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Old 02-09-2012, 12:13 AM
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Can vaginal or anal penetration by large objects cause permanent damage?

If you take a look at some more extreme porn you will see vaginal and anal insertion of non-penile objects as small as baseball bats and arms and wine bottles and as large as tree trunks. You'll even see dildos as broad as a muscled thigh, often the orifice looks strange compared to most.

Hell for a famous example look at "goat sex man" which unlike the name would suggest was not bestiality but instead a picture of a man using his hands to hold open his anal sphincter so wide you could see his rectum.

What is the deal with this? Can this stuff lead to real and lasting damage?
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Old 02-09-2012, 12:16 AM
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well i think it kind of goes without much thought that YES of course.

my brother is a CSI and told me about a kid who used a thick wooden handled mop to...you know. in his...you know.

he ended up slipping, tearing, then bleeding out. to death.
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Old 02-09-2012, 12:20 AM
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... vaginal and anal insertion of non-penile objects as small as baseball bats and arms and wine bottles and as large as tree trunks.

Can this stuff lead to real and lasting damage?
I'd hazard a guess that it could.
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Old 02-09-2012, 12:25 AM
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well i think it kind of goes without much thought that YES of course.

my brother is a CSI and told me about a kid who used a thick wooden handled mop to...you know. in his...you know.

he ended up slipping, tearing, then bleeding out. to death.
Well thats a puncture wound or a tear, which is a risk I know, but when it happens in porn they are using blunt(er) objects and LOTS of lube plus it is obvious they have worked up to such a large object. Does the stretching itself lead to problems?

I see references saying no but being able to hold your anal sphincter open is obviously not normal anatomy.
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Old 02-09-2012, 12:47 AM
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Well, a baby's head and shoulders passes through the Vagina. Anything bigger than that will probably cause injury. I think its safe to assume a bowling ball won't fit.

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Old 02-09-2012, 12:54 AM
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Well, a baby's head and shoulders passes through the Vagina. Anything bigger than that will probably cause injury. I think its safe to assume a bowling ball won't fit.
A lot of women have died in childbirth. That doesn't answer the OP but I think it does figure in.
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:02 AM
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Yes, I would presume the answer could be yes.
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:07 AM
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Is this a “Need answer fast” question?
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:19 AM
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The perineum will tear if the vagina doesn't stretch wide enough for a baby. I'd assume if would also tear for any foreign object that is too big.

They even have classifications for the amount of tearing. Makes me wince just reading about it. Ouch!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perinea...classification

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Old 02-09-2012, 01:20 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised if the people who sodomize themselves with ridiculously large objects end up losing control of their bowel movements.

But I think the real question here is: why does it concern you so much?

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Old 02-09-2012, 01:23 AM
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http://www.emedicinehealth.com/recta...article_em.htm
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:34 AM
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It would depend on how large or sharp these objects might be, but an anal sphincter could be lacerated, and I imagine perineal tearing could occur.
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Old 02-09-2012, 03:01 AM
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Well, there once was a guy in a multi-car traffic accident who was found in the hospital to have had an entire v-6 engine jammed far, far up his anus--amazingly, doctors discovered that he actually had a little more room in there for an even bigger engine. His groggy response?

"Wow, I could have had a v-8!"
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Old 02-09-2012, 06:34 AM
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this is the worst conversation. just. ugh.
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Old 02-09-2012, 07:11 AM
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Hell for a famous example look at "goat sex man" which unlike the name would suggest was not bestiality but instead a picture of a man using his hands to hold open his anal sphincter so wide you could see his rectum.
rectum...
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huh, damn near killed him


Actually, I would not be surprised if in many cases little to no damage was done. The human body can do surprising things - take a contortionist for example. I would injure myself trying to fit into an 18" glass cube, but with training and practice (and some biological luck) it can be done. If you take time and work up to a major insertion (as a womans body does in preparation for birth, which is going the other way), there is no reason it could not be done.

Done incautiously and without such prep, and a damaging or fatal injury could easily result.

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Old 02-09-2012, 07:59 AM
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As some have pointed out, most women stretch their vagina large enough to fit a 7-lb object. However, they have hormones that assist in this and it happens somewhat slowly. I would imagine any of the damage comes from tensing up so that stretching could pull and tear not just skin but the underlying muscles. Or, as one old timer told me about child-birth, "by the fifth or sixth they get so loose it just pops out easily..."

There was a case I read about in Canada many years ago where two women got into a drunken fight, one grabbed the broom and stuck it up the other's rectum, then made her sweep the floor. She later died from internal infections and damage.

The problem is not diameter, but that the colon (and intestines) are not designed to be as hardy as a vagina; they make thier own "foreign object" that is usually pretty soft and mushy. SO tearing is a real danger with excessively large, excessively hard objects. Of course, there's a big difference between found household object with the risk of splinters, purpose made plastic object with less risk of damage, or human appendages as long as there are no fingernails to tear the wall.

