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[devilsknew]

This is a thread for alternative theories and strategies from NON PLAYERS OF THE CURRENT WEREWOLF GAME... I URGE YOU NOT TO ENTER IF YOU ARE A PLAYER IN WEREWOLF. THIS IS ON YOUR HONOR.




...MODERATORS, PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD IF INAPPROPRIATE OR OTHERWISE AGAINST THE SPIRIT OF THE ONGOING GAME>>

SPOILER:

I believe Sturmhauke is the Seer and JSexton is a werewolf - maybe even the Alpha Werewolf. What think you?

[glee]

I used to be a werewolf, but I'm all right nowwwwwww!

[AskNott]

I am not familiar with the Werewolf Game, so my suggestions may be impossible in the game.

Acquire some heavy-duty hair clippers, so you can conceal your wolfiness.

If a cute little blond girl starts talking about what big eyes and teeth you have, it's time to leave town.

Avoid Italian food and Emiril LeGasse.

After you eat the neighbor's dog, steal its Advantage Flea Treatment.

Change your last name to Blitzer to confuse other players.

If you must howl, howl into a harmonica, with a Green Bullet mic and an amplifier. Other players might mistake you for a blues man, until it's too late.

If you see the Lone Ranger, run like Hell. He has silver bullets.

If you kill cattle, make crop circles. They'll think aliens did it.

Supermodels are stringy, tough, and not worth killing.

If you eat Mario, you get all his mushrooms.

There are young, tender animals in the Animal Shelter, but do not go in! The entrance is a one-way door.

[FatBaldGuy]

Is your spacebar broken?

[MovieMogul]

Originally Posted by devilsknew

SPOILER:

I believe Sturmhauke is the Seer and JSexton is a werewolf - maybe even the Alpha Werewolf. What think you?

SPOILER:

I think the owl flies at midnight and the jade monkey is toxic yet fragile. Maldives oasis awaits!

[Mister Rik]

Hmmm. Let's see.

1) People who are playing Werewolf are asked to stay out of this thread.
2) People who are not playing Werewolf are asked to suggest strategies.

Um ... well ...

I fall into the second group, which means I haven't the foggiest notion what you're talking about. Therefore, I fear that any advice I might care to offer would likely be unhelpful.

[Czarcasm]

Originally Posted by Phase42

Hmmm. Let's see.

1) People who are playing Werewolf are asked to stay out of this thread.
2) People who are not playing Werewolf are asked to suggest strategies.

Um ... well ...

I fall into the second group, which means I haven't the foggiest notion what you're talking about. Therefore, I fear that any advice I might care to offer would likely be unhelpful.

I believe this thread is intended for those who are reading the thread, but not actively participating in it.

[Mister Rik]

Originally Posted by Czarcasm

I believe this thread is intended for those who are reading the thread, but not actively participating in it.

Ah, sorry. There's a thread? Not exactly clear in the OP. I know there's a roleplaying game called "Werewolf".

[Ximenean]

I don't see how there can be strategy in what appears to be essentially a guessing game. It's like Poker without the cards.

[Mister Rik]

Originally Posted by Usram

I don't see how there can be strategy in what appears to be essentially a guessing game. It's like Poker without the cards.

Do you have any fives?

[Antinor01]

Originally Posted by Phase42

Do you have any fives?

Go howl at a full moon.

Do you have any jacks?

[dnooman]

Originally Posted by Usram

I don't see how there can be strategy in what appears to be essentially a guessing game. It's like Poker without the cards.

As people are killed off, their status becomes public knowledge, also there is a person who gets to know one persons status every cycle. All the werewolves know who each other are, as do the masons. These things coupled with peoples voting patterns, give a little more basis for making assumptions. The first round is the only really "blind" round.

This is all based on the description of the game from the post. I've never played before, so take it with a grain of salt.

[Ximenean]

So just act like a non-werewolf/mafiosi in public. Go with the majority, but not too obviously. That's more of a non-strategy than a strategy, though.

[devilsknew]

I suppose a crosslink to the relevant Werewolf game would help. I'm not too sure who is who, I believe the Werewolves are laying low and a couple of the prominent Townspeople have foolishly tipped their hands.

[AskNott]

What, the masons know who each other are? Obviously, it would behoove (heh, heh, bepaw?) a clever werewolf to extract the handshake and password from a mason before killing him.

