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Old 05-04-2006, 09:30 AM
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Star Trek uniform question

In this MPSIMS thread concerning women tugging their too-short shirts, CalMeacham cracked me up with his suggestion that they wanted to be Jean Luc Picard. http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...=369545&page=2

Which got me wondering - why DID they design Next Gen uniforms so that they were tugging at their shirts everytime they stood up?
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Old 05-04-2006, 09:32 AM
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I once heard William Frankes describe that as 'The Picard Manuver'. He implied that Patrick Stewart started it for whatever reason and the rest picked it up from him as a conscious mannerism.
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Old 05-04-2006, 09:36 AM
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Indeed, Picard was able to destroy a Ferengi ship with The Picard Maneuver. He tugged at his uniform, and the Ferengi became so busy wondering why Starfleet would issue such ill-fitting uniforms that they forgot to fire their weapons.
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Old 05-04-2006, 09:40 AM
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The material didn't stretch, and tended to 'bunch up' in the front when the actors sat down. That's why they tug at them when they stand back up. You notice it more in Picard because he sits and stands more often than the others, who stand more of the time.

As far as WHY they designed them that way - I don't think it was on purpose. They wanted costumes that were not too expensive and could be used over and over again, with less thought to what was most comfortable or practical for the wearer.
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Old 05-04-2006, 09:43 AM
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At least the female characters weren't picking miniskirts out of their rear-ends.
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Old 05-04-2006, 11:18 AM
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At least the female characters weren't picking miniskirts out of their rear-ends.
Ummm...did you see some of the first season episodes? Not only did they have those miniskirts (Troi wore one for a while), but some of the men wore them, too!
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Old 05-04-2006, 11:22 AM
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The material didn't stretch, and tended to 'bunch up' in the front when the actors sat down. That's why they tug at them when they stand back up. You notice it more in Picard because he sits and stands more often than the others, who stand more of the time.

As far as WHY they designed them that way - I don't think it was on purpose. They wanted costumes that were not too expensive and could be used over and over again, with less thought to what was most comfortable or practical for the wearer.
I seem to remember an interview with Patrick Stewart where he stated that the first season TNG costumes caused back problems for the cast because the tight material compressed their spines?

So I guess the mark 2 uniforms would have been considerably more comfortable.
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Old 05-04-2006, 12:23 PM
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I seem to remember an interview with Patrick Stewart where he stated that the first season TNG costumes caused back problems for the cast because the tight material compressed their spines?

So I guess the mark 2 uniforms would have been considerably more comfortable.

Right. The jumpsuits seemed to create too many problems. On the Arsenio Hall Show, Stewart said also "they would ride up and become too tight in spots that would threaten my newfound status as sex symbol".

It's very simple really: In real-life, you can look sharp, or be comfortable.
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Old 05-04-2006, 12:34 PM
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Plus, a tight-fitting suit fits fewer people, and they needed to build up a wardrobe of loaner uniforms.

Side note: Patrick Stewart was at a SF con once doing Q&A. Somebody asked him how much the new uniforms cost to make, and he said he didn't know, so he turned to one of the production staff who was also there and was told they cost $3,000 apiece. He was aghast at the idea that when he has his senior staff with him, that's $15,000 worth of costumes.

I assume that subsequent versions costs less...
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Old 05-04-2006, 01:25 PM
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Not only did they have those miniskirts (Troi wore one for a while), but some of the men wore them, too!
I'm pretty sure I've seen all the episodes, but I've never once seen one of the guys wearing a miniskirt. Perhaps you can post a link to a pic?
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Old 05-04-2006, 01:25 PM
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They are in the background in a scene or two of "Encounter At Farpoint."
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Old 05-04-2006, 01:27 PM
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Old 05-04-2006, 02:26 PM
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Thanks, all.
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Old 05-04-2006, 02:33 PM
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Ummm...did you see some of the first season episodes? Not only did they have those miniskirts (Troi wore one for a while), but some of the men wore them, too!
Not for long, though. The network wouldn't let Roddenberry get away with anything that even suggests homosexuality still exists in the 24th Century. Discussed in this thread: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=368076
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Old 05-04-2006, 05:27 PM
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Not for long, though. The network wouldn't let Roddenberry get away with anything that even suggests homosexuality still exists in the 24th Century. Discussed in this thread: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=368076
In Starfleet, Rear-Admiral is only a rank, not a privilege.

I'd forgotten all about those early miniskirts. I stand corrected.
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Old 05-04-2006, 11:56 PM
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Sweet merciful Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan! It looks like he pissed off a producer or something.

"You want to be in Star Trek? Fine. Put this on."
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Old 05-05-2006, 12:20 AM
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Heck, Picard didn't invent the thing. Spock does the exact same move in Star Trek II after he struggles to his feet, lethally poisoned by irradiation. It's of some significance because it shows that even at the brink of death, Spock maintains his dignity. Probably also Leonard Nimoy had had to shoot the scene over and over and his costume was bunching up.
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Old 05-05-2006, 09:36 AM
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Not for long, though. The network wouldn't let Roddenberry get away with anything that even suggests homosexuality still exists in the 24th Century. Discussed in this thread: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=368076
Well, not unless it's hot women making out. Which is okay. Especially if one of them is evil. And hot. Did I mention that part?
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Old 05-05-2006, 09:50 AM
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What, the hotness? Yeah. I think you did.
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Old 05-05-2006, 10:47 AM
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Slight Hijack

This thread stirred a memory. I seem to recall that the uniforms worn by the US spaceship in "FORBIDDEN PLANET" were the same as were seen in "THE TIME MAINE"-and on several episodes of the "TWILIGHT ZONE". sOI, DO MOST STUDIOS SHARE COSTUMES? ITS FUN TO SPECULATE ON WHAT PEOPLE IN THE FUTURE MIGHT WEAR-MY PERSONAL preference would be to find 23rd-century humans dressing like the styles of ca 1890 or so. I certainly don't think that our SCI-Fi future includes togas and capes (like in "THE SHAPE OF THINGS TO COME"). i just like the idea that future people migh revive styles of the past. Actually, wouldn't star fleet duty dictate a pretty informal standard of dress? probably like serving on a submarine-coveralls with small badges of rank.
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Old 05-05-2006, 01:54 PM
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Well, not unless it's hot women making out. Which is okay. Especially if one of them is evil. And hot. Did I mention that part?
And this being a Star Trek thread, one has to be Borg.
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Old 05-05-2006, 02:58 PM
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And this being a Star Trek thread, one has to be Borg.
One or both of them being a trill symbiont seems to work also.
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