Taliban Stupid and Just Don't Care?

[JoelUpchurch]

Is their world view so limited that they don't realize how this execution video will be viewed in the rest of the world or do they not care that it causes billions of people to hate them?

[Czarcasm]

What are you talking about?

[Chimera]

Their world view is limited, they believe they are in the right, and they don't really care what we think about it because they believe we are wrong.

[Marley23]

The OP is referring to the video of the execution of this woman who was accused of adultery. And I think this is going to end up in the Pit sooner or later anyway, so I'm going to send it there now.

[Marley23]

And to answer the question, the Taliban don't care what we think. They know most of the world finds this horrifying, but they only care about their religious law and about making sure the local population is too terrified to stop them.

[billfish678]

It's like the Phelps Klan on steroids.

[Clothahump]

Originally Posted by JoelUpchurch

Is their world view so limited that they don't realize how this execution video will be viewed in the rest of the world or do they not care that it causes billions of people to hate them?

They are religious fanatics. That says it all. No matter what anyone else says or thinks about them, they thing gawd is on their side and everything they do has his/her/its blessing and approval.

[XT]

They are stupid and they don't care. Or, I should say, they have a very parochial outlook on things and basically don't give a shit how it plays outside of their little world.

Also, from something I was reading earlier, this whole thing might have been even more distasteful, as the whole adultery angle might have been bullshit...it was really about killing this woman who was causing tension or something like that between two Taliban chieftains/leaders, and the easy solution was to just whack the woman an then piously claim it was all about adultery.

-XT

[Simplicio]

Originally Posted by JoelUpchurch

Is their world view so limited that they don't realize how this execution video will be viewed in the rest of the world or do they not care that it causes billions of people to hate them?

Apparently, at least some of the Taliban wasn't exactly thrilled about it either:

Originally Posted by article

To save face, they accused her of adultery, Salangi told CNN on Sunday. Then they "faked a court to decide about the fate of this woman and in one hour, they executed the woman," he added.

Both Taliban commanders were subsequently killed by a third Taliban commander, Salangi said.

[Marley23]

Yes, that would be the good news, such as it is. So maybe we're slightly wrong here- it could be that even the Taliban found this execution repulsive or at least they were worried about the publicity. Not that it helps the victim.

[billfish678]

Actually he was only pissed because that was "his" woman.

[Simplicio]

Originally Posted by billfish678

Actually he was only pissed because that was "his" woman.

Cite?

[billfish678]

I keeelllll you!

(on a stick)

[Buck Godot]

I think they are thinking about it the same way as those Americans who voiced the opinion that we should bomb Mecca in response to 9/11. They know that they are the good guys, and that all those who don't subscribe to their beliefs are the bad guys, and that if they are extreme enough their opponents will be cowed into submission.

[XT]

Originally Posted by Marley23

Yes, that would be the good news, such as it is. So maybe we're slightly wrong here- it could be that even the Taliban found this execution repulsive or at least they were worried about the publicity. Not that it helps the victim.

Maybe. It doesn't really say they were killed because of what happened to this woman, however...merely that they were killed. They might have been whacked for completely unrelated reasons dealing more with internal Taliban politics (or because they looked that the third commander funny). I've seen no Taliban position decrying this event or claiming it was in any way wrong.

-XT

[Ludovic]

Taliban don't care. Nothing ratels them.

[silenus]

If they keep whacking each other, eventually they'll be down to 1 guy with a death wish.

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by XT

Maybe. It doesn't really say they were killed because of what happened to this woman, however...merely that they were killed. They might have been whacked for completely unrelated reasons dealing more with internal Taliban politics (or because they looked that the third commander funny). I've seen no Taliban position decrying this event or claiming it was in any way wrong.

All true. We don't know. And even if they did get killed over this murder, that only means the Taliban will apply thuggish frontier justice to its thugs who apply frontier justice in front of a camera. It's not evidence of their dedency or their commitment to human rights- it just sounds like two murderers got what they deserved.

[John Mace]

Originally Posted by Ludovic

Taliban don't care. Nothing ratels them.

They're kind of like the honey badger. Honey badger don't care!

[XT]

Musteline luv can, seemingly, be dangerous...

-XT

[Ike Witt]

As a guy I have to say I love the Taliban mentality. Everything is the fault of somebody else. If you are guy getting a little nookie on the side and you get caught, just scream 'Adultery'- since it seems that the guy is never to blame.

[XT]

Well, except for the part where they brutally murder the woman...

