Maybe they should shut the fuck up. They’re the worst, most oppressive regime in the world. They force their extremist anti-interpretation of the Qu’ran on their people, condone and encourage terrorism and think they don’t deserve the ass whooping their about to get? What the hell did the US do to them that warranted that 5000+ innocent people be murdered. Save them from the Russians?
Frankly, I’m disappointed that the atrocities they commit on their own people aren’t being focused on more. And I’m disappointed that we’ve decided not to topple their regime. Even if they hadn’t been responsible for the attacks, they’d still deserve to be overthrown.
So, Omar can go eat a can of high-swine content spam, and then burn in the fiery pits of hell.
I happen to like the idea that they’re in terror mode themselves for a change.
Every day they continue to get more and more panicked. It’s as if they’ll snap at any moment and implode on themselves.
Fuck yea!!!
I say, let 'em sweat. Do nothing for a month or two and let their own paranoia and fear defeat them.
The longer we make them wonder where and how we’re coming after them, the more we play there own twisted game- quite literally, fighting fire with fire. Or, more aptly, fighting their game with their rules.
Make those fuckers panic for a bit, them sweep them up as the trash they are.
Who exactly do they think they’re kidding? I’ll wait to see the evidence before I decide that Osama is directly responsible, but regardless…he DID admit to attacking our embassies, he DID announce that a really big strike against America was coming, and they REFUSED to hand him over for trial. Personally, I think the fact that the Taliban is in power is truly a tragedy for those poor people in Afghanistan. And I’d love to see them toppled. But the attack is particularly against Osama…and if they’re too stupid to see that handing him over would have been a good idea, then they deserve whatever they get. I just hope that the innocents in Afghanistan don’t end up suffering even more for all of it. Especially at their hands. It would be just like them to kill a few hundred of their own (expendable) people, and then blame it on us.
Thanks so much for your note of 9/25/2001, in which you advised me, as an American citizen, to “use my sense” and “have my own thinking.” Without you to notify me, I would never have realized that I live in a country where such a thing is possible. All these years, I’ve been at a complete loss about how to handle things like voting and public debates - how, I constantly asked myself, can I possibly vote? That would call for me making an independent decision, and I clearly recall my American Government teacher telling me I could do no such thing! (Turns out, looking over old notes, that she was talking about skipping class. Good thing you were there to point out my error!)
So, Taliban, from now on, I’m a reformed American citizen. I will, as you ordered, think for myself. I will, as you instructed, use my ‘sense.’ (Quick question, if you don’t mind: which sense? Am I limited to only one? Any advice on which one of the five I should choose? Or maybe I should just stick with my copy of The Sixth Sense?) I will not accept everything my government says, whether it is true or false. Thanks for setting me straight.
However, Taliban, I regret to inform you that despite my new status as ‘American Thinking for Herself [yes, I probably should’ve mentioned I’m a female - do you want to take back that ‘think for yourself’ comment?] on the Orders of the Taliban,’ I still think you’re a bunch of oppressive, evil assholes. I will think that even if it turns out that the WTC/DC diasaster was caused by tetchy Canadian geese. I will always think that, not because my government told me to or because my friends told me to, but because I believe that all human beings have rights and that - you know, new-convert enthusiasm - everyone should be allowed to think for himself (or herself!). Including the citizens of Afghanistan. And while you pursue policies that make it clear you don’t agree, I will never be able to think of you as anything other than the revolting scum you are.
But if we listen to their advice, aren’t we contradicting it? I mean, if we think for ourselves, we won’t listen to them. But that’s what they’re saying we should do, so we would be listening to them, which means we shouldn’t, but if we don’t then we will be, and…
Actually we’re a pretty cynical bunch. Not many of us believed that Nixon had nothing to do with Watergate, that Reagan didn’t know about the Contra funding, or that Bill didn’t get a little action from Monica.
How many people truly this is a war of freedom versus fear? Most of those that I know.
