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Old 12-04-2006, 05:04 PM
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writing erotica for money - how to get started?

I am a pretty decent writer of erotica and was thinking perhaps I could use my talent to earn some extra money.

But I'm not sure how to get started - I was contemplating writing custom stuff and selling it on the 'net, or submitting stories to erotic publishers.

Any thoughts / suggestions / ideas?
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Old 12-04-2006, 06:29 PM
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There's actually a book called "How to Write Erotica," or something like that. My brother has a copy.
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Old 12-04-2006, 06:41 PM
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Is erotica like the stuff in Penthouse Letters? I'd say the first thing to do is track down a thesaurus for genetalia, and then write 'em like Mad Libs.
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Old 12-04-2006, 07:20 PM
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go to www.erotica-writers.com (link is work safe), then go to the Writer's Resources and see what they have to say. They have lots of good stuff to get you started.

Do you write erotica romance? There is a huge market for, in print and online, for erotica romance. The more specialized your genre (fantasy, sci-fi, 3some, m/m, some combination of all) the more you'll sell. Do some market research using the link I provided as a starting point.
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Old 12-04-2006, 11:27 PM
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Black Lace publishes erotic novels and anthologies and accepts submissions from new authors. Their website is www*blacklace-books*co*uk (substitute periods for the asterisks). They supposedly only accept work from female authors but I don't know how serious they are about that.
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Old 12-05-2006, 12:15 AM
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Black Lace is pretty serious about its submission guidelines. I've had some contact with the editor, and she made it pretty clear that they reject manuscripts unread if they don't fall match all their guidelines.
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Old 12-05-2006, 12:28 AM
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But if I were to submit a story "My Hot Lesbian Lover" by Nema Little and it was otherwise acceptable, would they insist on a notarized proof of gender or just accept my implied statement that I'm a woman?
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Old 12-05-2006, 12:41 AM
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I dunno. Since I'm a girl, that never came up. I guess there's only one way to find out.
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Old 12-05-2006, 12:44 AM
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Remind me to come back to this thread. I've been published in the genre.

You probably won't get rich doing it. But it's fun.
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Old 12-05-2006, 09:11 AM
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OK, here's how to make a million dollars writing erotica for money ... start with two millioin dollars ...
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Old 12-05-2006, 09:39 AM
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Let me tell you how I become successful writing erotica.

I was delivering pizzas for Pizza Hut, and got a call from a publishing company. When I knocked on the editor's door, I heard a woman say, "Come." I went in and there she was, this beautiful, sultry, sexy woman behind the desk.

"I hope you brought the hot sausage," she said...
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Old 12-05-2006, 12:40 PM
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Have you looked on (no link, maybe NSFW) literotica? I've submitted a couple of stories there that got decent reviews, but I was somewhat overwhelmed by number of submissions. I got bumped off of the 'new stories' page within a couple of days. A lot of them are boilerplate tripe (there's a mixed metaphor for you), but there are still a lot of good writers doing this stuff just for the fun of it.

There is also some good information on their message forums, too.

But, please don't let that discourage you if you have fun with it.
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Old 12-05-2006, 08:27 PM
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Okay, I'm back from the day job. The one where I actually earn my living.

I absolutely second the Erotica Readers and Writers Association at http://erotica-readers.com/ (entry page is work-safe). You will have to subscribe to the mailing list to post your own work and receive critiques, but you can also browse the vast array of information about writing and publishing erotica, as well as benefit from the calls for submissions. Members' work is chosen monthly to be featured on the website itself. A lot of the writers on the mailing list are published in the genre.

Another good resource is The Fishtank at http://www.desdmona.com/ Again, intro page is pretty safe for work. You can join the Fishtank, and again, post and receive critiques.

You probably won't get rich doing this, but you can make some extra money. You will have to write your socks off, though, and do a lot of submitting.

For paperback anthologies like Best Bondage Erotica 2 (my story is "Cuffed") payment is between $50.00-120.00 US per story. From the time you write the story to the time it's published and you get paid... Well, gosh, don't wait around for that cheque to pay your bills. I'm talking a year or more.

Writing for money on online venues isn't something I know a lot about, as I'm submitting for print publications only these days. (I'm also not writing as much due to the full-time job, commute, husband, dog, yard, housework, Christmas, and so on...)

