Romney donor at Hamptons fundraiser feels sympathy for the common people.

[davidm]

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...r&dlvrit=56325

The line of Range Rovers, BMWs, Porsche roadsters and one gleaming cherry red Ferrari began queuing outside of Revlon Chairman Ronald Perelman's estate off Montauk Highway long before Romney arrived, as campaign aides and staffers in white polo shirts emblazoned with the logo of Perelman's property -- the Creeks -- checked off names under tight security.
...
A New York City donor a few cars back, who also would not give her name, said Romney needed to do a better job connecting. "I don't think the common person is getting it," she said from the passenger seat of a Range Rover stamped with East Hampton beach permits. "Nobody understands why Obama is hurting them.

"We've got the message," she added. "But my college kid, the baby sitters, the nails ladies -- everybody who's got the right to vote -- they don't understand what's going on. I just think if you're lower income -- one, you're not as educated, two, they don't understand how it works, they don't understand how the systems work, they don't understand the impact."

I want to thank her for letting us know, through the reporter, that we don't get it and shouldn't strain our dear little heads trying to figure it out, but should just take her oh so educated and informed opinion as edict from on high and vote for her candidate.

Honestly, it's so ridiculous I'm not even sure if I believe it. Poe's Law strikes again, I guess.

[Euphonious Polemic]

It certainly comes across like she's just aghast that those nail ladies who are clearly so uneducated and ill informed (because, I guess they are (gasp) nail ladies) actually have the right to vote! I mean, can you imagine that!

[Jas09]

I suspect her real concern is that the nail ladies of the world are starting to get a pretty good grasp on "how the system works" and they don't really care for it so much.

[Gangster Octopus]

Lay off, she was very selective in her disparaging remarks to college kids, baby sitters and nail ladies. She totally does not think that about gardeners, housekeepers, mechanics, drivers, personal shoppers, concierges, yoga instructors, pool boys, or stylists.

[davidm]

What about the caddies? Won't anyone think of the caddies?

[Simplicio]

She's kinda down on her college kid. Must still be angry he only got into his safety school.

But I'm not sure I've ever heard someone outside of a movie use the phrase "common person" in a non-sarcastic context.

[aruvqan]

I know a lovely lady, with a PhD in child psych who is a *gasp* nanny ... she looks like a dumpy little grandmotherly type, sort of like Dr Ruth. She got tired of the scholarly grant feeding frenzy and push to publish, and decided to retire to take care of 4 kids. Money isn't that fantastic, but it come with room and board and she doesn't need much of anything else. She is much more relaxed now.

I bet she would love to give that lady a piece of her mind ... perhaps not high income, but definitely not uneducated.

[Robot Arm]

Originally Posted by Simplicio

She's kinda down on her college kid. Must still be angry he only got into his safety school.

Princeton?

[jimmycolorado]

Originally Posted by Simplicio

She's kinda down on her college kid. Must still be angry he only got into his safety school.

But I'm not sure I've ever heard someone outside of a movie use the phrase "common person" in a non-sarcastic context.

I originally saw this story over on LGF, and I chuckled to myself. It kind of surprised me (my laugh, not really the story itself), and I couldn't put my finger on why. I now realize, it's the bolded part.

[davidm]

Some photos from the Hamptons fundraiser:
http://www.businessinsider.com/romne...os-2012-7?op=1

[tomndebb]

This is not really a discussion of the election; it is certianly not a debate.

I suspect that I can find a better home for it.

Off to The BBQ Pit.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by Jas09

I suspect her real concern is that the nail ladies of the world are starting to get a pretty good grasp on "how the system works" and they don't really care for it so much.

And they have very sharp nails.

[BigT]

I'm getting to the point where, if you are a bigot, the rights you want to take away from others get taken away from you.

[Der Trihs]

Originally Posted by BigT

I'm getting to the point where, if you are a bigot, the rights you want to take away from others get taken away from you.

Like the old joke about a eugenics program where you ask people if they think that the unfit should be sterilized, and if they say "yes" you sterilize them.

[davidm]

Originally Posted by tomndebb

This is not really a discussion of the election; it is certianly not a debate.

I suspect that I can find a better home for it.

Off to The BBQ Pit.

It's a discussion about a fundraiser which is raising funds for an election. It's about the type of people who are contributing funds to that election.

But it's no skin off of my nose, so whatever.

[a35362]

"I don't think the common person is getting it. Nobody understands why Obama is hurting them."

