SDMB Bigoted Asshole Omnibus Thread

[olivesmarch4th]

We get it. You're racist.

The main races are Negro, Caucasian, and Mongoloid. Australian Aborigines, and the aboriginal inhabitants of New Guinea are a fourth race. The differences between these races are sufficient that they can be determined by DNA testing, and the examination of skeletons.

Europeans are a subset of Caucasians. Orientals are a subset of Mongoloids. There are considerable differences between these and others in terms of average intelligence, and crime rates.

Negroes, whites, and Orientals are the three main races. Together they make up more than three quarters of the human population. As Professor Rushton has pointed out, they differ significantly not only in appearance, but in average ability levels and behavior.

If poverty produces low IQs why is it that Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe, who were poor when they came to the United States during the turn of the last century produced children and grandchildren who distinguished themselves intellectually? Why is it that after one or two generations Oriental Americans usually earn more than white Americans?

More garbage here.

I'm not going to debate with you. I'm just going to kindly ask you (and by you, I mean all you racist fuckers) to stop wasting space on my message board. Your opinions are moronic, and the fact that you refuse to acknowledge the vast body of evidence to the contrary of your genetics argument does not speak well to your own intelligence. I note you haven't responded to a single question in that thread - maybe cuz you got nothin'? You speak so eloquently about your racism, but it's basically a bunch of garbage recycled from some website you read voraciously in order to bolster your stupid argument. Homeboy read The Bell Curve and now he thinks he knows what's up.

Well, sir, you do not know what is up. I don't care what you have to say. It's just BLAH BLAH BLAH to me. I'm tired of getting pissed off every time I go to Great Debates to try to learn something. I have enough ignorance of my own and it's a PITA to have to deal with someone else's. So shut up.

And try to appreciate the fact that you are the first Doper I have ever pitted. I rarely insult people, but you're special.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by olivesmarch4th

I'm tired of getting pissed off every time I go to Great Debates to try to learn something.

No, that's what GQ is for.

[Kobal2]

Originally Posted by olivesmarch4th

I don't care what you have to say. It's just BLAH BLAH BLAH to me.

You'd rather he met you in the back, with the Jack and the jukebox ?

[The Tao's Revenge]

If ancestry denotes intelligence, New Deal Democrat's mother must have got knocked up by a goat.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by olivesmarch4th

We get it. You're racist.

Such a harsh, un-PC word! I think they prefer "racial realist" nowadays. (Those who do not prefer "White Nationalist," that is. Of course, there's no need to choose.)

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by The Tao's Revenge

If ancestry denotes intelligence, New Deal Democrat's mother must have got knocked up by a goat.

By a sheep. Goats are smart, for graminivorous quadrupeds.

[olivesmarch4th]

Originally Posted by Kobal2

You'd rather he met you in the back, with the Jack and the jukebox ?

Is this one of those things I'm too young to understand?

[zoid]

I just have to say that if you can get that kind of reaction from olives then you must really be a piece of work!

[Kobal2]

Originally Posted by olivesmarch4th

Is this one of those things I'm too young to understand?

Quite the opposite, I'm afraid.

[BrainGlutton]

In the et al. category, I offer a friendly amendment to include the more genteelly and less blatantly/honestly racist Chen019.

[LavenderBlue]

I approve of this pitting. Of course I'm lavender and blue so I wonder what race New Deal Democrat believes me to be?

The term oriental is particularly ridiculous. It's the sort of word my grandmother might have used and she was born in 1898.

[The Tao's Revenge]

Originally Posted by BrainGlutton

In the et al. category, I offer a friendly amendment to include the more genteelly and less blatantly/honestly racist Chen019.

Now you know how the sheep fit in all this.

[typoink]

Originally Posted by LavenderBlue

The term oriental is particularly ridiculous. It's the sort of word my grandmother might have used and she was born in 1898.

To be (overly) generous, there are some non-racist folks who insist "Oriental" is a better term because "Asian" is overly broad. There's truth to that, but it's superceded by the yucky etymology of the term and the fact that you can easily be more specific by...being more specific.

