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Old 09-24-2011, 03:23 PM
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Revenge (ABC TV Show)

I just watched the pilot for this, and so far it seems to be doing a decent job of living up to its Count of Monte Cristo roots. Anyone else watching?

Interesting choice to swap the gender of the entire cast. I'd think of the original as being fairly rugged and manly, but perhaps they figured that the modern ideal of manliness is more along the lines of Cammando and Rocky, so all the intrigue and backstabbing would find more interest with a female audience better? I can't say that it's bothering me.

I think it also helps, cinematically, that they don't have the Clark Kent/Superman issue where the protagonist is supposed to go totally unrecognized to a bunch of people who know him well, due to making the crime occur during the main character's childhood, rather than as an adult.

Overall, I'm not seeing anything to complain about and I'm a big fan of the book.
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Old 09-26-2011, 11:38 AM
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I thought it was good and plan to keep watching.
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Old 09-29-2011, 12:58 PM
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I am getting into the show. One news report ask if they could keep this show running. After all how many people can she get revenge on. I figure after she is done where she is at she can hire out to get revenge for other people. I hope thay can keep it going. Emily is the slickest role on tv,
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Old 09-29-2011, 01:34 PM
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this show is going to piss me off with how the rich folks treat the poor folks.
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:17 PM
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Pretty quickly moving so far. Two episodes and she's already gotten revenge on two (or 3 if you include the husband of the blonde). I hope that they're just working to get our attention and that future revenge will take a couple episodes per person.

Also with that PI now following her every move I really hope that box is well hidden. So many things that could give her away - the tattoo and the carving at the beachhouse for one.

Anyone else think that the anomoly in her history is on purpose? If her back story is so good from 1-16 and 18+ I have to believe that those two years was a purposeful gap to lure Victoria into making a mistake.
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:54 PM
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I've watched both episodes so far. I'm not sure what role the struggling bar owner and his two sons play in the show, although the older son named the boat after the main character. So perhaps he liked her (although she was very young when the original events occurred). Perhaps those characters represent certain characters in The Count of Monte Cristo? I'm not sure how closely this story is following that one.
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Old 10-01-2011, 12:46 PM
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Pretty quickly moving so far. Two episodes and she's already gotten revenge on two (or 3 if you include the husband of the blonde). I hope that they're just working to get our attention and that future revenge will take a couple episodes per person.

Also with that PI now following her every move I really hope that box is well hidden. So many things that could give her away - the tattoo and the carving at the beachhouse for one.

Anyone else think that the anomoly in her history is on purpose? If her back story is so good from 1-16 and 18+ I have to believe that those two years was a purposeful gap to lure Victoria into making a mistake.
Well, considering the episodes start with the wedding (12 weeks ahead) and then flash back (I hate when shows do that), I think it is a given that she has covered her tracks, otherwise the mother would never allow the wedding to take place.
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Old 10-01-2011, 01:32 PM
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I've watched both episodes so far. I'm not sure what role the struggling bar owner and his two sons play in the show, although the older son named the boat after the main character. So perhaps he liked her (although she was very young when the original events occurred). Perhaps those characters represent certain characters in The Count of Monte Cristo? I'm not sure how closely this story is following that one.
As of yet, the only real parallel is that there's a person trying to get revenge on a group of plotters who framed someone. I'm wondering whether the Wikipedia description is lying where it says that the show is intended to be an adaptation. I haven't noticed the book being mentioned in the opening credits, at least.

The closest parallel to Jack Porter (the guy with the dog) would probably be the Count's fiancee, from before he was framed. She ended up marrying one of the plotters, and so the Count has to get enact his revenge on her family and toss away his feelings for her. Assuming a parallel, this would mean that Papa Porter would end up being one of the bad guys. Certainly, it looks like Emily is romancing up Danny instead of Jack, foregoing the romantic interest that she'd probably have otherwise.

