Evil Dead Mafia Forbidden Thread - The Cabin in the Woods

[CatInASuit]

Ok all, this is the Companion Thread to go with the new Mafia Game.

This will be for non-spoilered discussion of the game by anyone and everyone, APART FROM THE PLAYERS STILL PLAYING.

If you are still playing, you don't get to join us.

Please No Spoilers in this thread.

Should the necessity arise and you want to sub into the game, post in here.

[Rysto]

Wow, there's a blast from the past. Chucara's idea was discussed way back in forbidden thread of M1 and came up again in M2.

[storyteller0910]

Originally Posted by Rysto

Wow, there's a blast from the past. Chucara's idea was discussed way back in forbidden thread of M1 and came up again in M2.

And as I remember it, the dude who proposed it in M2, chrisk, took so much flack over the idea that he left the game and hasn't played since. We've gotten a lot less hysterical since then.

[Rysto]

Originally Posted by storyteller0910

And as I remember it, the dude who proposed it in M2, chrisk, took so much flack over the idea that he left the game and hasn't played since. We've gotten a lot less hysterical since then.

chrisk did play in a game recently -- within the past six months or so.

[Boozahol Squid, P.I.]

Huh. This is supposed to be a game of olympic proportions, and it doesn't involve story, Rysto or Cat? I think the new players have a high standard to live up to.

[CatInASuit]

I don't really have time to play Mafia at the moment.

Instead, storyteller was nice enough to let me help out with this game instead.

[mmouse9799]

Originally Posted by Boozahol Squid, P.I.

Huh. This is supposed to be a game of olympic proportions, and it doesn't involve story, Rysto or Cat? I think the new players have a high standard to live up to.

Well, you do have Story as a mod, so there is that.

[Rysto]

Originally Posted by pedescribe

Have you ever read M2? Day one, the group did this. Night one, the scum used that information to kill off the detective.

Have you read M2, pedescribe? 'Cause if that's the only lesson you took away from the game...

As it happens, scum did not kill the detective Night One. The detective was targeted by both the Vigilante and the Serial Killer. Now it is true that a certain townie came up with a convoluted theory revolving around the assumption that the Mafia killed the detective and pursued it vigorously, egged on beautifully by the scum. But that last bit is one of the most important lessons from M2. The scum sat in the background and let the Town chase its tail for the whole game, and we never figured out what the scum was doing.

[Rysto]

Originally Posted by JSexton

I'm very glad that storyteller has already said there's no recruitment, or I'd be fearing a turn-to-zombie mechanic.

Clearly JSexton has not played enough games with us if he'd wory that story of all people would use recruitment in one of his games.

[CatInASuit]

You know, this has got to be one of the quietest Day Ones going.

[Boozahol Squid, P.I.]

Originally Posted by Hoopy Frood

There is only one mod. There are however, a few more of us watching this game spoiled. You can find the link at http://www.suckmyballspeeker.net/evildead

story, when this game is over, you can probably make a sweet penny selling that domain name to Pleonast. Just sayin'.

[ShadowFacts]

Total Lost may be onto something with Thing Fish. Scum love it when 2 townies are in the lead voting and can make it a choice between those two. Good catch (maybe).

[Boozahol Squid, P.I.]

One day, a group of masons is going to consist of people who don't take the mason tag and make it force them to play so fast and loose that they end up having to claim Day One.


One day...

[CatInASuit]

It never used to happen with the masons, there have been a few times they didn't jump out.

I wonder what changed or is it that feeling of "they are never going to lynch me", so they can say what they like and the doc will protect me.

[ShadowFacts]

Originally Posted by CatInASuit

It never used to happen with the masons, there have been a few times they didn't jump out.

I wonder what changed or is it that feeling of "they are never going to lynch me", so they can say what they like and the doc will protect me.

pedescribe in particular seems to be prone to claiming at the drop of a hat. With the vote as it was, there was NO reason for him to claim, IMO. Bad move.

ETA: I could be wrong about pede claiming, but that's my impression from the last few games I've read/played.

[storyteller0910]

Originally Posted by ShadowFacts

pedescribe in particular seems to be prone to claiming at the drop of a hat. With the vote as it was, there was NO reason for him to claim, IMO. Bad move.

