charged with child abuse for making his son, who had gained some 20 pounds while the father was away, run laps until he was past exhaustion

Yep, that was indeed Richard, however it is a bit more complicated than you have heard. First off, the police have dropped any charges because it was the son who called them. (Pissed off kid looking for revenge ?) Second Richard claims that they were just jogging as they had always done prior to him leaving for the island . . . evidently upon his return the child had not been running and had no interest in doing so any longer. Finally, Richard is now suing the state (Rhode Island ?) for slander over this whole incident. So, who knows what the truth is ? IMHO it sounds a lot closer to a rebellious youth, than child abuse - but no one knows what happened except Rich and kid.

Back to the OP . . . I think Jenna and Richard stand the best chances (yeah I know she almost got knocked off last week, but I think surviving that close call makes her even stronger). As for who I want to win ? Well, I wouldn't mind looking at Colleen for the next month or so. Nice butt.

BTW was Greg joking this past week when he began sobbing ? Or was it real ? I taped the show and watched it about 5 times and I swear I cannot tell if he was faking it or not.



- NM

[SterlingNorth]

As the patron saint of charm, luck and sheer laziness, I'm rooting for Gervase.

That would affirm my belief that the hard workers are screwed over for the guy with the good smile.

Then he can accept the VP nomination on the Dubya ticket!

[boli]

Greg was totally fake crying. He was such a goofball, I can't believe anyone took him seriously.

I want anyone BUT Gervase or Richard to win. Gervase drives me nuts because he is so lazy and proud of it! He's flaunting it. I can't believe he hasn't got thrown off yet. Richard is a shifty, back-stabbing prick. I don't care if it is a game and you have to play strategy. I think it would say a lot if they voted for a nice, honest person (just about anyone else).

I also like Sean's method of voting people off - alphabetically.

Did anyone else feel horrible for Jenna when there was no video from her family?

[David B]

Well, I'm glad to hear the details on the thing with Richard. Makes me feel better about liking the guy on the show.

I agree with boli on Gervase. I mean, you may not like Richard playing politics, but he's the only one who's put food on the table, and that should count for something in a game that is supposed to mimic being stranded on an island!

As for voting for somebody honest, well, we know that both Susan and Kelly (I think that's her name) aren't honest, as they both lied during Tribal Council and said there was no voting bloc. Granted, they were put on the spot and it would have made things difficult if they had told the truth, and I think the host should have kept his f***ing yap shut, but still.

Yes, I felt horrible about Jenna. Half of me wondered if they might have done it on purpose to create an emotional moment, but I don't really think that's true. I do think it's kind of funny that Greg's video will be immediately followed home by, well, Greg. I also think it's funny that Sean's "alphabetical" voting strategy may have been the over-the-top vote for Greg, assuring that he lost that round.

I didn't understand Greg's statements when he voted for Jenna this time. He said something like, "The first time, it was for paranoia; the second for annoyance; now it's because my ear infection is getting better." Huh?

[Gazoo]

Personally, I'd like to see Rudy win it. I don't think he has a prayer though. I also think Richard should win it, but I don't think he will. I think the million will go to Gervase. Here's my take:

Rudy will get voted off once the alliance breaks down, as it eventualy will. (Same goes for Sue).

Richard deserves to win because (a) he does his share of work (hell, he's apparently the only one who can catch fish); (b) he's a leader; (c) Rudy and Sue already probably owe him - if it weren't for the alliance that he formed, they'd probably be gone by now. (By the way, who exactly has he backstabbed? And why is he the only one that is criticized for the alliance?)

Gervase will win because the alliance, led by Richard, will need to vote a woman off next week, so he's safe for another week. His air of inneptitude actually helps him at this point as well, he doesn't seem to be a threat. Add in the fact that all he does is eat, sleep, and play cards, and you realize why he kicked ass in the last immunity challenge - he's got much more energy for that stuff than the people who are actually working!


All of the above is of course, IMHO.

[CrankyAsAnOldMan]

Personally, I'd be more than happy to have the French mistakenly do a nuclear test on this same island and have 'em all die.

This is one of these shows that I didn't watch at first, and now feel like it would only annoy me to watch since I missed the early segments and have heard so much secondhand--and yet I keep hearing about it and feel vaguely like I am missing something good! Argh!

[Saint Zero]

I'll call the French Government and see if we can't have a nuclear test there. I'm all for a happy ending to the series.