[foolsguinea]

Um, stay away from the Ratkin, they're even crazier than the Get of Fenris. And remember, just because someone's strange doesn't mean they're from the Wyrm. And, oh, yeah, you can trust those reptile guys with your life, really.

Oh, wait, wrong kind of Werewolf game.

[Fern Forest]

I wonder if the ability of werewolves to consort outside of the game leaves them with a greater awareness of strategy, both offensive and defensive. Whereas the townsfolk limited to that thread are more prone to role playing and acting silly since they operate only on what's been seen in that thread. It was Menocchio's post 106 that seemed very defensive and lo and behold, look who the alpha wolf turned out to be.

P.S. Dammit! Now I really want to play. I bet the first round will always be the funnest since so few really knows what to expect.

P.P.S. Searching for wearwolf calls up very few threads.

P.P.P.S There wolf!

[TommyTutone]

Tap one white mana and cast Swords to Plowshares on the werewolf. From there, tap 3 black mana and 1 of anything to cast drain life for 1 point, which should kill off all of the villagers (see you could not kill the 2/4 werewolf this way).

From here out it should be elementary.

[Rysto]

Well, I'm no longer playing Werewolf, so I guess that I'm free to post in here now.

Anybody still playing shouldn't in this thread, and they definitely shouldn't be reading this post; it wouldn't be fair. I posting this, though, so I can say "I told you so" when the game is over"(well, that or, "good thing I was killed early on").

SPOILER:

I'm certain that I was killed because I called out One and Only Wanderers early in the game. As soon as I saw the jsgoddess bandwagon tailed off at 3 votes, I told myself that the next person to get on it would be a Werewolf. I think that when he was posting that an early bandwagon indicates Werewolves, he was actually trying to warn Menocchio to back off some.

Also, if Wanderers is a Werewolf, so is Richard Parker. He seems to be following Wanderers' lead: Wanderers says that a bandwagon indicates Werewolf activity, and he's the first to vote for someone on the jsgoddess bandwagon(but doesn't vote for Menocchio). Wanderers accuses JSexton of being a Werewolf, and Richard Parker jumps right on that bandwagon, too.

[Long Time Lurker]

I don't understand something. If there's a seer and a guardian in the game, why doesn't the seer call himself/herself out early and reveal all of the information he/she gets each night? Can't the guardian then continually protect the seer? Seems this strategy could get a lot of good information until the guardian is randomly killed by the wolves. Am I missing something?

[Kayeby]

I think that the last few people who voted for Menocchio are villagers:

sturmhauke
Rysto (dead villager)
Captain Carrot
Kat

The Alpha Werewolf is the most powerful werewolf character and I think that the wolves would bandwagon on JSexton or jsgoddess (who both had 3 votes apiece) rather than give him up. If any on that list are wolves my guess would be sturmhauke, who voted once it was obvious that Menocchio was doomed and later might be able to point to his vote and go "would I be stupid enough to lynch the Alpha Wolf?" But I'm pretty certain he's a villager.

I get a kind of Werewolfy vibe from:

ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
One and Only Wanderers

I tend to think that JSexton is a villager and wouldn't be surprised to see him killed soon. IMO the Angel should be protecting him until the Seer comes out.

[Malacandra]

I see that One And Only Wanderers has claimed to be a Mason. That has to make him prime werewolf fodder come nightfall.

Of course, now a werewolf could claim that he himself is a Mason, and that he knows that OAOW is not one... and then a third party could judge between them, but we would still not know if the third party was a werewolf or a Mason, and hence which way round the other two were.

[Long Time Lurker]

Originally Posted by Malacandra

Of course, now a werewolf could claim that he himself is a Mason, and that he knows that OAOW is not one... and then a third party could judge between them, but we would still not know if the third party was a werewolf or a Mason, and hence which way round the other two were.

Hmm.. Assuming that OAOW is actually a Mason: If a werewolf claims that he himself is a mason and OAOW is not, then OAOW would be lynched, the townspeople would find out that they lynched a Mason, and they'd kill the werewolf that called him out the next day. Exchange 1 wolf for 1 mason. Good deal? Probably not considering the wolves are outnumbered and masonry is not that great a benefit for the townies.

Assuming OAOW is a werewolf: If a werewolf calls him out, OAOW gets killed (down 1 wolf), and the masons know that the werewolf that called him out is a werewolf.

I think OAOW knows he's doomed and is trying to reveal a Mason to get some benefit out of his death. If that's true and no Mason comes forward, it's a big win for OAOW because the guardian's vote tonight will most likely be OAOW.