Check out Clean Sheets www.cleansheets.com if you haven't already. They're now a paying venue, quite the coup to be accepted at, and feature some awesome writing. Ruthie's Club just ruthiesclub . com if I remember correctly pays, too.

Good luck! Have fun. It is fun... If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to contact me.
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Old 12-07-2006, 10:37 AM
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It took me a couple of days to get back here but I wanted to say thanks everyone for your input!

I'm just looking to make a few hundred $$ a month, so that I can quit my crappy part-time day job. (I would love to be a stay-at-home-mom and I'm trying to think of something that I enjoy that might pay me a little bit). I'm thinking of writing and selling customized erotica to meet someone's specific requests, desires, etc.

Savannah - thanks for your offer - I may contact you at some point when I get further into this.
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Old 12-07-2006, 12:07 PM
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Is there really much of a market for erotica anymore? You can find sooooo much stuff self-published on the web that I would think published erotica would be going the way of Penthouse and Playboy.
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Old 12-07-2006, 02:41 PM
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Nothing beats snuggling up with a book else we'd do all of our reading online.
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Old 12-07-2006, 04:44 PM
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There is a HUGE market for erotica right now. Especially for the online publishers. Sure, there's a lot of erotica available for free online, but the primary audience is women, and while some people don't care about quality, a lot of people do. And there's a number of people who are hesitant to buy erotica books in bookstores--or worse, going to an adult store!

Either way, I've sold over 1000 copies of my e-books. Sure, it's not huge numbers compared to print publishing, but I sure make a lot more money than I would if I just posted it on a blog or didn't try to publish it at all.
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Old 12-07-2006, 05:21 PM
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Is erotica like the stuff in Penthouse Letters? I'd say the first thing to do is track down a thesaurus for genetalia, and then write 'em like Mad Libs.
Ya know, having been in the past an occasional reader of Penthouse Forum/Variations, I always wondered if the submitted stories were rewritten by the editors or staff writers to make them conform to the "Penthouse style". I remember that the stories were written by hundreds of different people, since they were reader-submitted, but they all seemed to have the same feel to them. Kind of like the way all those anecdotes in Reader's Digest (Laughter, the Best Medicine, Humor in Uniform, All in a Day's Work, etc.) all sound like they were written by the same person.

The thing that always bugged me about those Penthouse publications was this: who, in real life, calls their lover's asshole a "rosebud"?
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Old 12-07-2006, 09:37 PM
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The thing that always bugged me about those Penthouse publications was this: who, in real life, calls their lover's asshole a "rosebud"?
People who read Penthouse. I'm guessing most of the letter writers were imitating, consciously or not, the existing style of previous letters. They were using the language they were most familiar with.
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Old 12-07-2006, 10:52 PM
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Ya know, having been in the past an occasional reader of Penthouse Forum/Variations, I always wondered if the submitted stories were rewritten by the editors or staff writers to make them conform to the "Penthouse style". I remember that the stories were written by hundreds of different people, since they were reader-submitted, but they all seemed to have the same feel to them. Kind of like the way all those anecdotes in Reader's Digest (Laughter, the Best Medicine, Humor in Uniform, All in a Day's Work, etc.) all sound like they were written by the same person.
Those letters were mostly written by freelance writers, just like all the letters sent in to all the erotic letter publications that sprang up, sorry, in Penthouse's wake. That market mostly is dead today, and many writers are sorry for it.

Did editors edit them for continuity of house style? I bet they did. And wrote more to fill up any holes, sorry, that remained in an issue.
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Old 12-07-2006, 11:04 PM
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Frankly, I think you are wasting your time, unless you would write it anyway for fun and figure you might as well get paid. The quantity and quality available for free (best bet: http://www.asstr.org) is simply too great.
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Old 12-07-2006, 11:30 PM
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The mostly short pieces at sites like asstr.org and Literotica resemble the novel-length books sold over Amazon the same way that fan fiction resembles officially produced Star Trek and Star Wars books. It's not just that quality is better, because they're produced by professionals. The tone and contents are different. Erotica tries to be well written and not a series of sex scenes (although that can vary greatly by the individual publisher and line.) Writers from one couldn't just move over to the other any more than non-published writers on the Dope could suddenly start churning books novels and nonfiction. And specialty erotica - women's, lesbian, gay, African-American, f&sf - need writers who approach the genre very differently than the mostly male, mostly clichéd writers on those sites.