[Gazoo]

Cranky-
While I think the whole "deserted island" thing is cheesy and fake, it's the group dynamics and sociological aspects that keep me tuned in.

[Diceman]

Rumor is that Gervase will win. Supposedly there was a screwup on the website of whoever makes this show (I don't watch it). For a little while, people could access a picture of all 16 survivors. Everyone was crossed off except Gervase. Something to think about...

[gobear]

I, too, felt horrible for Jenna when her video did not arrive. I hope she gave her mom an earful for that. Gervaise is such a parasite he will get voted off soon. Rudy is toast, as well. As a gay man, I dig Richard being the tough guy who brings home the fish while the straight guys are mostly ineffectual. It's a nice rebuttal to stereotypes.
A woman will win, because I see a gender block forming in a week or so which will replace the Tagi alliance. My pick to win? Colleen.
Was anyone else creeped out by the way Greg talked about his sister?

[SwimmingRiddles]

According to [url="http://www.eonline.com/News/Court/0007.survivor.html" eonline [/url], Rich woke his 10 year old son up at 4:30 in the morning, forced him to go running, and "roughed him up" when the kid failed to please him. And did you SEE that video from the kid? A more emotionless child I have never seen in my life. Richard annoyed me before, but now I actively hate him.

I hope Jenna wins, a single mom of two is a hard thing to be, and she could use the money. And she deserves it. I don't know why they thought voting her off would get her home faster, they have to stay for another 15 days to vote between the final two.

But I'd put my money on Gervase. They'll vote Sean off before Gervase, and once that happens, Gervase will win every immunity challenge. Then, when it is between either Gervase and Sue or Rich, the 7 people coming back will DEFINATELY vote for Gervase.

I've put WAY too much thought on this.

[SwimmingRiddles]

lets try that again. eonline

[xizor]

I agree with swimming riddles, that all the losers coming back to vote for the winner will be Richard's downfall. He has pissed off too many of the other contestants. I think it will be Sean or Colleen that wins, they are the ones who have seemed to make the fewest enemies.

[handy]

Richard is supposed to be gay & he has a son? Guess he was straight once. Some people may not like him sitting his bare ass around all the time, either.

Gervase is all personality & is sure to be voted off soon.
Better hope there are no more swimming challenges.

Everytime there is a rumor someone wins, that person gets voted off soon. Every notice that?

So, I'd vote for Rudy.

[gobear]

Richard is supposed to be gay & he has a son? Guess he was straight once. Some people may not like him sitting his bare ass around all the time, either.

Richard adopted the kid, who has a history of emotional problems.

[lswote]

It looks like most the people posting in this thread are not following any of the stories floating around about Survivor, but as an avid follower of survivorsucks.com I know a lot about how things on the show turn out and all I can say is ... *my lips are sealed*. Since the OP was about who you would like to win, my vote goes for Jenna. I wish she would win and then on the plane home bump into me and we could do the double-conga till the cows came home.

[DoctorJ]

A few questions from someone who has never even glanced at an episode of the show:

--Is there anything keeping, say, the last four contestants from agreeing to split the money? That's how it often happens in small-time poker tournaments. If it were me, I would definitely take a sure $250,000 over a 1-in-4 shot at a million.

--Is anyone in Vegas making odds?

Dr. J

[handy]

Yes, someone in vegas did the odds but only for Big Brother.

" who had gained
some 20 pounds while the father was away, run laps until he was past
exhaustion"

Richard is kinda fat himself. i wonder what's up with that?

[SterlingNorth]

Originally posted by DoctorJ
A few questions from someone who has never even glanced at an episode of the show:

--Is there anything keeping, say, the last four contestants from agreeing to split the money? That's how it often happens in small-time poker tournaments. If it were me, I would definitely take a sure $250,000 over a 1-in-4 shot at a million.

From what I hear, they had to sign a contract to not 'fix' the game, but that wouldn't stop someone if they were shameless enough.

[Demigod#5]

Richard is a conniving, lying ass. Either everyone else is too lazy to learn how to get food in his place, or the others are afraid they'll become targets if they try to take his safety throne as food provider.
Gervase is rumored to have won (like others have said), and even as a skeptic to rumors, I do have a slight belief in this one. Probably just because I'd love for the lazy idiot to win. In one episode, they showed a shot of him standing around doing nothing while the girl next to him was carrying every canteen possible. I love that. Even if he doesn't win, he deserves some applause for lasting this long while doing absolutely nothing.