I heartily support this pitting as well; NDD is just...so obtuse. It's one thing (albeit still controversial and prone to vehemence) to make intellectually honest arguments about race and intelligence. NDD's propensity to blather and ignore seems deeply antithetical to the whole reason I generally like this forum.

I don't so much mind the existence of racists here, but I'd prefer a better sort of racist.

[typoink]

Every time I see a tumblr thread with people calling faux-tribal tattoos or punk haircuts racist, I can't help but wonder if they realize there are still people arguing that negro brains are physically inferior.

[John Mace]

Originally Posted by BrainGlutton

No, that's what GQ is for.

What I want to know is why the fuck do you start a thread to deliberately invite those idiots into a debate? None of them is going to change his mind, and all you do is make other people come in a debunk his nonsense. Did you learn nothing form that time when you deliberately invited the StormFronters into this MB? What the fuck is the point of enabling Trolls?

[Amasia]

Olives, I would take comfort in the fact that NDD is a striking example of someone whose profession of their goals achieves the exact opposite of their intended outcome. Most people have never met someone like NDD in real life and might be tempted to believe they no longer exist. I can see myself being swayed into believing that educational aid should be shifted away from ethnically based policies to purely socioeconomic markers. However, then I see someone like NDD posting and I think, right- we're not there yet. We still have asshats like this to deal with. So, his postings bolster support for affirmative action and racially-based preferences, which I am sure is not his goal.

So while NDD's posting might be annoying, it is helpful to remember that there are still segments of the population who are scared to death of non-whities and two, it's good practice arguing against dum-dums.

[New Deal Democrat]

Originally Posted by olivesmarch4th

I'm not going to debate with you.

Then why did you even start this? You obviously have nothing rational to contribute.

For too long the word "racist" has been used to inhibit a candid, public discussion of black social pathology and the durability of the race gap in academic performance.

Liberals call for a "dialogue on race," but they have done everything possible to inhibit an honest dialogue. What they want is a monologue, with them doing the talking, and whites listening shame faced like children who have done what they know is wrong.

[New Deal Democrat]

Originally Posted by Amasia

Olives, I would take comfort in the fact that NDD is a striking example of someone whose profession of their goals achieves the exact opposite of their intended outcome. Most people have never met someone like NDD in real life and might be tempted to believe they no longer exist. I can see myself being swayed into believing that educational aid should be shifted away from ethnically based policies to purely socioeconomic markers. However, then I see someone like NDD posting and I think, right- we're not there yet. We still have asshats like this to deal with. So, his postings bolster support for affirmative action and racially-based preferences, which I am sure is not his goal.

So while NDD's posting might be annoying, it is helpful to remember that there are still segments of the population who are scared to death of non-whities and two, it's good practice arguing against dum-dums.

I post facts. You blow hot air.

[New Deal Democrat]

Originally Posted by John Mace

What I want to know is why the fuck do you start a thread to deliberately invite those idiots into a debate? None of them is going to change his mind, and all you do is make other people come in a debunk his nonsense. Did you learn nothing form that time when you deliberately invited the StormFronters into this MB? What the fuck is the point of enabling Trolls?

My mind cannot be changed by yelling silly insults at me. Instead, prove that most blacks behave and perform as well as most whites.

[New Deal Democrat]

Originally Posted by olivesmarch4th

We get it. You're racist.

the fact that you refuse to acknowledge the vast body of evidence to the contrary of your genetics argument does not speak well to your own intelligence.

What evidence are you talking about? I have documented that blacks have high crime rates, and low average intelligence. Where is the contrary evidence?

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by John Mace

What I want to know is why the fuck do you start a thread to deliberately invite those idiots into a debate? None of them is going to change his mind, and all you do is make other people come in a debunk his nonsense. Did you learn nothing form that time when you deliberately invited the StormFronters into this MB? What the fuck is the point of enabling Trolls?

One gets the chance to study their behavior, as it were. Know The Enemy. Besides, they're invariably good for a laugh.

[New Deal Democrat]

Originally Posted by olivesmarch4th

I'm tired of getting pissed off every time I go to Great Debates to try to learn something.

People do not get angry when beliefs they are confident of are questioned. People get angry when opinions they want to believe in, but privately doubt are exposed as prejudices with nothing behind them but hot air.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by olivesmarch4th

I'm not going to debate with you.