Well... except. Once pede had four votes, he'd have remained among the vote leaders thanks to inertia alone. By now he'd have had to claim. Assuming he is telling the truth about being a Mason, that would have sucked royally, because it would have forced the Town to scramble in search of an alternate target in the last 24 hours of the Day. At least his early claim gave them an extra half day to recalibrate.

[ShadowFacts]

Originally Posted by storyteller0910

Well... except. Once pede had four votes, he'd have remained among the vote leaders thanks to inertia alone. By now he'd have had to claim. Assuming he is telling the truth about being a Mason, that would have sucked royally, because it would have forced the Town to scramble in search of an alternate target in the last 24 hours of the Day. At least his early claim gave them an extra half day to recalibrate.

Whoops, you're right. For some reason I thought he only had 2 votes when he claimed. Sorry, pedescribe!

[Rysto]

Originally Posted by Hawkeyeop

Naf, can you explain why you are voting Chucara over Macey. Subtly is more suspicious than bluntness?

Absolutely. Scum will rarely be blatantly scummy. Subtlety is way more of a hallmark of scum than bluntness.

[ShadowFacts]

Originally Posted by Rysto

Absolutely. Scum will rarely be blatantly scummy. Subtlety is way more of a hallmark of scum than bluntness.

Yup. I suspect Macey will turn up Town.

[CatInASuit]

Unofficial vote count as of #191

macey(7) - brewha, Hawkeyeop, Hockey Monkey, special ed, dotchan, jsexton, pedescribe
Thing Fish(3) - Total Lost, peekercpa, pleonast
chucara(2) - NAF1138, diggitcamara
Pleonast(1) - , Thing Fish
DiggitCamara(1) - Natlaw
peekercpa(1) - amrussell
Cookies(1) - bufftabby
BlaM(1) - Cookies.

Well, looks like macey is going to #1 lynch, especially with less than 12 hours to go.

[CatInASuit]

Originally Posted by Rysto

Absolutely. Scum will rarely be blatantly scummy. Subtlety is way more of a hallmark of scum than bluntness.

Absolutely; totally agree with you.

Scum would never do that.

[ToeJam]

I just got caught up to date with the game... and i must say, my ego is a bit flattered that I was mentioned a few times already early in Day 1. I figured people had forgotten about me with all the new Mafia games and Facebook games that have been going on, but it's a nice little boost to see my name thrown out there every so often by one of the younger crowds.....

That said, I would swallow all of their souls if they keep up some of their thought processes.
I woulda lynched Macey too though if i were playing. Scum or not. The town needed information and that was the best way to get it- at least no one threw out the idea of a No lynch Day 1 at least.
Anyways, this looks like an interesting game. I'll def. try to keep up w/ following it having gotten to be a part of its conception.

[ShadowFacts]

Originally Posted by ShadowFacts

Yup. I suspect Macey will turn up Town.

Huge bonus for the Town - well done. Getting an early scum always helps, both in terms of raw numbers, and in terms of psychology: the more Days go by without a scum death, the more frustrated Town normally gets.

[ToeJam]

Peds latest post makes me wonder as I don't know the makeup of the game (can I get spoiled/a link to the spoiler boards pmed to me?) but now... i'm wondering about just what IS in this game's makeup. I gotta know!

[Rysto]

Originally Posted by CatInASuit

Absolutely; totally agree with you.

Scum would never do that.

Oh don't get me wrong, I absolutely subscribe to the storyteller "everytime I tell myself scum would never do that, I hit myself over the head until the thought passes" school of thought.

[Rysto]

Pleonast was a Mason and the Detective died Night One? If it weren't for the fact that two scum are down already I'd swear that story's just re-enacting M2 for his own amusement.

[Rysto]

Originally Posted by Total Lost

I have never heard of a Night lynch before - but just to be safe we might need to unvote at Night from now on.

No, no no! Lynches are hugely pro-Town. If the Town really does get two lynches per Day/Night cycle they absolutely have to use them.

[Pollux Oil]

I haven't been to the Dope in about two months, came in here and read the Day Two/Night Two intro thread, and am now wondering what the hell is going on over here.