-XT

[AK84]

Originally Posted by JoelUpchurch

Is their world view so limited that they don't realize how this execution video will be viewed in the rest of the world or do they not care that it causes billions of people to hate them?

The most powerful nations in the world are after them and are fighting them. I thinl being hated in the rest of the world is kind of irrelevant from their POV.

The video.? Looks like Zan Zar Zameen raises its head again.

[Jackmannii]

Thanks, now I've got this song in my head:

Taliban stupid and just don't care
Mohammed's gone away

[carnivorousplant]

Originally Posted by Jackmannii

Thanks, now I've got this song in my head:

Taliban stupid and just don't care
Mohammed's gone away

No, no.

Taliban stupid and just don't care
Osma's gone away

[runner pat]

Originally Posted by Jackmannii

Thanks, now I've got this song in my head:

Taliban stupid and just don't care
Mohammed's gone away

Originally Posted by carnivorousplant

No, no.

Taliban stupid and just don't care
Osma's gone away

When I was young I used to hate
all the non-Islamic states
Pull the sword that I did buy
Chop off the head of a Western guy

Chorus

Taliban's dumb and just don't care
Taliban's dumb and just don't care
Taliban's dumb and just don't care
Osama's blown away

[XT]

When I was young I slapped my palm,
when I'd hep the Taliban build a bomb;
and pass down the wire snips with a big ole bone,
And brush away that damned armed drone.

Taliban be stupid and jus' don't care,
Taliban be stupid and jus' don't care,
Taliban be stupid and jus' don't care,
Omar's gone away.

-XT

[clairobscur]

Originally Posted by Chimera

they believe they are in the right, and they don't really care what we think about it because they believe we are wrong.

That.

[clairobscur]

Originally Posted by XT

Maybe. It doesn't really say they were killed because of what happened to this woman, however...merely that they were killed. They might have been whacked for completely unrelated reasons dealing more with internal Taliban politics (or because they looked that the third commander funny). I've seen no Taliban position decrying this event or claiming it was in any way wrong.

-XT

Even if they were killed for this reason, it would just mean that they deemed this particular killing to have been wrong. It doesn't mean that they dissaprove the pubic execution of adulterous women in general. And they certainly approved of such executions back when they were in power.

[Vinyl Turnip]

Originally Posted by Simplicio

Apparently, at least some of the Taliban wasn't exactly thrilled about it either:

Oh, if only they were dominoes.

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by clairobscur

Even if they were killed for this reason, it would just mean that they deemed this particular killing to have been wrong. It doesn't mean that they dissaprove the pubic execution of adulterous women in general. And they certainly approved of such executions back when they were in power.

No, they're very enthusiastic about this kind of thing. They might not be enthusiastic about letting people videotape it when they're trying to take over the country.

[Morgenstern]

Originally Posted by XT

Well, except for the part where they brutally murder the woman...

-XT

Agreed, the woman did nothing to deserve that. Other than that, it's sort of a good news, bad news thing. Like seeing your ex-mother-in-law drive over a cliff in your new Corvette.

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by Morgenstern

Agreed, the woman did nothing to deserve that. Other than that, it's sort of a good news, bad news thing. Like seeing your ex-mother-in-law drive over a cliff in your new Corvette.

It would be like that if these guys had offed each other over this woman. As it is, they murdered one person and happened to get what was coming to them in short order.

[Gary Kumquat]

I'm not sure why this vid hit me so hard, but it did, and I cried for the poor woman. I hope that every fucking bastard involved faces a protracted, undignified, cancerous death. Words just fail me, but frankly if the cheering wanks there spent several years in agony culminating in several days clutching themselves with the consuming pain, it would seem nothing more than deserved.

[Slithy Tove]

We should still leave in 2014. But, on the way out, everybody hands his weapon to a woman. Fuck propping up Karzai: let's empower people who know they have no chance in Hell of double-dealing with the Taliban.

[billfish678]

Originally Posted by Gary Kumquat

I'm not sure why this vid hit me so hard, but it did, and I cried for the poor woman. I hope that every fucking bastard involved faces a protracted, undignified, cancerous death. Words just fail me, but frankly if the cheering wanks there spent several years in agony culminating in several days clutching themselves with the consuming pain, it would seem nothing more than deserved.

Thats kind of how I felt. Despite my dark humor here, there was no way I was going to watch that video. I knew all I needed to know without actually watching it.