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

Then why did you even start this?

Because this is the Pit. Look it up.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

People do not get angry when beliefs they are confident of are questioned.

Not in my experience, here and elsewhere. Not in yours either, asshole.

[Der Trihs]

Originally Posted by typoink

To be (overly) generous, there are some non-racist folks who insist "Oriental" is a better term because "Asian" is overly broad. There's truth to that, but it's superceded by the yucky etymology of the term and the fact that you can easily be more specific by...being more specific.

I've heard the etymology of the term given as referring to "the Latin word oriens meaning "east", and as a reference to the archaic custom of hanging maps east side up, so that east was where the map was "oriented". Neither strikes me as especially "yucky". Personally I regard it as somewhat archaic but not racist (unless used in a racist context). It makes it sound like you are talking about something set in the 18th or 19th century; "And this is something Lord Higgensbotham brought back from his Oriental expedition".

[florez]

Originally Posted by BrainGlutton

One gets the chance to study their behavior, as it were. Know The Enemy. Besides, they're invariably good for a laugh.

BrainGlutton, I had a little friend like you when I was a child. He found a nasty, stinky, and ugly little bug in the bushes, and he took it out to where the other children could look at it and see what it would do. I felt sorry for the little bug then, but not so much in this case.

[RaftPeople]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

People get angry when opinions they want to believe in, but privately doubt are exposed as prejudices with nothing behind them but hot air.

So, that's why you're angry?

[Belowjob2.0]

NDD, you've got to get away from the computer, and get out in the world. Start checking out black guys' packages the way you long so desperately to do.

Bring a tape measure and some Astroglide and get to work! Take some pictures. Post them on the appropriate websites. It's okay. John Travolta shares your fascination.

[Little Nemo]

Originally Posted by olivesmarch4th

We get it. You're racist.

And try to appreciate the fact that you are the first Doper I have ever pitted. I rarely insult people, but you're special.

I reached this same point a year ago. I've been on this board for over a decade and I've only pitted a couple of other posters. But I pitted New Deal Democrat and his views on race.

[Kobal2]

Originally Posted by Der Trihs

I've heard the etymology of the term given as referring to "the Latin word oriens meaning "east", and as a reference to the archaic custom of hanging maps east side up, so that east was where the map was "oriented".

The word negro similarly comes from the Latin, via Spanish. Nigger is itself derived from negro. It just means "black". Etymology has little to do with why a word is offensive or not. In this case, oriental is not a comfortable word to use, because by now and due to past usages and associations it reeks of old fashioned colonialism, the Yellow Peril and so forth.

So, y'know. Pretty much what NDD stands for

[Sitnam]

Originally Posted by Belowjob2.0

NDD, you've got to get away from the computer, and get out in the world. Start checking out black guys' packages the way you long so desperately to do.

Bring a tape measure and some Astroglide and get to work! Take some pictures. Post them on the appropriate websites. It's okay. John Travolta shares your fascination.

Exactly what I was thinking, cock length is such a juvenile subject for statistical citing. Either the NDD believes that is a solid fact and slam dunks his case or he's really interested in penis size....or both.

[Kenm]

Originally Posted by olivesmarch4th

Is this one of those things I'm too young to understand?

Yeah, unless 1946 was a good year for you. Drop your jack in the old jukebox at the 2:54 mark.

[John Mace]

Originally Posted by BrainGlutton

One gets the chance to study their behavior, as it were. Know The Enemy. Besides, they're invariably good for a laugh.

So, you're a troll, too? I hadn't thought that before, but now I'm not so sure.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by John Mace

So, you're a troll, too? I hadn't thought that before, but now I'm not so sure.

Trolling With The Truth is a completely different kind of activity than what you are thinking of.

[BrainGlutton]

This eugenics thread, BTW, is not trolling by any definition, I am genuinely interested in the discussion. For that matter, I'm genuinely interested in discussion of correlations between "race," however defined, and psychological characteristics -- if there's anything at all there, it is important to know that; and if there is nothing at all there, it is important to know that too. (Going by those GD threads now running, nothing-there is far and away the most plausible conclusion.)