Aren't the Dope games supposed to be fairly normal compared to the other board's games?

*takes a peek at Idle's game*

Oh...yeah, okay, carry on then.

[Boozahol Squid, P.I.]

Originally Posted by Rysto

No, no no! Lynches are hugely pro-Town. If the Town really does get two lynches per Day/Night cycle they absolutely have to use them.

If there is in fact a night lynch, you're essentially cutting in half the number of scum kills to be performed. TL has been playing long enough to figure this out.

[Thing Fish]

Hi, everyone. Much calmer in this thread. No zombies around...I kinda like it. And there's Boozahol! Really missed you last Night, time to catch up drinking. I'll have some sort of obscure Belgian ale that smells like pee, in honor of bufftabby. Draw one for my pal Pleo if he shows up, too. I'm not sure about the etiquette for these threads...does "no spoilers" mean I shouldn't talk about my PM or Night action? It's a juicy story but I will sit on it if you all would rather try to figure it out for yourself.

[storyteller0910]

Hi, TF. No spoilers pretty much means no spoilers. Also, and unfortunately, due to some quirks in the rules, access to the "real" spoiler fora will be exceedingly limited. You may yet be called on to contribute to the game.

[Thing Fish]

Cool! I await instructions. Although the next contribution I make to Town winning this game will be my first...

[ShadowFacts]

I have to say that story's color in this game is freakin' hilarious. I particularly enjoyed this from the last dusk post:

Originally Posted by storyteller

SOMEONE
He speaks in a way that requires interpretation! Kill him!

Well played, sir.

[Rysto]

Ok, has anyone who placed a vote for a confirmed Mason ever ended up scum? Ever? Having a brainfart is not a scum tell!

[sachertorte]

Hi all. I'm not sure if you noticed, but I took a bit of a mafia holiday; but storyteller's new game seems to be drawing me back.

In reviewing stuff, it seems that I was on the winning team for Terminator (Yay!). And to NAF, I totally had you pegged on Day One! Ha! And for actual reasons too.

I'm reading through Day One now and the brief exchange of "scum would never do that" was about to make my head explode until I read:

Originally Posted by JSexton

Here's the thing. If you're looking at two potential actions, where one has a clear townie motivation and one has a clear scum motivation, then it makes no sense to claim "well, he did the townie thing, and scum woud never do that." Because, of course, doing the townie-er thing is reason enough. We're in agreement up to here.

So where does it make sense to say "scum would never do that"? When the decision is between inaction, and taking an action that draws attention. If a suspect takes an action that doesn't benefit scum, and had the option to simply doing nothing (and no one would be the wiser), then I tend to consider that a strong indicator of townieness.

Could scum manipulate that to try and clear themselves? Potentially, but it's an incredibly risky play. Most people don't view that the way I do, so it's not going to clear them in very many eyes. It runs the very large risk of going the way my gambit in the last game did, and simply getting them lynched. IOW, such a play has medium reward, but very high risk. And, of course, even getting to that point requires perfect play. Any slip at all in the sequence of events, or tipping your hand that you wanted people to see the event, totally nullifies it. And given that you'd be under scrutiny, it's tough to actually play that perfectly.

Praise the Lord! Hopefully JSexton will be able to explain what I've continued to fail to convey.

[CatInASuit]

Well, that was an "interesting" Day

[Pleonast]

Yay, I'm allowed to post here.

I wonder why I was killed. I don't think ped's "defense" of me was the reason. While it hinted that I was likely a mason, scum should be looking to kill power roles. Unclaimed masons pose little direct threat at the beginning of the game. If they killed me instead of shooting for a real power role, then I'm happy to take that bullet.

I'm very suspicious of NAF. His push to get people to remove votes to test if there is a Night lynch, and also suggesting that a Vig refrain from killing, is so anti-Town. If the Town has a Night lynch, not using it would be a major gift to the scum, just like choosing to skip a Day lynch. And power roles, including Vigs, should be left to their own discretion. Also, getting a useless investigation is a halmark of a scum fake-claiming. Despite all that, I get a Townie vibe from him.