... I just proofread this and I'm not even sure I understand what I wrote.

[Kayeby]

I agree with Rysto: One And Only Wanderers and Richard Parker voted together the first day, then on the next day were very quick to vote and then unvote each other, like they were trying to distance themselves. Could be Masons but could also be Werewolves, and I'm leaning towards the latter.

I hope the Angel doesn't protect him. I still like the idea of protecting JSexton for now. I'm not 100% he's a Villager (especially since he's an experienced player) but he's the most influential person at the moment and I like seeing how people react to him.

Long Time Lurker I got what you wrote and I totally agree. Maybe I'm overanalysing (in fact I probably am given that it's 3:15am and I can't get to sleep so I'm up commenting on a game thread!) but he didn't seem very convincing. Personally I'm expecting a Werewolf who has been low-profile so far to poke holes in his story, thereby establishing their Village credentials. And if I'm wrong and One And Only Wanderers actually is a Mason and gets eaten tonight, then I have no idea what's happening.

[Long Time Lurker]

Is it just me, or did Suburban Plankton protest just a little too much about his motives with this question:

Originally Posted by Suburban Plankton

There's a question that I have been meaning to ask for a while now, just out of curiosity, regarding the Guardian Angel. Can the Guardian Angel choose to protect him or herself, or does the power only extend to helping others?

[brewha]

I think it's a safe bet that if OAOW doesn't get eaten tonight, he'll be assumed a wolf get lynched tomorrow.


Unless he's protected by the GA and it is made known to the townspeople that he was protected by the GA and not by the wolves.

Can the GA only protect against the wolves? Or can the GA protect against the townspeople as well? What if the Townspeople vote to lynch the GA?

[MrDibble]

I think JSexton is the Guardian Angel - I read this post as him basically telling the Seer how to play, and tipping him off that he had his back. I think he'll be conflicted between covering OAOW (as the only out VIP) or who he thinks the seer is, this turn.

I think dnooman is wrong, BTW - all the Masons shouldn't out themselves, it's enough that they remain silent, it allows the GA to protect OAOW without divided loyalties (unless he has a Seer suspect).

We do at least have good reason to think Miller is not a Mason, as OAOW didn't drop his vote for him. He's also not the Seer or he'd say something by now, as the he'd be worth more to the GA than one Stonecutter. I think he just might be a werewolf.

I definitely think Suburban Plankton is a werewolf. And I think the wolfies are going to go for JSexton next. If they don't, then he's most likely a unibrow.

Looks like Miller's in a bad place at sunset, and is trying to dig out now.

Damn, why do I avoid MPSIMS? I could have been in on this!

[carnivorousplant]

Originally Posted by MrDibble

Damn, why do I avoid MPSIMS? I could have been in on this!

I thought about playing, but I'd get lynched the first night.
Maybe the next time.

[Menocchio]

How do you think I feel, MrDribble? I did make the cut, and got the top dog position, and then got cut down pretty much randomly the first damn day.

Oh well, at least I still can read the super-secret Werewolf planning boards, and can hold that knowledge over all y'all's heads.

It doesn't look like OAOW is going to be contradicted. Shame. The game would probably unravel quickly if the werewolves started to claim Masonhood, but all the counteraccusations would be fun while it lasted.

[carnivorousplant]

Originally Posted by Menocchio

How do you think I feel, MrDribble? I did make the cut, and got the top dog position, and then got cut down pretty much randomly the first damn day.

Yeah, but I bet the bitches were all over you.

[DiggitCamara]

Originally Posted by Menocchio

How do you think I feel, MrDribble? I did make the cut, and got the top dog position, and then got cut down pretty much randomly the first damn day.

Oh well, at least I still can read the super-secret Werewolf planning boards, and can hold that knowledge over all y'all's heads.

It doesn't look like OAOW is going to be contradicted. Shame. The game would probably unravel quickly if the werewolves started to claim Masonhood, but all the counteraccusations would be fun while it lasted.

Thanks for the info. So, Menocchio has just confirmed OAOW is NOT a werewolf. Is he a Mason? Probably, but I dunno.

[Long Time Lurker]

Originally Posted by DiggitCamara

Thanks for the info. So, Menocchio has just confirmed OAOW is NOT a werewolf. Is he a Mason? Probably, but I dunno.

It does look like I'm completely wrong with my first instinct. Based on the conversation in the thread, it would be unlikely a real mason wouldn't reveal themselves to out OAOW for the good of the team.