But, John is right, this 2004 thread could arguably be classified as trolling. (Putting "I dare you!" in the thread title is something of a tell . . .)

[Condescending Robot]

Personally, I'm just tickled pink to get shut down by a mod when I say that I don't like black pastors draining money from black churchgoers, but this dude can literally post "black people are genetically dumber than white people" a hundred times, including in threads about wildly distant topics, and that apparently doesn't run afoul of the standard for racism.

[Qin Shi Huangdi]

Originally Posted by Condescending Robot

Personally, I'm just tickled pink to get shut down by a mod when I say that I don't like black pastors draining money from black churchgoers, but this dude can literally post "black people are genetically dumber than white people" a hundred times, including in threads about wildly distant topics, and that apparently doesn't run afoul of the standard for racism.

Racism isn't banned on this forum as long as you don't troll by using racial slurs for example.

[gamerunknown]

It is handy to be a little more specific than "Asian" sometimes. One can tell whether someone is from East Asia rather than India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh or Pakistan at a glance. Slightly more difficult to tell with Malaysian and Indonesian people, but that's because race isn't an immutable characteristic. I think it's slightly more offensive to say "oh, that guy over there looks Chinese/Indian" when one can't tell which specific country they're from.

Not that I'm advocating for using the term "oriental", but "West Asian" isn't really an adequate descriptor.

[MrDibble]

Originally Posted by gamerunknown

It is handy to be a little more specific than "Asian" sometimes.

Really? When?

One can tell whether someone is from East Asia rather than India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh or Pakistan at a glance.

And? One can also tell a North Indian very easily from a south Indian, the differences are even more marked. Why does "East Asian" not cut it, then?

Slightly more difficult to tell with Malaysian and Indonesian people, but that's because race isn't an immutable characteristic.

No, it's a continuum. There are aboriginal people on Taiwan who would more fit in in a Dayak village than in Mainland China. Never mind the most easterly Japanese...

I think it's slightly more offensive to say "oh, that guy over there looks Chinese/Indian" when one can't tell which specific country they're from.

Well, if you feel the need to run around making that sort of observation, you may have bigger problems.

Unless you're always having to describe absent people to others (I know the old saw about the person going to great lengths to avoid saying "The Black one" at a party) one or two extra words on top of "Asian" should do - "South Asian" for people from the subcontinent or "South East Asian" for Thai, Burmese, Malays, Indonesia, etc.

Not that I'm advocating for using the term "oriental", but "West Asian" isn't really an adequate descriptor.

"Middle Eastern" is perhaps a more common descriptor there. But then some people can't seem to tell a Sikh from an Arab, so I may be wrong.

[Gyrate]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

For too long the word "racist" has been used to inhibit a candid, public discussion of black social pathology and the durability of the race gap in academic performance.

Liberals call for a "dialogue on race," but they have done everything possible to inhibit an honest dialogue. What they want is a monologue, with them doing the talking, and whites listening shame faced like children who have done what they know is wrong.

It's true - just ask a perfectly honest and open question like "Which makes black people so stupid: their huge penises or their tiny brains?" and liberals will start right in with how racist you are. Clearly their minds aren't open to scientific debate.

[Wheelz]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

For too long the word "racist" has been used to inhibit a candid, public discussion of black social pathology and the durability of the race gap in academic performance.

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

My mind cannot be changed by yelling silly insults at me. Instead, prove that most blacks behave and perform as well as most whites.

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

What evidence are you talking about? I have documented that blacks have high crime rates, and low average intelligence. Where is the contrary evidence?

Wow. Just, wow.
NDD hasn't really been on my radar before this thread, but I've never seen anybody walk into his own pit thread and so thoroughly confirm the reasons for the pitting. What a fucking racist asshole. Go back to 1960, moron.

[Mr. Excellent]

Originally Posted by Wheelz

Wow. Just, wow.
NDD hasn't really been on my radar before this thread, but I've never seen anybody walk into his own pit thread and so thoroughly confirm the reasons for the pitting. What a fucking racist asshole. Go back to 1960, moron.

There were nice people in 1960! Granted, also a lot of jerks, but nice people as well. Why would you inflict NDD on them?