[Gary Kumquat]

Originally Posted by Slithy Tove

We should still leave in 2014. But, on the way out, everybody hands his weapon to a woman. Fuck propping up Karzai: let's empower people who know they have no chance in Hell of double-dealing with the Taliban.

Only if we can mass produce a safety that can detect two X chromosomes.

[Victor Charlie]

They apparently like getting blown up by drone strikes and want to make sure we keep doing it.

[carnivorousplant]

Originally Posted by Morgenstern

Agreed, the woman did nothing to deserve that. Other than that, it's sort of a good news, bad news thing. Like seeing your ex-mother-in-law drive over a cliff in your new Corvette.

Damn, that one's tough.

[Der Trihs]

Originally Posted by Victor Charlie

They apparently like getting blown up by drone strikes and want to make sure we keep doing it.

They probably do like the drone strikes. Killing people indiscriminately - which is what they actually do - helps create hatred for us, makes them look better for opposing the evil Americans, and helps produce recruits.

[carnivorousplant]

Originally Posted by Der Trihs

They probably do like the drone strikes. Killing people indiscriminately - which is what they actually do - helps create hatred for us, makes them look better for opposing the evil Americans, and helps produce recruits.

I'd substitute "people who are near the bad guys" for "indiscriminately", but yeah.

Christ, I hate agreeing with you.

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by Der Trihs

They probably do like the drone strikes.

Which is why they're threatening to block polio vaccinations unless the drone strikes are stopped.

[al27052]

Originally Posted by Victor Charlie

They apparently like getting blown up by drone strikes and want to make sure we keep doing it.

That's just the thing. I don't think any of them has the education, historical or economic, or general awareness of world affairs, to realize we outgun and out-money them a million to one. We'll just wait them out. Eventually, our weaponry will get so advanced that we can surgically kill/capture every commander they have, faster than they can make new commanders. It might take 20 years, but their days are numbered. Unfortunately, they have no idea this is true, and will keep doing the exact things that will make their death/capture so very, very necessary.

[carnivorousplant]

Originally Posted by Marley23

Which is why they're threatening to block polio vaccinations unless the drone strikes are stopped.

I think they know that the drones are our best weapon against them, that we won't stop them, and it helps turn people against us.

[Vinyl Turnip]

Originally Posted by Marley23

Which is why they're threatening to block polio vaccinations unless the drone strikes are stopped.

Yeah! Now they've got us over a ba... wait, what?

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by carnivorousplant

I think they know that the drones are our best weapon against them, that we won't stop them, and it helps turn people against us.

I'm seeing a tiny bit of a contradiction there.

[carnivorousplant]

Originally Posted by Marley23

I'm seeing a tiny bit of a contradiction there.

How so? They are defying the Great Satan, doing a good thing for people and we will never give in.

[Gukumatz]

Originally Posted by Marley23

I'm seeing a tiny bit of a contradiction there.

It makes sense to me, in a somewhat convoluted way. It makes sense to an American to use drones - there's no risk of two servicemembers trapped behind enemy lines if something goes wrong and they can generally achieve the same results as a manned plane. However, they're not quite precision instruments, yet, so they do create civillian casualties. The Pakistani in Waziristan are dealing with the situation admirably, true, but for those already leaning in a militant direction it's an absolutely fantastic talking point.

And drones are completely unsympathetic. They're easy targets for creating villains. Like, Nazi-SS-level we-don't-have-to-feel-bad-about-killing-them villains. So yeah, I can agree with carnivorousplant's assertion that they're the best weapon from an US perspective, won't provide a serious deterrent to militia activity in the long run and provide the militant enemies with a great recruiting drive opportunity.

[Der Trihs]

Originally Posted by Marley23

Which is why they're threatening to block polio vaccinations unless the drone strikes are stopped.

From what I understand that just helps them look more "heroic", between the locally common conspiracy theory that vaccination programs are really a cover for the West sterilizing the locals and the proven allegation that some* of the doctors are frauds and Western agents. It's easy for them to spin trying to stop vaccinations as good; given the kind of people they are, many may well actually believe that doing so is good, and the rest won't care.

*The one who helped us get Osama bin Laden, specifically

[Una Persson]

Originally Posted by XT

I've seen no Taliban position decrying this event or claiming it was in any way wrong.

And I'll give long odds we never will. These ignorant-assed fundie scum view women as essentially animals they can fuck - except that unlike all the other beauties of the barnyard, they can actually have kids with women. It's probably a difficult concept for them, so they likely have a mantra, like "four legs, fun - two legs, son!"