In the public addresses that I’ve seen, Bush has never once indicated that US policy may have been a motivation for these attacks. Note that I’m not justifying the attacks. I’m just stating that I’ve seen little (if any) official recognition that US policy is in any way a motivator for yon terrorists. It’s all “they hate freedom” and “they’re jealous of our money” and such nonsense.
They state what the motives of the attack were, but continue to claim they don’t know who perpetrated them. Bullshit, I think they were in on this at the ground floor, and we should crush their regime, or let it fall from its own weight, just as long as they vanish from the face of the earth.
Oh, and Beelzebubba since this is the pit, go fuck yourself. You don’t know the motives of the terrorists, you are using this attack as a soapbox for your own disagreement with US policy. Honestly, I couldn’t possibly care what their opinion is of our foreign policy, terrorists are subhuman monsters, I only want their opinion of Hell.
When I read about this this morning I thought that the Taliban were starting to sound desperate. So far they’ve threatened us, our allies, told us bin Laden is missing, and asked us not to cause more suffering to the Afghanistan people.
Now they’re appealing to the American people. I can only immagine what’s next:
Taliban Appeals to Knights of Columbus
“Lil’ Help?” says Taliban Leader
The Taliban sound like a really push MLM distributor. Think for yourselves (and by doing so, you will HAVE to realize that you should not attack our country, and if you don’t come to that conclusion, then you aren’t really thinking for yourselves.)
Hey, there we go! Why don’t we send all our MLM distributors over to them? It will clean up our country and they’ll surrender bin Laden in no time to us.
It appears that he’s casting this as a war of “freedom-haters” versus “freedom-lovers”. Do you honestly think this is true? Does Osama bin-Laden think, “Well, I suppose the US has a fine foreign policy in the Mideast and all, but, consarn it, those Americans love freedom so much that I just can’t stand it!” Sure we don’t know the motivations of the terrorists, and in some sense we don’t care, but neither should we be making up feel-good us-versus-them platitudes.
I’m with Cnote here. A little psychological warfare will go a long way in doing the battle for us, without the need for messy bloodshed on our part.
Bush: We’ll be bombing Afghanistan tonight.
Taliban: Run! We will do our best to smite you, evil American pig-dog.
That night: crickets and the sounds of terrified Talibaners.
Next day:
Bush: Oh, did I say last night? Gee, I meant next Thursday. Sorry, my bad.
Buzz their tower a few times, drop copies of The Feminine Mystique (translated into Pashto, natch) and the Pamela Anderson editions of Playboy onto them, get Pakistan’s permission to set up refugee camps just across the Afghan border and set it up along the lines of a nice summer camp - good food and lots of it, warm blankets, hot water, medical care. Make the Taliban look like the dog-humping, s***-eaters they are. Humiliate them by ourp goodness to their people.
You know what, Cheesy? You’re absolutely right: I don’t know the motives of these guys. Additionally, I am not now, nor have I been since the attack, engaged in a debate on the appropriateness of our various policies in the middle east.
Thank you, zut for your fine interperetation of my posts.
I find it disgusting that Bush talks about the freedom haters and the democracy-trashers and refuses to acknowledge that policy was at least in part a motivator, even when there are those in the middle-east who are suggesting it is so. Why? Because many of the citizens of this country, be it right or wrong, will accept what the president says as the Truth (note the capitalization). He could at least present the truth to us, instead of insulting the reasonably intelligent among us. He reminds me of Steve Martin yelling “He hates these cans!”
If it is a war of policy, so be it. If we are to agree to stick by our allies, and retain current policies, I have no problem with that. But, if it is indeed “freedom and fear” which are at war, then Bush has begun his own jihad and is suckering the American people into following him. I want no part of it.
I do not wish to interview these guys and understand their motives. I wish for our elected officials to deal with reality in a more public manner. Quit feeding us bullshit.
Hate those whom you will. I was under the impression that the straight dope existed to further rational thought. Yet your rationality seems to have disappeared, as is demonstrated by your post. I made no reference to the appropriateness of US foreign policy, merely that I was disappointed in the crap spewing forth from our elected officials, and the average citizens willingness to believe it.