[RickJay]

Originally Posted by MrDibble

Really? When?And? One can also tell a North Indian very easily from a south Indian, the differences are even more marked.

It's also flatly comical to anyone who is at all familiar with people from different part of Africa to think that "black" is one race. "African" is not a physically homogenous group, not in the extreme; people from Ghana do not look anything like people from Ethiopia, who in turn don't look the slightest bit like the Khoisan people (who look like Jeff, the purple Wiggle who's always falling asleep, who in turn is of Chinese descent.) Different African groups look as different to me, physically, as Wesley Snipes and Neil Patrick Harris.

If race exists, there is no rational basis, none whatsoeer, for saying Nigerians are the same race as Somalians. None at all. They don't look anything alike; they are more genetically separated than any groups of white people. Hell, I haven't even mentioned the various pygmy groups; it's kind of hard to deny they have a rather striking physical difference.

But race, of course, is a SOCIAL construct. In North America there is a distinct social and historical difference between people who ancestors were from Europe and people whose ancestors were from Africa, so that is the racial divide that matters socially, even if it's not particularly meaningful genetically. The racial divides between, say, Bantu and East African were not socially significant, and so were assumed by most people to not be scientifically significant (or even to exist) even though they do. In different times and palces other racial divides were important; people used to think of the Irish as racially different from the English, and to this day many still think of Jews as racially distinct. "Hispanic" today is an artificial bullshit racial divide that's often bandied about, but wasn't so much 100 years ago and will probaly be forgotten in the future.

And so, retards like New Deal Democrat assume that all people descended from "Africa" must be genetically similar, though of course it's the most genetically diverse place on Earth. Or they just ignore the existence of North American aboriginals (it screws up race-based intelligence theories) and such.

Anyway, NDD is just thrilled to have discovered Philippe Rushton, a long-discredited racist psychologist. It's a burp, and he'll stop when he gets done fapping about it.

[Darth Panda]

Some of my best friends are goats.

[Wheelz]

Originally Posted by Mr. Excellent

There were nice people in 1960! Granted, also a lot of jerks, but nice people as well. Why would you inflict NDD on them?

Because I wasn't born yet?
You're right, though, 1960 doesn't deserve this clown either, just that his idiotic ramblings wouldn't have seemed so out of place then.

I hereby revise my previous statement to read, "Go away, moron, never to resurface at any time during the past, present, or future."

[purplehorseshoe]

Originally Posted by Wheelz

Wow. Just, wow.
NDD hasn't really been on my radar before this thread, but I've never seen anybody walk into his own pit thread and so thoroughly confirm the reasons for the pitting. . .

Me, neither. Opened this thread only because I thought olives was pitting some newbie, and thought, "That doesn't sound like the olives I know ... " Then ... I read on ...

Wowza.

[New Deal Democrat]

Originally Posted by Wheelz

Wow. Just, wow.
NDD hasn't really been on my radar before this thread, but I've never seen anybody walk into his own pit thread and so thoroughly confirm the reasons for the pitting. What a fucking racist asshole. Go back to 1960, moron.

Excuse me. I asked a few simple questions. Where do blacks perform and behave as well as whites? What evidence do you have that the Negro race is biologically equivalent to the white race? How am I mistaken? What don't I know?

[New Deal Democrat]

Originally Posted by Gyrate

It's true - just ask a perfectly honest and open question like "Which makes black people so stupid: their huge penises or their tiny brains?" and liberals will start right in with how racist you are. Clearly their minds aren't open to scientific debate.

What liberals cannot do is prove that blacks on the average are as intelligent as whites.

[New Deal Democrat]

Originally Posted by RickJay

Anyway, NDD is just thrilled to have discovered Philippe Rushton, a long-discredited racist psychologist. It's a burp, and he'll stop when he gets done fapping about it.

How was Professor Rushton discredited? Where is the evidence that he is mistaken?

[jlzania]

Originally Posted by New Deal Democrat

What evidence are you talking about? I have documented that blacks have high crime rates, and low average intelligence. Where is the contrary evidence?

And I have evidence that white males have crashed the economy and started
wars.