But it's a lousy paying market and always has been. A few people can do it. Few can do it for very long.

And Stainz, "I'm thinking of writing and selling customized erotica to meet someone's specific requests, desires, etc." There's really a market for this? Who and where?
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Old 12-10-2006, 10:47 PM
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But it's a lousy paying market and always has been. A few people can do it. Few can do it for very long.

And Stainz, "I'm thinking of writing and selling customized erotica to meet someone's specific requests, desires, etc." There's really a market for this? Who and where?
There seems to be some market.
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Old 12-10-2006, 10:49 PM
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Erotica tries to be well written and not a series of sex scenes (although that can vary greatly by the individual publisher and line.)
I agree. There are so many writers out there, editors can be very choosy about what they accept. They want well-written work, and the level of professionalism in the editing has been high--in my experience.
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Old 12-11-2006, 11:37 AM
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There seems to be some market.
Hmm. I checked out several of the links, though, and there's less there than meets the eye. You wouldn't expect a site on the first page to have "coming soon" as the only wordage on both the Samples and Payment pages. Another site had samples of 1500 and 3000 words stories but not a 5000 word one despite a copyright of 2003. Here's one more response:

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Story sale volume varies wildly from month to month. Some months, only a couple of orders come in. Other months, particularly if Custom Erotica Source has received some publicity, as many as 12 orders might come in.
And that's for an illustrated story, which would probably generate better response.

That quote is from Sage Vivant. If you remove her from the search, the Google total goes from 11,800 to 675. So 94% of the searches go to the industry's one superstar who may do a couple of stories a month.

There's no there there.
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Old 12-11-2006, 12:54 PM
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You're probably right. Sage's is the only one I've ever heard of. Scratch that (custom erotica) as likely a workable market for an aspiring writer.
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Old 12-11-2006, 04:14 PM
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Darn, guess I'll have to take the long route and try to get published. Thanks!
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Old 05-03-2014, 03:57 PM
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While this is a zombie thread, it's worth pointing out that a not very good erotica novel has become a bestseller since then. So it's certainly possible.
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Old 05-03-2014, 06:54 PM
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Old 05-03-2014, 07:02 PM
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Reported post by keke34 as spam.
I'd question whether it's spam. The OP asked a question about how to do something and keke34 pointed out some books that offer guidance on the subject. I have no reason to assume keke34 wrote these books (which are credited to two different authors).
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Old 05-03-2014, 07:39 PM
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Well, what is keke34's posting history? He/she/it has never posted before and his/her/its first post is to flog products that aren't free? Sounds like spam to me. It's not as if someone who has an active account suggested these books.
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Old 05-03-2014, 07:47 PM
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I have no reason to assume keke34 wrote these books (which are credited to two different authors).
Wanna bet that Ava Bonde is Molina Storm is keke34?
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Old 05-03-2014, 07:49 PM
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If SPAM, I would have at least expected an affiliate link. As an Amazon Associate for what seems like half of my life, those things stick out to me and I didn't catch one there.
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Old 05-03-2014, 09:43 PM
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Maybe keke34 is Jeff Bezos trying to push Amazon sales.
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Old 05-03-2014, 10:00 PM
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While this is a zombie thread, it's worth pointing out that a not very good erotica novel has become a bestseller since then. So it's certainly possible.
Yep, and seeing it in my mom's possession was fifty kinds of wrong.
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While this is a zombie thread, it's worth pointing out that a not very good erotica novel has become a bestseller since then. So it's certainly possible.
If you're talking about Twilight, it's probably the worst erotica ever written.
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If you're talking about Twilight, it's probably the worst erotica ever written.
I was referring to Fifty Shades of Grey - Twilight fanfiction with the serial numbers filed off.
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Old 05-04-2014, 02:01 AM
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Herewith:* http://www.westword.com/2014-02-13/n...-bigfoot-porn/

The tale of a writer who broke new ground with bigfoot porn and had more than 100,000 downloads in a year.

The link should be to the online version of westword's 2/13/14 issue, in case it doesn't work.

*I have to have Internet Explorer installed? On my desktop? Or I can't do this link thing? What the hell? Internet Explorer is the devil. And I do have it installed.
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You could probably make more money performing erotica for money.

