"Ninja Death Touch"

Dear Cecil:

Is there such a thing as the “touch of death” in martial arts? Can I walk up to someone, pinch them in a certain spot, and kill them instantly? I’ve heard people swear such a thing exists, but I find it extremely hard to believe. --Jon Huff, via E-mail

Cecil replies:

Even martial arts enthusiasts don’t take this one too seriously, except for the impressionable souls who think assassins used the touch of death to kill kung fu star Bruce Lee in 1973. (The more widely held view says he was done in by an allergic reaction to painkillers.) One smartarse on a martial arts message board observes, “One time I hit a guy in a pressure point, and he EXPLODED! It was like something out of a video game man! I swear, there is a point somewhere that makes a human being just burst into giblets if you hit it right!” However, we scientists don’t dismiss such phenomena antecedent to inquiry. Having browsed the medical literature, I’d say the verdict on whether this mysterious Oriental skill has any basis in reality is as follows: The touch of death, no. The less-forceful-blow-than-you-might-expect of death, occasionally yes.

Known in Cantonese as dim mak and in Japanese as kyusho jitsu, the touch of death is said to be something like acupuncture’s evil twin. The idea is that chi, or energy, flows through the body along lines called meridians. A blow or squeeze applied to certain pressure points on these lines will supposedly put the whammy on the victim’s chi, leading to incapacitation or death. Though none of the techniques of dim mak seems likely to work consistently as advertised, medical journals describe many incidents in which a seemingly mild trauma results in disproportionately serious injury, and the sites of some such traumas correlate with dim mak pressure points. Cases like these include:

* Commotio cordis, also known as cardiac concussion. This is a syndrome in which a nonpenetrating impact to the chest causes heart failure but little or no structural damage. The classic victim is a kid or young adult who takes a baseball, hockey puck, or other hard object in the chest, but a 44-year-old teacher died when she caught an elbow while breaking up a fight at school. About half the time the victim collapses immediately, and in the balance of cases within a minute or two. Death is thought to result from ventricular fibrillation, a state in which the lower heart chambers start fluttering and stop pumping blood. One study of 128 cases found that 84 percent of the victims died, and nearly all the survivors received prompt defibrillation. Relatively little force is required for the killing blow--one researcher estimates that the blunt instrument need be moving at only 30 mph. Don't think this is something you'll be able to pull on the next ninja who leaps from the shadows, though. Animal experiments suggest that you’d have to strike within a 15-20 millisecond window in the heartbeat cycle to have a reasonably good chance of taking down your attacker.

* Trauma to the carotid artery. Located in the side of the neck, the carotid artery provides blood to the head. Pressure on the carotid sinus, an especially sensitive area where the artery divides into two branches, can damage the blood vessel walls, leading to stroke followed by partial paralysis, other neurological problems, and, once in a while, death. The precipitating event can be surprisingly trivial--a karate chop has been known to do it, but so has the strain of playing the French horn.

* Miscellaneous unexplained injuries. A 13-year-old girl fell in gym class, struck her head on the crossbar of a hurdle, and died. Finding little obvious trauma and stumped for a cause of death, doctors blamed "transmission of a concussive force through the reticular activating system." Michael Kelly, an osteopath and author of Death Touch: The Science Behind the Legend of Dim Mak (2001), claims that the hurdle hit the girl on the "bladder-10" pressure point at the base of the skull, "one of the most lethal dim mak points."

Case reports suggest that incidents like the above are mostly accidents, more often than not unrelated to martial arts training or theory. The question remains: Can some dim mak practitioners achieve these results at will? I’m skeptical, but sometimes you have to wonder. In a 1999 report in the Journal of Sports Medicine and Physical Fitness, C. Terry et al tested a dozen participants in a demonstration of kyusho jitsu pressure-point techniques intended to produce “knockouts.” Experts hit the volunteers with successive blows at prescribed spots, e.g., just above the right wrist, just above the right elbow, and in the middle of the back. The recurring result: a “period of unresponsiveness” lasting from 11 to 55 seconds. The tests, which included EEGs and the like, showed no loss of blood flow to the brain or other obvious physiological cause. Were the KOees going into a hypnosislike trance or faking it? The authors think not, commenting, “The exact mechanism for this phenomenon remains uncertain.” I’m not about to invoke chi and meridians, but it’s possible there’s more going on here than we currently understand.

–CECIL ADAMS

There is a thing such as the “Ninja Death Touch”. It’s called Dim Mak, or Devil Hands. It’s the art of hitting certain pressure points on the body. In some cases the victoms die instantly, in other cases, it may take up to 7 years for death. However, it isn’t all about death, it’s about healing too. When you are injured there are certain points on your body that you can touch or hit in order to stop the pain signals from going to your brain. It of course still causes damaage to the body, but you can’t feel it.

-Naifu

Kinda defeats the purpose there, doesn’t it?

No, you CAN kill them instantly if you so choose, or you can hospitalize them for 7 years. It’s the choice of the attacker.

Round here, we ask for evidence of claims. Can you prove that this kinda thing exists? Did you see it happen once, that kinda thing?

For if you can prove it, grasshopper, it appears it truly would be the real ultimate power!

Yes I do know it really exists. Not only do I practice it, I have seen it done many times. Google it, there are even online classes and books about it.

Can you only hospitalize someone for say, 5 years, by hitting a different spot? Or would you have to just reduce your hitting force?