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Old 10-01-2011, 01:39 PM
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I've watched both episodes so far. I'm not sure what role the struggling bar owner and his two sons play in the show, although the older son named the boat after the main character. So perhaps he liked her (although she was very young when the original events occurred). Perhaps those characters represent certain characters in The Count of Monte Cristo? I'm not sure how closely this story is following that one.
Was the older son the one who was seen with the rich kids body in the first episode? I'm guessing the blond guy will arrange for the rich kids murder, and will frame the bar owners son. I bet Emily will then try to clear his name.
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Old 10-01-2011, 02:36 PM
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As of yet, the only real parallel is that there's a person trying to get revenge on a group of plotters who framed someone. I'm wondering whether the Wikipedia description is lying where it says that the show is intended to be an adaptation. I haven't noticed the book being mentioned in the opening credits, at least.

The closest parallel to Jack Porter (the guy with the dog) would probably be the Count's fiancee, from before he was framed. She ended up marrying one of the plotters, and so the Count has to get enact his revenge on her family and toss away his feelings for her. Assuming a parallel, this would mean that Papa Porter would end up being one of the bad guys. Certainly, it looks like Emily is romancing up Danny instead of Jack, foregoing the romantic interest that she'd probably have otherwise.
There must be significance to the fact that Jack named his boat "Amanda."
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Old 10-01-2011, 06:36 PM
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Anyone know why the logo for the show has it written Reven8e? Are there 8 people she's trying to get back at? I mean there's the double-infinity thing, but that can't be it because it's not a double eight, can it?
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Old 10-01-2011, 08:04 PM
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Anyone know why the logo for the show has it written Reven8e? Are there 8 people she's trying to get back at? I mean there's the double-infinity thing, but that can't be it because it's not a double eight, can it?
It's not an eight, it's the first infinity sign she drew before doubling it like her father showed her to.

sohvan, yeah, that was Jack. Funny that his little brother didn't recognize him...
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Old 10-01-2011, 08:18 PM
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I've liked the first couple of episodes. I'm thinking we won't catch up to the first scene (Danny being murdered) until the season finale.

I liked Emily VanCamp on Everwood. I never watched Brothers and Sisters.

I've been a fan of Madeline Stowe for a looong time and I've always wished she worked more. It's nice to see her every week, even if she is playing a bitch.
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Old 10-03-2011, 12:21 AM
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Pretty quickly moving so far. Two episodes and she's already gotten revenge on two (or 3 if you include the husband of the blonde). I hope that they're just working to get our attention and that future revenge will take a couple episodes per person.

Also with that PI now following her every move I really hope that box is well hidden. So many things that could give her away - the tattoo and the carving at the beachhouse for one.

Anyone else think that the anomoly in her history is on purpose? If her back story is so good from 1-16 and 18+ I have to believe that those two years was a purposeful gap to lure Victoria into making a mistake.

I read an interview with the show's creator and he said that for the first few episodes only, she gets her revenge quickly (and, yes, he said that it's written that way to hook the audience), but, after that, the arcs, as she goes after more powerful people, will be longer (which makes sense if they want the show to last for any length of time).