[elucidator]

....What do the simple folk do
To help them escape when they\'re blue?
The shepard who is ailing, the milkmaid who is glum
The cobbler who is wailing from nailing his thumb
When they\'re beset and besieged
The folk not noblessly obliged
However do they manage to shed their weary lot?
Oh, what do simple folk do we do not?.....

Guinevere, in Camelot, Lerner and Lowe

Well, lady, we used to take drugs and plot revenge. Most of us have given up drugs....

[El_Kabong]

Originally Posted by a35362

"I don't think the common person is getting it. Nobody understands why Obama is hurting them."

I don't understand. Why (or, I think she meant to say, how) is Obama hurting me?

[a35362]

Well, it's his fault the economy is so bad, right?

Also, for death panels and for taking our guns away. Any minute now.

[Shakes]

She's like the female version of Steven Cobert. Only except frighteningly, she's not a parody.

And remember folks: Birds of a feather.....

[asterion]

Oh, I think we know how the systems work.

[Homer]Blade goes up, blade goes down. Blade goes up, blade goes down. Blade goes up, blade goes down.[/Homer]

[Vinyl Turnip]

Originally Posted by davidm

What about the caddies? Won't anyone think of the caddies?

Nannyshack was hilarious but the sequel sucked.

[elucidator]

...[Homer]Blade goes up, blade goes down. Blade goes up, blade goes down. Blade goes up, blade goes down.[/Homer]

I'm mentally seeing Homer as Danton, with Mo as Robespierre.

[Miller]

The picture of the pro-Romney counter protestor is the best thing ever: an older white man wearing khaki shorts, white knee socks, and clutching a mahogany pipe between his teeth as he strides confidently from his ginormous SUV. I'm half certain he's really an Obama supporter engaged in a bit of street theater.

[Sampiro]

Anybody else picturing Lucille Bluth and Greg's mom from Dharma and Greg?

[Slithy Tove]

Originally Posted by El_Kabong

I don't understand. Why (or, I think she meant to say, how) is Obama hurting me?

Afterwards, they all went to the Trans-Lux to hiss him.

[Wesley Clark]

Hahahahaha

[davidm]

Originally Posted by Miller

The picture of the pro-Romney counter protestor is the best thing ever: an older white man wearing khaki shorts, white knee socks, and clutching a mahogany pipe between his teeth as he strides confidently from his ginormous SUV. I'm half certain he's really an Obama supporter engaged in a bit of street theater.

I liked that one also. He's like a walking cliche.

[asterion]

I did like Rachel's theory tonight, which was that the people quoted were actually very deep cover Billionaires for Bush protesters.

[joebuck20]

You 99 percenters just wouldn't understand.

[elucidator]

Not at all sure I want to, truth be told.

[Dag Otto]

I think the woman is spot on. After all, the common people don't understand how to buy and sell $125,000 horses.

[E-Sabbath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_GsNIJlvKw

I hate Al Sharpton as only a New Yorker can. But he apparently did a dramatization of this, and it's fairly funny.

[Robot Arm]

Originally Posted by Sampiro

Anybody else picturing Lucille Bluth and Greg's mom from Dharma and Greg?

I wasn't. Is that, like, the newest slash fiction pairing?

[InternetLegend]

I think we've just identified the perfect campaign song for Obama.

[Really Not All That Bright]

Originally Posted by Dag Otto

I think the woman is spot on. After all, the common people don't understand how to buy and sell $125,000 horses.

Sure we do. We just don't understand why anyone would want to. Buy, at least.

[Oakminster]

Originally Posted by davidm

I want to thank her for letting us know, through the reporter, that we don't get it and shouldn't strain our dear little heads trying to figure it out, but should just take her oh so educated and informed opinion as edict from on high and vote for her candidate.

And yet on this very board, many of the liberals are arguing that "common people" are too stupid to think for themselves and will be swayed by too many pro-GoP ads. I guess it's ok for liberals to be condescending douchebags, huh?

[Lobohan]

Originally Posted by Oakminster

And yet on this very board, many of the liberals are arguing that "common people" are too stupid to think for themselves and will be swayed by too many pro-GoP ads. I guess it's ok for liberals to be condescending douchebags, huh?

Actually I think what's happening is stupid Republicans are unable to understand said arguments and are thus doing a shit job of paraphrasing them.

You may now go back to boot-licking your Republican masters.