Welcome back, sach! I look forward to playing with/against you in the future.

[sachertorte]

Hey Pleonast, thanks for the kind words.


Wow. Day Three was phenomenally stupid. The whole Chucara/confirm NAF was dumb dumb dumb to begin with, then they fuck up the execution too.
As far as I can tell NAF has been playing his claimed role as well as could be expected. He clearly states he wants to investigate townies and would prefer vanilla townies to "masonize" them. That is a solid strategy; one that NAF learned earlier when I pointed out that his choice as Detective in Simpletown would have won the game immediately if he had selected his "suspected town" instead of investigating his "suspected scum." He was right and found a scum, but that allowed the game to continue.
If NAF is scum, then Town handed him an easy-out for the Day three investigation.

Anyway, the Chucara gambit was dumb since even a 50% chance of guessing the correct answer would not sit well with the town anyway. They would think 50% is not good enough. And on top of that they decide to lynch Chucara before NAF gets a read on him! JHC!

I don't even understand the case against Chucara. He voted for pedescribe, a claimed mason! I read that and I was thinking Town all the way. Rysto totally saw it immediately too. What scum is going to vote for a claimed mason? I know this falls into the category of "things scum won't do" but it's not a matter of pro-town/pro-scum action. Scum would not draw attention to themselves by voting for a known mason. Scum are much more aware of who they are voting for. Town is much more likely to slip up and forget that pedescribe is a mason. Scum, not so much.


On other matters, I'm surprised storyteller is allowing conditional questioning. If he allows that, he might as well just allow one multiple choice answer with 27 possible choices. Actually, now that I think about it, DiggitCamara could ask his question as direct, non-conditional A) B) C) questions and get his desired result with a ternary encoding. Essentially, three questions with three groupings is sufficient to discern from a set of 27.

i.e.
encode Cookies as A - A - A (Cookies is in group A for all three questions)
encode Zeriel as A - A - B (Zeriel is in group A for the first two questions and group B for the third)
encode NAF as A - A - C
encode Hockey as A - B - A
etc.

This way the questions can be asked as non-conditionals. A same question all three times, but with different groupings. (Is the scum you investigated in group A [knock once], B [twice] or C [thrice]. For ease I would probably use groups ABC, DEF, and GHI to minimize confusion. The basic idea is there. Conditionals are a cheat!
I see now that DiggitCamara has amended the plan to eliminate conditionals. His formula has a few typos (he seems to have forgotten the existence of the numbers 8 and 9); but the overall design is sound and conditional free.

[ToeJam]

Heh, is anyone else hoping to see a lynch based on a Capitalization issue?
I love stuff like that, and it always gives me a glimpse into the mind of a Mod vs. the mind of a player.... IE: Would storyteller be the sort of person to put an intentional error like that into a Post? If he would, why wouldn't Cookies (if scum) just modify it to make it read "better"? Did she really just post her actual Role PM and not realize how that little issue could become a problem? Or did she actually rewrite her pm and that typo is actually her own??

I'm loving this stuff!

[sachertorte]

No. Lynching Cookies for the capitalization of "total lost" is simply stupid play. One, it's a bad idea. Two, storyteller has been non-capitalizing "total lost" consistently:

Originally Posted by storyteller0910

Revised vote count:

Chucara (3) - Diggitcamara, NAF1138, Natlaw
Diggitcamara (3) - Millit the Frail, amrussell, pedescribe
dotchan (1) - total lost
Blaster Master (1) - Chucara

(I hate doing vote counts, by the way; I'm too easily confused)

Originally Posted by storyteller0910

snippity-do-dah

Night Three begins now, and will end at around 4:00PM EST on Tuesday, January 6. The vote count stands as follows:

amrussell (1) - pedescribe
Cookies (1) - brewha
Almost Human (1) - total lost

And I think I know what NAF is up to. He wants to make up for lost time and get a two-fer by investigating Cookies's town-ness. If he can confirm Cookies, then Total Lost gets confirmed by extension. It is a sound plan. All NAF needs to do is forget about trying to confirm himself (he can't and he shouldn't try. He knows this, but got distracted by Chucara).