Plus, with the amount of unusual bacteria in the colon, giving that stuff a direct path to the bloodstream via a cut is a really bad idea. It's why people shot in the gut risk a slow, painful death without serious medical intervention.

It's said that the reason why women are more likely to catch AIDS than men is that vigorous sex, even done right, can leave tiny tears on the soft tissue of the vagina. It's also one reason why uncircumcised men are more likely to get AIDS from sex - the foreskin will also experience the microtears inside, and inside dries slowwer so the virus has more time to get in. The colon is even less hardy, which is why (as well as promiscuity) AIDS was originally found most commonly in gay men.

But done carefully and not vigorously, with the proper "tools", my guess is the only permanent damage is loosening of the muscles, and some santorum stains on the bedding.
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:55 AM
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<snip>But done carefully and not vigorously, with the proper "tools", my guess is the only permanent damage is loosening of the muscles, and some santorum stains on the bedding.
Can we please leave politics out of this?!?!

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Old 02-09-2012, 10:25 AM
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Tree trunks?!?!? Are you seriously asking whether penetration by a tree trunk can cause permanent damage?

And I think we need a new word beyond "santorum" for this. If it includes things like bark and moss, let's call it "gingrich."

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Old 02-09-2012, 10:41 AM
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This would be a great Mythbusters episode. And a porn movie called Miss Busters.
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Old 02-09-2012, 10:42 AM
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Tree trunks?!?!? Are you seriously asking whether penetration by a tree trunk can cause permanent damage?

And I think we need a new word beyond "santorum" for this. If it includes things like bark and moss, let's call it "gingrich."
Well I didn't say an actual tree trunk, but objects the size of. Ok not a redwood but a small tree trunk yea.

These look tame to some of the things I have seen:

brutaldildos dot com
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Old 02-09-2012, 10:45 AM
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Search; Fisting; and see what health complications can arise.
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Old 02-09-2012, 10:49 AM
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this is the worst conversation. just. ugh.
New to the Internet, are you?
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Old 02-09-2012, 11:28 AM
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Well I didn't say an actual tree trunk, but objects the size of. Ok not a redwood but a small tree trunk yea.

These look tame to some of the things I have seen:

brutaldildos dot com
That website is sad. The women do not look as though they are enjoying it.
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:17 PM
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Man killed by a horse. In that way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enumclaw_horse_sex_case

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During a July 2005 sex act, videotaped by a friend, he suffered a perforated colon and later died of his injuries.
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:18 PM
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Can we please leave politics out of this?!?!
What? It's a perfectly legitimate word recognized by people who need such a word for its specific meaning; you can even find it on Google.

Just don't capitolize it.
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:26 PM
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It doesn't even take extreme porn objects to cause permanent damage. Many victims of rape suffer permanent damage. If you have the stomach for it, just search something like "rape fistula Africa" and I'm sure you'll find more horror stories than needed to illustrate the point.

Of course, there's a difference between a violent act and one you willingly perform on yourself, but what's surprising to me is how little damage can be caused when you do it right.
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:31 PM
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How big are we talking here? I mean is this why they call a bread box a bread box?
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Old 02-09-2012, 03:14 PM
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A link to the Unca Cecil column I quote the most. After reading it, you will never again look at a bottle of Aunt Jemina's maple syrup the same way.

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For starters, an awful lot of stuff has been found where that gerbil was found. The medical journals list, among other things, the following astonishing array: <snip>a six-by-five-inch tool box weighing 22 ounces, a six-inch stone weighing two pounds (in the latter two cases the patients died due to intestinal obstruction)

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Old 02-09-2012, 03:53 PM
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What? It's a perfectly legitimate word recognized by people who need such a word for its specific meaning; you can even find it on Google.

Just don't capitolize it.
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Old 02-09-2012, 04:07 PM
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:33 PM
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:50 PM
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Man killed by a horse. In that way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enumclaw_horse_sex_case

During a July 2005 sex act, videotaped by a friend, he suffered a perforated colon and later died of his injuries.
How the FUCK does that come up in conversation?!

"Listen Rodger, we've been friends for a long time..."

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Old 02-09-2012, 07:01 PM
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How the FUCK does that come up in conversation?!

"Listen Rodger, we've been friends for a long time..."
"Hey, hold my beer and watch this"
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Old 02-09-2012, 07:33 PM
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This guy knew the answer to the OP's question.
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:54 PM
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Rectums and vaginas don't prolapse because of hard sneezes.
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:59 PM
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The answer is that it can, but that there is a community of people who enjoy stretching their orifices with no injury. A woman known as "BJ" has a web site where both her anus and vagina stretch to accept objects as large as two fists, a bowling pin and even a three liter soda bottle. She deals with these questions on her FAQ.
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:48 AM
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Man killed by a horse. In that way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enumclaw_horse_sex_case
What is nice is that the state of Washington passed a law against bestiality as a result of this case. That'll lern'em!
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:55 AM
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"Hey, hold my beer and watch this"
"Oh and hold this camera. You zoom in and out with the little button right here. Right, now make sure to keep it in focus.."

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