Careful there, mate, I’m not sure you want to be admitting to killing anyone on a message board.

No, YOU google it. You’re the one making the claim-you provide your sources.

Careful, don’t offend him! He’s killed people, you know!!

Around here that’s an invalid supporting argument. He who makes the claim must provide his supporting sources. Preferably sources that examine the phenomenon through real hard, materialistic, laboratory-and-college-degree science. And not so much about the pretty-much-accepted part of there being specially lethal contact points, but about the kind of prowess involved in “kill or hospitalize for 7 years, at choice” :dubious:

ROFL not at all what i meant! I mean I know some of the pressure points and affects…!!Lol

Dim mak (death touch) is an ancient martial art that consists of striking certain points on the body to cause illness or death. The points are usually called dim mak points, but they are also referred to as vital points and pressure points. The majority of these points correspond to the same locations as acupuncture points. Dim mak is an extremely dangerous martial art, which can cause a great deal of damage to the human body. The effects of attacking the dim mak points include knockout, death, and a delayed death. Many have seen videotapes and seminars where a subject looses consciousness after being struck on certain points. Although this is a very dramatic demonstration method, it could have dangerous consequences.

Many believe that dim mak was created centuries ago by the same man who is believed to have developed the original tai chi form. Some have postulated that this form contained the founder’s methods of attacking the most dangerous dim mak points. According to legend, this knowledge spread rapidly and influenced the development of many Chinese martial arts. These martial arts then influenced the ancient Okinawan martial art called karate. It is believed by many that the traditional katas of the Okinawan martial arts also contain the secrets of striking the dim mak points. This is interesting because Okinawan karate has had a major impact on the martial arts of Korea and Japan. Thus, it is conceivable that the traditional katas of these other martial arts could also contain the secrets of dim mak.

In the past, this knowledge was only taught to the most advanced and trusted students. As the martial arts spread around the world, the knowledge of dim mak (pressure point fighting) remained in seclusion. Thus, the true nature of many martial arts remained shrouded in secrecy. Recently this tradition of secrecy has been broken and there are martial arts masters who teach the methods of attacking the points to the public. This information is now available at seminars, in books, and on videotapes. Although this has had a positive effect on the martial arts, it does raise the issue of safety.

In most instances, dim mak is explained and taught using ancient theories based on acupuncture. Although this has been the tradition for many years, it has led to a great deal of skepticism and confusion. Because of this, many have disregarded the warnings about dim mak and started to experiment with the points. This practice could have tragic consequences. If the dangerous effects of dim mak could be explained scientifically, the warnings about the points might have more credibility. There is a definite need for a reference on dim mak that is based on modern medical science.

Dr. Michael Kelly has spent years studying the medical effects of dim mak and has found a great deal of medical research that provides evidence of dim mak’s lethal effects. He has compiled all of his research into a new book, which explains the effects of dim mak on the nervous and cardiovascular systems. Topics such as the delayed death touch, knockouts, and attacking the internal organs are explained in detail using modern medical science. The book has been written in a format that will assist one in finding the dim mak applications contained within the traditional forms of many styles.

The initial chapter starts off with a brief introduction to the history of dim mak, and then goes on to explain the essential elements of neuroscience needed to understand the remaining chapters. Dr. Kelly then takes his reader through a comprehensive explanation of the relationship between dim mak and medical science. Included are separate chapters on knockouts, attacking the internal organs, and dim mak’s effects on the heart. The last couple of chapters explain the medical science behind the revival techniques and attempt to tie all the information together so that the reader can start to find the dim mak applications contained within their own style. This book is a must have for all serious students of the martial arts and anyone with an interest in the diabolical art of dim mak.

http://www.dimmak.net/

I wasn’t saying to google it because I didn’t know where info on Dim Mak was located, I was saying it because Google provides good info on it.

Also, I noticed Atticus Finch called me a “him”, I am a “her”. Just letting you guys know:)

I knew a guy who got hit on his pressure points. Ten years later, BOOM, herpes.

Can Dim Mak cure my migraines? What if the practitioner hits the wrong spot. Might that kill me seven years later instead?

I would be also interested in the answer to Samclems’ question.

Can Dim Mak cure my migraines? What if the practitioner hits the wrong spot. Might that kill me seven years later instead?

I would be also interested in the answer to Samclems question.

Naifu, I went to the one link you provided, and no evidence whatsoever was presented, though many books, pamphlets and videos that claimed to have the evidence were offered. I then went to the links provided on that website and found, among the links that still worked, pretty much the same thing. I saw claims involving accupuncture and accupressure, a rare unamed and unprovided scientific study that was supposedly done, and books and videos for sale.

No you can’t kill some one 5 years, instead of 7, later by reducing the amount of pressure, it’s the spots you hit. The healing part of Dim Mak “cures” pain in the way of if you get a knife shoved through your arm you could press just underneath the shoulder blade and stop the apin signal. It doesn’t “cure” it, only stops the pain so that you may take care of the pain // wound later. However, if you get kicked in the head or something of the sort, that is the hardest to stop, because the signals dont have far to go. Your hands have to move lightning fast to get to the spot before your first pain signal goes through.

As I said, I practice it. I know it exists, it has been practiced in Japan for a number of years.

You’d think the Japanese would stress efficient ways to kill a guy.
Involving giant robots.