Just a little side note--the guy who is investigating Emily is the head of security for Victoria's husband's firm. (I heard him say that in one of his conversations with Victoria )
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Old 10-03-2011, 12:37 AM
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I've watched both episodes so far. I'm not sure what role the struggling bar owner and his two sons play in the show, although the older son named the boat after the main character. So perhaps he liked her (although she was very young when the original events occurred). Perhaps those characters represent certain characters in The Count of Monte Cristo? I'm not sure how closely this story is following that one.
What I get, after watching the first two eps, is that she met the older son, Jack, when she was Amanda, the little girl (on the beach, through her dog, Sam, who is now Jack's dog--which if you do the math, makes Sam about 18 years old ) And it appears that he's never forgotten her (which her sidekick, Nolan, knows, and that is why he is trying to befriend Jack by buying his boat and then offering to give it back, etc., because he wants to bring love back into Emily's life-- although he obviously has no problem helping her with her revenge plans, as well). I think that Jack represents Emily's hope for redemption and for love, and that is what his purpose is on the show.
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Old 10-03-2011, 02:59 AM
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What I get, after watching the first two eps, is that she met the older son, Jack, when she was Amanda, the little girl (on the beach, through her dog, Sam, who is now Jack's dog--which if you do the math, makes Sam about 18 years old ) And it appears that he's never forgotten her (which her sidekick, Nolan, knows, and that is why he is trying to befriend Jack by buying his boat and then offering to give it back, etc., because he wants to bring love back into Emily's life-- although he obviously has no problem helping her with her revenge plans, as well). I think that Jack represents Emily's hope for redemption and for love, and that is what his purpose is on the show.
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Old 10-03-2011, 07:43 PM
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Old 10-05-2011, 02:19 AM
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What I get, after watching the first two eps, is that she met the older son, Jack, when she was Amanda, the little girl (on the beach, through her dog, Sam, who is now Jack's dog--which if you do the math, makes Sam about 18 years old ) And it appears that he's never forgotten her (which her sidekick, Nolan, knows, and that is why he is trying to befriend Jack by buying his boat and then offering to give it back, etc., because he wants to bring love back into Emily's life-- although he obviously has no problem helping her with her revenge plans, as well). I think that Jack represents Emily's hope for redemption and for love, and that is what his purpose is on the show.
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Old 10-05-2011, 09:07 AM
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Old 10-12-2011, 11:23 PM
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The Role of the PI in "Revenge"

This is just a thought, and only a thought, but I can't help but wonder if Victoria's private investigator is actually working deep cover for Emily. Admittedly, it looked like he made an appearance with Victoria in one of the last scenes (in Emily's childhood) tonight, but think about it: The investigator subtly wins Victoria's confidence by appearing to always be "checking on things." Yet he always comes up just a little bit behind Emily's actions, never able to tie her to anything. (Of course, Emily may really be that brilliant...brilliant enough to scramble computer ID addresses to make it look like the Graysons are behind her carnage.)

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Old 10-12-2011, 11:47 PM
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This is just a thought, and only a thought, but I can't help but wonder if Victoria's private investigator is actually working deep cover for Emily. Admittedly, it looked like he made an appearance with Victoria in one of the last scenes (in Emily's childhood) tonight, but think about it: The investigator subtly wins Victoria's confidence by appearing to always be "checking on things." Yet he always comes up just a little bit behind Emily's actions, never able to tie her to anything. (Of course, Emily may really be that brilliant...brilliant enough to scramble computer ID addresses to make it look like the Graysons are behind her carnage.)

Just wondering...any thoughts?
I'm torn.

On one hand it looks like he was the one Victoria handed the laptop in the flashback, so he'd have to be a damn good actor to keep Victoria's trust after utterly betraying her by working for someone else against her.

On the other, we've already seen two instances where Emily has invested a lot of time in setting up her marks - a year's worth of therapy; two years ago she worked on the senator's campaign - so I wouldn't put the sort of long game thinking it'd require past her.


What do other people think about Nolan? I can't help but think he's sort of sweet in his own way...and I don't think wanting to be liked is an act for him. Emily is so driven she probably really doesn't think she needs anyone, but he's not that much like her even though he likes her games.
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Old 10-12-2011, 11:48 PM
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Anyone know why the logo for the show has it written Reven8e? Are there 8 people she's trying to get back at? I mean there's the double-infinity thing, but that can't be it because it's not a double eight, can it?
That's not an implausible thought. The show's writer said that Emily gets fast revenge in the first few episodes to hook the audience. However, the storyline will drag out more in later episodes to increase the tension (and perhaps make the comeuppances more spectacular). If it's 8 people she's after, she's already nailed 4 of them. There are 9 episodes to go, which means that she'll average 2 (or just over 2) episodes to nail the remaining 4. Maybe that's the case, maybe it isn't - but we'll see!
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Old 10-12-2011, 11:56 PM
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I'm torn.