[BiblioCat]

I think it will come down to Gervase and either Richard or Susan. Everyone else (the 7 who get to vote on the winner) will vote for Gervase as a way of NOT voting for Richard or Susan, because they both pissed off so many others before they left. I hate to think his lazy ass will win. It's obvious he's lazy, but does he have to be so damn smug about it?

I think the Tagi alliance will drop-kick Sean out next week, followed by Jenna and Colleen.

Did you hear the latest? Kelly is wanted in North Carolina for credit card fraud. Seems they found her through the show....what a dummy!

Anyone know why Greg refused to do the after-show interview on "The Early Show"?

[Demigod#5]

I think Greg's fake crying was a simple cover against showing any real emotions. He had to of been upset by the votes, the levity just kept everyone from noticing it.

[Sam Stone]

Gervase may be a little more cunning than people are giving him credit for. It's obvious that once the teams mixed, being seen as a threat would be a huge liability. Has anyone noticed how Gervase has claimed to be completely useless at everything, yet always comes up a winner when it benefits him? He claimed he couldn't swim, and was a lousy rower, but he crushed the professional rafter in the canoe, and managed to hold his breath underwater for more than 2 minutes. He sure looked like he could swim during THAT challenge. He made a big show about being a big wimp who was unable to eat those bugs on the second show, but when the chips were down he gulped them as fast as possible. Last night he crushed the other players in the immunity challenge.

Gervase could easily win it all, simply by winning the next few immunity challenges. If he survives long enough for the alliance to collapse, they'll probably start sniping at each other, allowing him to coast through. If he turns out to be second-last with one of the alliance members, he'll get the winning votes simply because of the bitterness over the alliance and how they lied about it.

[ricepad]

I hope the rats win, and eat the remaining contestants...

[David B]

dhanson: I don't see how holding his breath means Gervase can swim. Holding your breath is a measure of fitness (and lung capacity). He was in the top 3 there, but when it came to the second part -- swimming -- he didn't even bother. He knew he couldn't do it and didn't try.

I was planning to post something here asking that nobody give away the rumor related to the CBS website, but I see I'm too late for that. Ah well. I still have a hard time believing it's Gervase.

[handy]

I know several months before the show opened that they said someone comitted suicide who was voted off the island. Now, I wonder who that is?

[Montfort]

Originally posted by handy
I know several months before the show opened that they said someone comitted suicide who was voted off the island. Now, I wonder who that is?

This is news to me, but you can eliminate those who have been voted off already, since they've all been interviewed on Letterman and the CBS morning show post-eviction.

And, you can eliminate Richard, Kelly, and Rudy because they've been in the news elsewise since leaving the island.

So, that leaves Sean, Gervase, Colleen, and Susan left who could've killed themselves. I would imagine this would've been in the news, though, so I really doubt it's happened.

At the least, though, I hope it's not Colleen. I'm still awaiting her to get offered a million by Playboy to pose nude, a la Darva Conger, if she doesn't win it from the show.

[Feynn]

Initially I didn't watch the show but since other people are do I have been sucked in...

I like Rudy, he is straightforward and oftentimes plain ornery. He doesn't have a hope and he said as much himself. If he got down to the final two things might be different. If it was him and Gervase people might give Rudy the vote just for contributing more.

Richard is an arrogant weasel. I believe that he will get voted off just because he is such a strong competitor.

I can't really make any prediction, they are all snakes and could turn on each other at any time. At least Rudy is a snake and says so.

[Demigod#5]

...and Rudy because they've been in the news elsewise since leaving the island

What was Rudy in the news for? Whining about the youth and complaining when he doesn't get his way?

[SkeptiJess]

Actually, Handy, it was someone from the original european (I can't remember which country) version of Survivor (or Big Brother) who committed suicide.

[Montfort]

Originally posted by Demigod#5

What was Rudy in the news for? Whining about the youth and complaining when he doesn't get his way?

Rudy won some fishing tournament down in VA Beach recently by catching a really big fish. I guess he was taking notes from Richard...

[David B]

Feynn: I like Rudy also. I think it's interesting how he went from nearly being booted at the first vote to rarely even GETTING a vote now. (Yeah, his part in the alliance helps, but still.)