As, y'know... a prostitute.
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I'd question whether it's spam. The OP asked a question about how to do something and keke34 pointed out some books that offer guidance on the subject. I have no reason to assume keke34 wrote these books (which are credited to two different authors).
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Well, what is keke34's posting history? He/she/it has never posted before and his/her/its first post is to flog products that aren't free? Sounds like spam to me. It's not as if someone who has an active account suggested these books.
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Wanna bet that Ava Bonde is Molina Storm is keke34?
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Maybe keke34 is Jeff Bezos trying to push Amazon sales.
It's been settled. It's spam. What a turn-on.
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Old 05-04-2014, 09:05 AM
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It might be spam, but I see no reason for assuming it is one. I'm more interested in the reference to "50 Shades of Grey." I mean, it's success has hardly gone unnoticed, especially among romance writers, or EROTIC romance writers as a lot of them now call themselves. Go to Amazon and do a search for "erotic romance" in kindle books and you'll find legions of such books, most of them self-published, but not all.

But here's the thing. Most of those erotic romances are just bog-standard romances with some explicit sex or some very mildly kinky sex thrown it. It's pretty obvious that there are a lot of romance writers who figure that they can just alter their standard stories a tiny bit. The thing that makes Fifty Shades different is that their kinky relationship is front and center of the story. It's not a few bits added to a standard romance, it's a kinky romance from start to finish.

That's the obvious difference between Fifty Shades and other erotic romances, and it's also why, despite the technical writing flaws, the book has proven so popular with romance readers. It is a true romance, charting the difficulties a strong-willed woman who loves submissive sex has in getting a strong-willed but damaged billionaire to overcome some flaws he's developed as a result of a traumatic childhood. But it's also a kinky romance, Ana and Christian LIKE doing all that kinky stuff that makes the romance erotic. It combines the two seamlessly. THAT is the sense in which the author of Fifty Shades of Grey is much better writer than her compatriots.

So there IS a lot of money to be made writing erotic romances, if you can manage what E.L. James did. Because most of the many, many erotic romance writers are missing the boat … they have not moved as far, psychologically, as most erotic romance readers.
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Old 05-04-2014, 09:10 AM
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You could probably make more money performing erotica for money.

As, y'know... a prostitute.
You are absolutely right. That's where most of the money is in the sex industry at the entry level. Unfortunately, job requirements for prostitution are daunting for many people. You have to relatively young and attractive, for example, and you have to be OK with having sex with people of many different backgrounds and appearances. It's no the easy career path it would appear to be. So let's not give out false hope, Bryan ... though I'm sure that wasn't your intention.
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Old 05-04-2014, 09:50 AM
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It might be spam, but I see no reason for assuming it is one.
First-time poster?
Post links to outside content, especially content that costs money?
Post revives dormant thread?

Any one of those by themselves might not indicate spam, but together, you "see no reason for assuming it is"? You are far too trusting.
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First-time poster?
Post links to outside content, especially content that costs money?
Post revives dormant thread?

Any one of those by themselves might not indicate spam, but together, you "see no reason for assuming it is"? You are far too trusting.
All those are indicative that it may be spam, but they don't constitute proof.
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Old 05-04-2014, 10:14 AM
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This is not a court of law; the only proof needed is the judgment of the moderators and administrators of the board. They were apparently convinced.
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...a strong-willed woman...
You have a very strange definition of "strong willed". If Ana's will was any weaker, she'd have "Welcome!" tattooed on her forehead. Just for starters, a truly strong willed woman would tell Christian to shove his NDA up his arse.
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Old 05-04-2014, 10:29 AM
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This is not a court of law; the only proof needed is the judgment of the moderators and administrators of the board. They were apparently convinced.
Mods see all and hear all. Why don't you (Evil Captor) PM a mod for more detail and avoid hijacking this thread?
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Old 05-04-2014, 10:34 AM
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You have a very strange definition of "strong willed". If Ana's will was any weaker, she'd have "Welcome!" tattooed on her forehead. Just for starters, a truly strong willed woman would tell Christian to shove his NDA up his arse.
She DID refuse to sign the contract. She was attracted to Christian, she LIKED the kinky sex, but was unwilling to have a relationship with him on his terms, despite the fact that he was a billionaire and she a recent college graduate from a middle class background. Strong-willed.
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