ETA: the interesting question is whether or not storyteller will correct his mistake in his next vote count.

[sachertorte]

Originally Posted by Total Lost

I don't believe your PM because you said: "total lost".
I have only played in 2 games with Story beside this one (I think) - but the way he seems a linguist (not a perfect mafia-player... but what a linguist) I have indeed noticed the way he makes a word work for him! He would know the difference between:
Total Lost
total lost
totallost

some might call me TL - but I have been looking and I still havn't found anywhere he did that!

WTF?

If you do a "find all posts by storyteller0910" the very first one contains a vote count with Total Lost listed as "total lost" I found it in less than five seconds.

Total Lost could not possibly be looking very hard. If it weren't for the fact that Total Lost being scum requires Cookies to be lying scum as well, I'd think Total Lost is scum right now. The only possible avenue for Total Lost to be scum is for Cookies to be scum of a different faction, but I find that unlikely. What the hell?

[Pleonast]

Why is NAF pushing the masons to claim still? Claiming now reduces the pool for the remaining power roles. Masons will not be lynched, so there's no risk on that front. I know he's eager to increase the number of confirmed Townies, but masons claiming does not do that. They're already confirmed--just not revealed yet.

[sachertorte]

He doesn't want to waste an investigation on a Mason.

[Pleonast]

I guess that is possible, but I think the risk of reconfirming a Mason is smaller than the risk of an outed Mason being Scum-killed. Oh, there's also the risk of a Vig kill, but that's low as well.

[sachertorte]

Oh I agree with you Pleonast. NAF was pushing for the masons to claim rather early, but now that he's getting vanillas to claim in small numbers, he doesn't need masons to claim anymore. Either way, it's too soon for masons to claim. I'm just saying that is NAF's motivation, not that I necessarily agree with it.

[Hoopy Frood]

Originally Posted by Ro0sh

Heh, is anyone else hoping to see a lynch based on a Capitalization issue?
I love stuff like that, and it always gives me a glimpse into the mind of a Mod vs. the mind of a player.... IE: Would storyteller be the sort of person to put an intentional error like that into a Post? If he would, why wouldn't Cookies (if scum) just modify it to make it read "better"? Did she really just post her actual Role PM and not realize how that little issue could become a problem? Or did she actually rewrite her pm and that typo is actually her own??

I'm loving this stuff!

Have you been following along on the off-board game. Particularly today? I still feel dirty even though the dirt was paydirt.

[ToeJam]

Nope, sadly I haven't had time to read that one =(
I only am reading this one because I got to have a small hand in helping to create this one with some ideas that I threw in (but Storyteller's most certainly changed them since then- but it's nice to see small touches- Predator anyone? Who loves mixing franchises? )

And... I think Total Lost is trying to communicate a message. But I'm not sure... but i believe now that she's been giving off hints at something special. But i'll hold back on my thoughts on that one, since this isn't the fully spoiled area (and because I don't really know).
But I don't get a scum vibe from her at ALL... it's just a something other vibe that doesn't have to do w/ alignment, but she's hinting at something else methinks.... I think she's special, but not in regards to alignment, but in terms of powers or conditions....

Curious.

[Hoopy Frood]

Originally Posted by Ro0sh

Nope, sadly I haven't had time to read that one =(
I only am reading this one because I got to have a small hand in helping to

If you get a chance, check out my posts throughout toDay. I'd give you a Cliff's notes version of what's publicly available myself, but I'd rather avoid discussing anything too much over here because I don't want me or anyone else to be modkilled. (We had a mason modkilled toDay and we really don't know why. He somehow got access to information he shouldn't have through no fault of his own.)

But I managed to drag out a PFK claim due to a large discrepancy I noticed in a townie claim PM. Although, this was a unique circumstance, IMO.

[sachertorte]

Total Lost being special would be consistent with a previous storyteller construction. In his Blade Runner Game, one (mostly vanilla) character knew the town status of another (powerful) player. The original idea was to have a toned down masonry where one vanilla knew the alignment of another, but not vice versa. Storyteller adapted the idea to have the player know the alignment of a powerrole for his purposes.

[Pleonast]

That may not be a good sign for Total's survival at Night.