[Menocchio]

JSexton is hilarious. His reasoning is so convoluted, yet he's be far the most aggressive player.

That's not to say that he isn't right sometimes (he got me, obviously), but if he is, I think it has more to do with luck than logic.

His analysis of my first accusatory post is particularly amusing. I'm a worse player than even he realizes. There's no strategy there whatsoever. I'm not saying that any of those guys aren't werewolves*, but if they were, I didn't intentionally mean to shield myself/them by casting suspicion.

I was just riffing on the names.

He's so funny that one has to wonder what his real motives are, despite his leading the charge against me. Perhaps his in-game critics are right to cast doubts. Then again, maybe they're trying to avenge me.

*To be perfectly honest, I didn't even remember with perfect clarity who my teammates were at that point. Not everybody had checked into the werewolf board yet, and of those who did, some of them used a different handle than they do here. I still feel compelled to double check now and again. Some of my guys are quite good at what they're doing, and some of the innocent folks have been acting mighty suspicious.

[tirial]

I lurk way to much to play, but have been following this at lunchtimes (free soap opera at work!). Looking through the werewolf thread is anyone else getting suspicious of

SPOILER:

Kytheria, now dnooman. Kytheria didn't post much, which was a bit out of character. Dnooman took over and seems to be playing a more active role suggesting other masons should out themselves, which (if OAOW is a mason), would only benefit the werewolves.

I definitely think Suburban Plankton is a werewolf. And I think the wolfies are going to go for JSexton next. If they don't, then he's most likely a unibrow.

I haven't played before (and I'm pretty dreadful at mystery solving) but if JSexton isn't killed during the night phase it may not mean he is a werewolf. If the werewolves know the townsfolk are thinking like that, then it makes sense to "lunch" someone else and let the villagers lynch him tomorrow - get two villagers for the price of one.

[Gymnopithys]

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[tirial]

Is it possible to get a list of the current players? As far as I can tell its:
Name ( Day 1 Votes / Status)

1. Richard Parker
2. Menocchio - lynched Alpha Wolf
3. Rubystreak
4. Ogre
5. Miller
6. Enginerd (1)
7. jsgoddess (3)
8. hocow
9. Kat (1)
10. Rysto - dead townsfolk
11. sturmhauke
12. JSexton (3)
13. Suburban Plankton
14. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
15. MadTheSwine
16. One And Only Wanderers (Mason?)
17. smiling bandit (2)
18. Winston Smith (1)
19. Kythereia/dnooman
20. moonstarssun
21. Captain Carrot

[Fern Forest]

I wonder if it's more fun to play when you don't know what to expect or if you understand things pretty well?

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by Fern Forest

I wonder if it's more fun to play when you don't know what to expect or if you understand things pretty well?

You've got me. I've played Mafia (which is similar) in real life. I doubt we ever had a day phase last more than about 5 minutes--maybe ten at the most. Our biggest problem was keeping the zombies from revealing what they'd now figured out to the townspeople. I don't think I could stand the pace of this online version. And besides, lurking (or just sitting quietly) is perfectly in character for me, but not so effective in this game, it appears.

[Long Time Lurker]

Welcome, moonstarssun.

[moonstarssun]

Hullo! Just thought I'd drag my corpse in and hang out with you guys.

[carnivorousplant]

Been looking forward to seeing yo...well, I don't mean it that way.

The selection process seems to vary betweem McCarthyism and "I don't like him".
Have you any thoughts for those of us who hope to play next time?

[Long Time Lurker]

Originally Posted by carnivorousplant

Been looking forward to seeing yo...well, I don't mean it that way.

Yes he does, he was actually responsible for your death.

[moonstarssun]

My advice to future players is: don't make werewolf-related jokes. One little comment about dog hair and you're marked.

I don't hold a grudge against the people responsible for my death. I'll just laugh when they die horribly.

[Queuing]

I question whether we should really be doing this, discussing the game, particularly if the ex-players with some knowledge come in here. See it seems to me that the Alpha (Menocchio) has sort of confirmed that JSexton is not a wolf.

If I was playing (and I have never played this game before), and I was a wolf, no way would I kill JSexton tonight. I would allow him to live, and then try to convince the townies he is a wolf. Basically by saying why wouldn't the wolves have killed him? He talks a lot, strategizes and seems to be somewhat of a leader. Since the wolves aren't killing him, who seems to be the most active, aggressive "townie", it must mean he is a wolf, and vote for him.