On one hand it looks like he was the one Victoria handed the laptop in the flashback, so he'd have to be a damn good actor to keep Victoria's trust after utterly betraying her by working for someone else against her.

On the other, we've already seen two instances where Emily has invested a lot of time in setting up her marks - a year's worth of therapy; two years ago she worked on the senator's campaign - so I wouldn't put the sort of long game thinking it'd require past her.


What do other people think about Nolan? I can't help but think he's sort of sweet in his own way...and I don't think wanting to be liked is an act for him. Emily is so driven she probably really doesn't think she needs anyone, but he's not that much like her even though he likes her games.
Nolan's a real puzzle. He always seems to have Emily's best interests at heart, since her father believed in his hi-tech concept. I feel a little sad that Emily keeps shoving him out of the way, although she has to do so to keep her secret operations as airtight as possible. Still, Nolan's pretty resilient - he knows that Emily wants him out of the way, but doggedly helps her out in many situations. The guy's kind of like Mozart in "Amadeus" - the young genius who is so brilliant that he has a happy-go-lucky, somewhat scatterbrained personality.
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Old 10-13-2011, 12:01 AM
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I'm torn.

On one hand it looks like he was the one Victoria handed the laptop in the flashback, so he'd have to be a damn good actor to keep Victoria's trust after utterly betraying her by working for someone else against her.

On the other, we've already seen two instances where Emily has invested a lot of time in setting up her marks - a year's worth of therapy; two years ago she worked on the senator's campaign - so I wouldn't put the sort of long game thinking it'd require past her.


What do other people think about Nolan? I can't help but think he's sort of sweet in his own way...and I don't think wanting to be liked is an act for him. Emily is so driven she probably really doesn't think she needs anyone, but he's not that much like her even though he likes her games.

Back to the investigator - yes, he would have to be one helluvan actor to pull it off, but he carries an air of steely confidence. Ex-Marine or SEAL before he joined the FBI perhaps? Don't know, but he doesn't look easy to fase. Whatever his motivations, it would be a heckuva twist if he really is working for Emily...maybe a secret family connection to her? I'm probably stretching here, but who knows?
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Old 10-13-2011, 12:07 AM
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I have to wonder what the deal is with Daniel Grayson's Harvard pal? He has some kind of agenda...but what?
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Old 10-13-2011, 12:12 AM
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I have to wonder what the deal is with Daniel Grayson's Harvard pal? He has some kind of agenda...but what?
We think he's just broke and wants Daniel drinking again so he'll pay his way for stuff. It's possible that he's broke and Victoria's paying him to try to ruin things between Emily and Daniel, though.
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Old 10-13-2011, 01:11 AM
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I've watched both episodes so far. I'm not sure what role the struggling bar owner and his two sons play in the show, although the older son named the boat after the main character. So perhaps he liked her (although she was very young when the original events occurred). Perhaps those characters represent certain characters in The Count of Monte Cristo? I'm not sure how closely this story is following that one.
The Count of Monte Cristo was a huge book and it's been two or three years since I reread it, but--there were a lot of characters other than the four who originally sold out Edmond Dantes that the Count gets revenge on. I'm thinking the parallel here is to the boatbuilder, who was ruined by the loss of one of his boats and whose family was going into ruin because of it, including something with his daughter--she might have to marry someone she didn't fancy, or something like that. At any rate, this guy was a friend to Edmond and stayed loyal to him, so his business and family are saved by the Count. I think he's pretty much the parallel to the bar owner. But, as I say, there were a lot of people in the Count's sights by the time he got everything all set up (which took years).