For whoever asked about why Greg wasn't on the CBS morning show, I happened to be watching VH1 yesterday (flipping channels) and saw a "video Survivor" show. They started with 16 videos, and each person who gets kicked off gets to remove a video, 'til they're down to one. This week they had the producer of the show cast a vote because they said Greg doesn't want to deal with any media.

My guess would be that he does not think his experience on this show was a good one and he just wants to leave it behind. Besides, you KNOW that any show will ask him about his sexual activities while on the island, since they were mentioned several times.

[Montfort]

Originally posted by David B
My guess would be that he does not think his experience on this show was a good one and he just wants to leave it behind. Besides, you KNOW that any show will ask him about his sexual activities while on the island, since they were mentioned several times.

I'm curious, then, what Colleen will say when she leaves (well, she already left, but you know what I mean). Apparently in the next episode Sean and/or Gervase make a move on her.

[lswote]

Originally posted by Montfort
I'm curious, then, what Colleen will say when she leaves (well, she already left, but you know what I mean). Apparently in the next episode Sean and/or Gervase make a move on her.

Really? That is interesting. Based on some evidence I saw on survivorsucks.com I was wondering if she might have hooked up with someone. There is a picture of her touching someone in a very friendly manner.

[David B]

Montfort said:

Apparently in the next episode Sean and/or Gervase make a move on her.

Well, they must figure that if she was easy enough to sleep with Greg-the-nut, she'd sleep with anybody!

[2sense]

I like Rich.
I hope he wins, but I do agree that more footage of Colleen would be a plus.

[NothingMan]

Originally posted by David B
I didn't understand Greg's statements when he voted for Jenna this time. He said something like, "The first time, it was for paranoia; the second for annoyance; now it's because my ear infection is getting better." Huh?

I understood this statement to mean : at first he voted for her because he thought she was against him, then because she was annoying and finally "ear infection getting better" - David, ever been around a female who just wouldn't shut the hell up ? I found Greg's line to be quite funny.

Local news here in Greensboro, NC this past week was that Kelli has warrants here for using a stolen credit card in town. Guess she will be staying out west for awhile.

I too thought it was odd Greg did not talk to any media. You know, while other Survivors had jobs ("rafting guide", etc.) Greg's name just had the line "Ivy League Graduate". Sounds to me like the kid is a slacker.

[kellibelli]

I want Richard to win - he should too! Without him, the whole tagi tribe would have been reduced to eating rats like the slackers of pagong.

As far as this kid business.... if the cops arent pressing charges, and he is suing the state for slander, I have to beleive he is innocent. You cant base a conviction on the kid being 'emotionless' on the video, anymore than you can prove Rich's innocence by saying how incredibly happy he seemed to be when he saw his kid.

I HATE Garvais, but is his kid ever sweet! He also has a baby on the way, and 2 other kids (total of 4) - and he has never been married. If he wins, at least the moms will get some child support!

[Demigod#5]

I didn't realize Gervase was so friendly with the flexible ladies. Hmm...I think I actually have some respect for him now.

[Jman]

POSSIBLE SPOILER:

Well, I also follow survivorsucks.com, and if the people there are right, (which they have been the last 5 weeks), and from some photographic proof I've seen, the alliance will DEFINITELY break down, and...only one of the Tagi Alliance makes it to the final four. (Won't ruin who)

BTW, I hope Gervase wins. It's not about working, it's a paid vacation. The people who think it's about busting your ass are missing the point. Sure, you need to have shelter and food, but that's working out great. What's Gervase supposed to do, learn to spearfish? He can't even swim well. That said...I think he's a nice guy. Hope he wins. (and perhaps the GervaseX theory is correct.)

Jman

[Mr. Cynical]

I want Jenna to win, then I want her to come and pick me up at my office, and whisk me away to the back of a Suzuki and show me her pert lil' boobies all night, and then we could go have threesomes with her hot friends.

She would continue to work, and I would kick back at the mansion with cold beer, the cubbies on WGN, and all of her sexxxy girlfriends at my disposal.

Wait, this wasn't the Survivor Fantasy thread?

[tracer]

Darva Conger.

I mean, she's a finalist, and actually has a chance to marry that multi-millionaire now, right?

Or am I thinking of Jeopardy?

[David B]

NothingMan: I was thinking that might have been what Greg meant, but wasn't sure. It seemed too easy.