Unless of course I am reading Menocchio wrong in this thread.

I would NOT kill OAOW either. Too obvious, and since all the wolves know whom each other are, and now can eliminate OAOW as the Seer or GA, I would just kill any of the other townies. It would seem to me the masons, while nice, are not that important. Just my $0.02.

[Revenant Threshold]

Originally Posted by Long Time Lurker

I don't understand something. If there's a seer and a guardian in the game, why doesn't the seer call himself/herself out early and reveal all of the information he/she gets each night? Can't the guardian then continually protect the seer? Seems this strategy could get a lot of good information until the guardian is randomly killed by the wolves. Am I missing something?

Yep; who's to say that the Seer is actually the Seer?

Generally the best strategy for the Seer to take (I think i'm ok in saying stuff like this in here) is to collect information all through the game, and then release it all at once with a role claim when they're about to be lynched. The killing then confirms their status, and everyone else gets whatever information they've managed to collect.

[StarvingButStrong]

Is there an anti-FOS? Because I'm convinced that neither of the two who got subbed into the game are anything other than vanilla townsfolk.

My reasoning being, why else would the original players of those two roles have dropped out so quickly? Neither said anything about a crisis in their life, or even unexpected work or anything like that. They apparently just weren't interested enough in the game to carry on.

So -- would a wolf be so easily bored? Or the Guardian Angel or Seer? I think even being a Mason would be 'special' enough to want to go on, at least for a while.

Nope. Just ordinary townfolk, both of them.

Though it wouldn't surprise me much to hear dnooman got eaten last night. Because he, like the previous snacked one, revealed that he was taking notes and analyzing them AND POSTING about it for the possible benefit of others.

Not something the wolves would want to encourage.

Because even if the conclusions he drew were wrong, the data might be put to good use by others.

[Long Time Lurker]

Originally Posted by Revenant Threshold

Yep; who's to say that the Seer is actually the Seer?

Good point -- an "I'm the seer. No, I'm the seer" pissing match could end badly. On the one hand, you would find out who was telling the truth fairly quickly after one bad lynching, but on the other hand you could lose the real seer if the guardian doesn't protect the right claimant.

Out of curiosity, have you seen a seer claim early in a game? Does a wolf usually then counterclaim?

Edit: Follow up question: Have you ever seen a wolf claim to be a seer without impetus? Seems a bold move.

[chrisk]

Originally Posted by Revenant Threshold

Yep; who's to say that the Seer is actually the Seer?

Generally the best strategy for the Seer to take (I think i'm ok in saying stuff like this in here) is to collect information all through the game, and then release it all at once with a role claim when they're about to be lynched. The killing then confirms their status, and everyone else gets whatever information they've managed to collect.

Of course, if the Seer gets lunched without much warning, and hasn't released any info, then the townspeople get no use out of them.

Probably worthwhile to try to release a few hints into the strategizing at least... 'I think X is just town', 'Y smells wolfy to me somehow, I'm not sure if I can put my finger on it beyond that' without tipping off the wolves that it's anything other than random observations. But post-lunching (if the wolves are so lucky,) the other townspeople can comb through what was said.

On the flipside, a seer would probably also have to be careful about making observations of that type that are just 'gut feel's, especially after night 1, lest they get misinterpreted as infullible.


(Love the layers within layers in this game.)

BTW, Revenant, one thing I wanted to ask. I might want to put werewolf/mafia into a story as a party game that the characters are inveigled into. Have you ever heard of a roswell alien themed one? Can you give me any specific hints for where to look on info for the vampire variant?

[Queuing]

So it was JSexton that the wolves decided to munch on. As posted above I disagree with this move by the wolves, however if my above plan did not work out, he would have had to go the next night. It seems he was just a townie, nothing special about him.

[Nava]

The one who's got my shackles raised (what? Spats ain't the only one who makes puns! if it was good it wouldn't be a pun!) is Winston. I mean, would any of you label him "someone who's likely to pop in a funny thread where people are tossing ideas left and right but never really say anything"? I've got a neighbor who's both a vet and allergic to dogs... I'd be grabbing a huge bottle of antihystaminics in one hand and the neighbor on the other and sitting him this >< close to WS, if I was on the game!

Oh, and maybe I'm too complicated, but if I'd been the Angel, I wouldn't have chosen Wanderer to protect the first night after he declared (which I don't know if he did, eh!); I would expect the wolvies to say "ok, that's one Mason" and go for someone else. The second night, now...