What is not in the book, and it's kind of a plot flaw for me, is the computer geek guy, who is almost the god from the sky in a lot of episodes.

Still...I'm hooked...
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:24 AM
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What is not in the book, and it's kind of a plot flaw for me, is the computer geek guy, who is almost the god from the sky in a lot of episodes.
Ummm...Abbe Faria?

Obvi not a perfect parallel (what with him being active in the plot), but surely that's his role.
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We think he's just broke and wants Daniel drinking again so he'll pay his way for stuff. It's possible that he's broke and Victoria's paying him to try to ruin things between Emily and Daniel, though.
That makes sense - I especially like the second possibility. Being in Victoria's pocket could explain the fact that he hid Daniel's cell phone. (*plus he's at least outwardly interested in Emily's friend Ashley...though that could be a ruse.)
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Old 10-13-2011, 02:40 PM
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They changed the actor who played her dad when she was young. The new guy fits in better.
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Old 10-13-2011, 05:37 PM
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This is just a thought, and only a thought, but I can't help but wonder if Victoria's private investigator is actually working deep cover for Emily. Admittedly, it looked like he made an appearance with Victoria in one of the last scenes (in Emily's childhood) tonight, but think about it: The investigator subtly wins Victoria's confidence by appearing to always be "checking on things." Yet he always comes up just a little bit behind Emily's actions, never able to tie her to anything. (Of course, Emily may really be that brilliant...brilliant enough to scramble computer ID addresses to make it look like the Graysons are behind her carnage.)

Just wondering...any thoughts?
As you point out, the PI was part of the conspiracy to frame Emily's dad. If he's working for Emily at all, he must not know who she is.
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Old 10-13-2011, 05:41 PM
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Ummm...Abbe Faria?

Obvi not a perfect parallel (what with him being active in the plot), but surely that's his role.
The Count did have compatriots, Bertuccio and Haydee. Nolan is probably filling in for Bertuccio. Jack would be Haydee.
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Old 10-13-2011, 06:32 PM
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Ummm...Abbe Faria?

Obvi not a perfect parallel (what with him being active in the plot), but surely that's his role.
Kind of, but...he was just the starting point. He didn't come in and save the Count on every adventure; and the Count set up the stock-market diversion quite without the Abbe's help, for instance.
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As you point out, the PI was part of the conspiracy to frame Emily's dad. If he's working for Emily at all, he must not know who she is.
Hmm. OK, let me rerun that first episode and reevaluate that...
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Hmm. OK, let me rerun that first episode and reevaluate that...
It was the new episode. Victoria snuck in to the house to grab Emily's dad's laptop, and handed it to the PI.
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We think he's just broke and wants Daniel drinking again so he'll pay his way for stuff. It's possible that he's broke and Victoria's paying him to try to ruin things between Emily and Daniel, though.
Except they took pains to show us that he wasn't drinking on Daniels dime. My wife thinks it might be that he is obsessed and in love with Daniel.
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:09 AM
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Except they took pains to show us that he wasn't drinking on Daniels dime. My wife thinks it might be that he is obsessed and in love with Daniel.
Hmm. But what was his game, then? He couldn't have known that canceling for Daniel would lead to Daniel seeing Emily invite Jack in for a drink, so it's not like he could have set Daniel up to need a shoulder to cry on.
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Bunch of unrelated comments.

I'm really enjoying this show.

Yes. The PI was who Victoria gave the laptop to for sure. I would be surprised if he is working with Amanda. It seems to me that he must be on the revenge list.

I think the roommate is no longer rich and is somehow working an angle to stay there for the summer. Although, the way he said goodnight made me think JSexton's wife has a point.

I like Nolan and do feel bad every time she turns him away. I also like that bartender. But, here's the thing. It seems like the bartender has a crush that he carried onto adulthood on Amanda - even naming a boat after her. But, he was like 10 when she left. That's a bit much. Although, maybe he just remembers her fondly since he likes that immortal dog so much.