[Left Hand of Dorkness]

Originally Posted by Oakminster

And yet on this very board, many of the liberals are arguing that "common people" are too stupid to think for themselves and will be swayed by too many pro-GoP ads. I guess it's ok for liberals to be condescending douchebags, huh?

Who had 37 on the conservative tu quoque? Come down and collect your winnings!

[Vinyl Turnip]

Originally Posted by Oakminster

And yet on this very board, many of the liberals are arguing that "common people" are too stupid to think for themselves and will be swayed by too many pro-GoP ads.

Not all of them—just the severely stupid and/or lazy ones known as "swing voters." As misfortune would have it, they end up being the most important.

[foolsguinea]

:kicks Oakminster: Having more money than God doesn't cure stupid.

[EddyTeddyFreddy]

Originally Posted by Really Not All That Bright

Sure we do. We just don't understand why anyone would want to. Buy, at least.

Oh, I understand; having been touching-close to a few horses in that class, having watched them do their thing, oh, my -- well, have you ever seen a world-class athlete in action, up close? Breath-taking, innit?

Not that I would actually buy one myself, mind you, even if I could; there are far better uses I could put that kind of money to; but, yeh, I do understand why.

[anya marie]

Some people need to take their phony sympathy, condescencion, smug attitudes and shove IT ALL BACK INTO their shiny, waxed, bleached, addicted to colonics, assholes.

[Bricker]

Originally Posted by Left Hand of Dorkness

Who had 37 on the conservative tu quoque? Come down and collect your winnings!

I don't think it's a tu quoque.

I take the OP's argument to be, "Only Republicans, the supporters of the rich, would garner a supporter who would opine that the opposition was too stupid to vote for their own self-interest."

If that's a fair summary, then pointing out how Democrats also accuse people of being too stupid to vote for their own self-interest is not a tu quoque fallacy. It's a relevant refutation of a key portion of the argument.

You will have an uphill climb trying to claim that the actual argument is simply that the practice is bad, no matter who does it -- which is what the original argument would need to be forth is to be a tu quoque.

Right?

[Bricker]

LOONEY LEFTY: Republicans in the Senate should be ashamed of themselves for using earmarks!

OPPONENT: But Democrats also use earmarks!

LL: Tu quoque! Tu quoque!

*sigh*

No.

[davidm]

One thing that gets me about this woman is that she is so smugly confident in her intellectual and educational superiority, while in reality being so clueless that she actually said these things to a reporter.

Did she not realize that the reporter is a "common person" and that reporters actually report things and that they report those things in places where other "common persons" would read them?

We've seen Romney's cluelessness, and now we're seeing the same thing in his biggest financial supporters.

She's so clueless that she doesn't realize the potential damage she's doing to her candidate.

Maybe we just need to find a way to give people like her a platform and let them show their true selves.

[davidm]

Originally Posted by Bricker

I don't think it's a tu quoque.

I take the OP's argument to be, "Only Republicans, the supporters of the rich, would garner a supporter who would opine that the opposition was too stupid to vote for their own self-interest."

If that's a fair summary, then pointing out how Democrats also accuse people of being too stupid to vote for their own self-interest is not a tu quoque fallacy. It's a relevant refutation of a key portion of the argument.

You will have an uphill climb trying to claim that the actual argument is simply that the practice is bad, no matter who does it -- which is what the original argument would need to be forth is to be a tu quoque.

Right?

Wrong. Her attitude is fundamentally different from what you're talking about seeing on the left. Her attitude is clearly that her money and "breeding" makes her "uncommon".

The smugness in some on the left (and yes, it does exist) isn't, for the most part, based on class.

[MrDibble]

Originally Posted by InternetLegend

I think we've just identified the perfect campaign song for Obama.

Love Pulp, but I think this one would be more apt...

[Left Hand of Dorkness]

Originally Posted by Bricker

I don't think it's a tu quoque.

I take the OP's argument to be, "Only Republicans, the supporters of the rich, would garner a supporter who would opine that the opposition was too stupid to vote for their own self-interest."

If that's a fair summary

Of course it isn't a fair summary. Neither the word "Only" or "Republicans" appears in the OP. Pointing out a specific person's obnoxiousness neither indicts an entire party, nor claims that any other party is not obnoxious. As such, trying to refute it with pointing out another party's obnoxiousness is the very essence of a tu quoque.

[Locrian]

Fuck them commoners!! They have no idear how ta save for the bright future!

I just got $38.28 from the Coinstar machine down the road. And I was happy to pay the American company 9 cents per dollar ta count it fer me! USA! USA!!