Jman: The clips from last week's show for this week's show indicate that Kelly may be breaking out of the alliance. I think she'd be stupid to do so, but there are plenty of stupid people on that island. Also, I don't trust the clips because they are always taken out of context to make the next show look much more interesting. For example, the clips for this past week (which were shown the week before) showed Richard asking, "OK, so who voted for me last week?" in what appeared to be a fighting way. In fact, he had just caught fish and was joking around. But it was more interesting to see it out of context.

If the alliance does break up, I'm going to go into conspiratorial mode and wonder if the show's producers had anything to do with it (off-camera, obviously). It's bad enough that the host asks the alliance members about the alliance in front of all the other people, but I wouldn't be surprised if the staff figured it wouldn't be as interesting if the alliance stayed together and just picked off the rest.

Following on that, and I think I've mentioned it before, I really am annoyed that the host doesn't keep his yap shut at Tribal Council. If they are playing this up as the people on the island making the decisions, then he should just shut up and let them do it.

[mrblue92]

I really am annoyed that the host doesn't keep his yap shut at Tribal Council.

I agree completely. I think one of the luxury challenges should be for the right to beat the crap out of him.

[David B]

Or Richard could spear him (with the spear, not what you were thinking!) and they could use him for bait!

[DKW]

Hey everyone. To tell you the truth, I didn't really show much interest in this show at first, but ya know...huge media events have a way of creeping up on you. Anyway, the first ep I saw was the day of the big merge (#7, I believe). It's pretty compelling, even if the "survival" aspects are more implied than real.

I think most of the criticism (of which I've heard justified once or twice, at the very most) stems from the fact that a lot of this hits too close too home. I mean, we'd like to believe that our society is always civil and polite and altruistic etc., and every time that illusion is broken, it rubs us the wrong way. (In high school, this was pretty much a daily occurence for me. ) It's unsettling to hear...Kelly, was it? Or maybe Susan...state pretty bluntly that no one's out to make friends, that it's a cutthroat contest, but much more so to know that we'd do exactly the same thing if we were in that position.

Anyway, as for my favorite to win it all...I don't have one. I wish I had some clue, but after the week 7 bombshell I don't think anyone is safe. Gervase, he has a slim chance, but I just don't see an admitted beach bum winning, no matter how charming.

[Mr. Cynical]

Originally posted by NothingMan
BTW was Greg joking this past week when he began sobbing? Or was it real? I taped the show and watched it about 5 times and I swear I cannot tell if he was faking it or not.

You betcha it was fake! I forgot to mention this before, and I apologize for it.

When he was walking off, you can hear him say something like "I don't need anything! Except this."

He was quoting Navin R. Johnson, Steve Martin's character in The Jerk. Fitting title for Greg, to be sure.

[NothingMan]

Originally posted by NothingMan
I think Jenna and Richard stand the best chances (yeah I know she almost got knocked off last week, but I think surviving that close call makes her even stronger).

Ok, I was wrong about Jenna. If the previews for next week are to be believed, Kelly and Sue are gona break off and vote against Richard. We shall see.

Sean is a freakin moron. Take a stand dammit ! He contributed directly to getting Jenna thrown off, with that weak "I don't think this is gonna make a difference blah blah blah smegma." If only Sue had pissed him off enough by saying all that stuff about him "having no balls" (which is true) - maybe Sean would have voted for her . . . leaving a tie between Jenna and Rich ! Then what would have happened ?? Anybody know what they do in the event of a tie ?

[David B]

Heh, I think it's great that Sean was the swing vote. You could tell by his face that he felt like an idiot -- and well he should! He knew there was a voting bloc, and he was making it known who he was voting for. So they made him the swing vote, the dummy!

I do have to say that Richard isn't looking good. Three votes against him already (though one was from Jenna) and Sue making that remark for next week about getting rid of him. I think she's more Machiavellian than he is!

And, I gotta say, he isn't acting nearly as smart as he did before. I think the power has gone to his head. He seemed to think he had a lock and could do whatever the hell he damn well pleased. Well, if that involves pissing people off, it doesn't work that way, Rich. He needs to smarten up.

I may have to switch my vote to Rudy. I just think he's pretty funny. But with the way things are going, I can see how Gervase could indeed be the winner. Right now, it's a "don't piss anybody else off" contest.