I know they changed the guy who played the father before the show started. (They were going to have Marc Blucas. But, he dropped out when some other show got picked up.) But, I think the guy from this week's episode is the same as the one from the pilot. He looked the same, at least.

Man. So far, I think the doctor has deserved her revenge more than anyone else. Who treats a kid like that?
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Old 10-14-2011, 10:17 AM
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Hmm. But what was his game, then? He couldn't have known that canceling for Daniel would lead to Daniel seeing Emily invite Jack in for a drink, so it's not like he could have set Daniel up to need a shoulder to cry on.
No, I think his plan was just to split them up. Jack coming over was an unexpected bonus. In fact, I have a theory, which I'll put in spoiler boxes. It's all speculation, based on no actual spoilers, but better safe than sorry.

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Harvard Guy is in fact obsessed with Daniel, and is trying to split up Daniel and Emily. So much so that it will turn out that he is Daniel's killer from the opening scene, in a "if I can't have him no one will" twist. Further, he set up Jack to take the fall for the death (hence his appearance at the end of the scene) to ensure that Emily won't be happy no matter what. This then sets up next season, as Emily takes her revenge on Harvard Guy.
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No, I think his plan was just to split them up. Jack coming over was an unexpected bonus. In fact, I have a theory, which I'll put in spoiler boxes. It's all speculation, based on no actual spoilers, but better safe than sorry.

SPOILER:

Harvard Guy is in fact obsessed with Daniel, and is trying to split up Daniel and Emily. So much so that it will turn out that he is Daniel's killer from the opening scene, in a "if I can't have him no one will" twist. Further, he set up Jack to take the fall for the death (hence his appearance at the end of the scene) to ensure that Emily won't be happy no matter what. This then sets up next season, as Emily takes her revenge on Harvard Guy.
Brilliant! That would be amazing...
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Old 10-14-2011, 10:57 AM
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jSexton, that was some good speculation.shame people here on the dope don't actually write the plots for these tv shows...
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Old 10-14-2011, 11:07 AM
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FYI, the show Revenge has been picked up and extended for the full season.

So, from the most recent episode, I guess we will see a lot of revenge on people we don't yet know about. I don't believe there was any mention of a psychiatrist until she became a target. I guess we will be surprised when revenge is taken upon that evil hairdresser, that smart-assed DMV clerk and that woman who had 12 items in the under 10 item line at the supermarket.
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:55 PM
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I have to say though after watching the psychiatrist talking to young Amanda *I* wanted revenge on her.
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Old 10-16-2011, 01:39 PM
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So I'm new here and haven't had a chance to read thru all the posts just yet, but surely someone has mentioned on here that it's possible it's not Daniel who was shot in the first episode????
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Old 10-16-2011, 07:27 PM
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So I'm new here and haven't had a chance to read thru all the posts just yet, but surely someone has mentioned on here that it's possible it's not Daniel who was shot in the first episode????
I wanted to say that it's unlikely since Charlotte is the one who sounds the alarm, but from rewatching that scene in the pilot it looks like only Declan actually looked at the body before she ran off for help.

Hmm...Daniel and Charlotte's soon-to-be former boyfriend are about the same size and coloring, and we never do see dead guy's face... But if it's not Daniel, why would Declan not correct the impression that it is? You'd think if he saw his (presumably) girlfriend freak out thinking her brother was dead, he'd make sure she knew otherwise immediately.

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Old 10-16-2011, 09:16 PM
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I'm just waiting for the big reveal to eventually be that Amanda/Emily's father really was guilty as charged.
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Old 10-17-2011, 11:22 AM
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I'll have to re-watch again as well. I didnt see Declan see the face.......and it's clear the audience never does or anyone at the party. I'm thinking possibly Tyler could be the shooting victim.
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:30 PM
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Looks like episode 15 we find out for sure who was murdered on the beach
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