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Old 09-12-2012, 11:45 PM
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Do nurses or doctors ever have to masturbate disabled or paralyzed people?

I understand that when people can't (for whatever reason) take care of themselves, their caretakers have to feed them, bathe them, change them, wipe their butts, etc. In the case of professional caretakers, are they either legally obliged or prevented from taking care of their clients' sexual needs?

I'm going to guess not, but does that mean that clients who aren't otherwise intimate with someone would go years... or perhaps the rest of their lives... without any sexual release?
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Old 09-13-2012, 05:26 AM
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Old 09-13-2012, 05:37 AM
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What a gr8 question! Sexual activity has proven cardiovascular benefit, as well as a general good feeling, endorphin release, and just plain feels good. Of course it's more fun with a partner (in my personal experience), but I've never 'serviced' a disabled woman (closest I came was one with a bad back & another with a sprained ankle :-) ). I guess they have limited choice for partners but I'm sure there must be some kind of specialized healthcare worker out there who can provide release. Especially in men, there is real danger in lack of release: Cecil covered this syndrome of 'priests disease' here:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...mactic-arousal

Basically, backed-up semen can infect the prostate causing prostatitis. it's accepted that men who regularly 'clean the pipes' suffer lower incidences of prostate issues. Dunno the data on women, but in general, having sexual release is healthier than not having it.
Sorry I can't provide a definite answer. Based on other life experiences, my instinct tells me that if some1 can think of the question, there are people out there to provide a service (even legally). Every once in a while, some1 asks a question that makes me stop on a dime, & ponder. Damn good question.
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Old 09-13-2012, 07:23 AM
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Every time I've been in a hospital and under a nurse's care (I'm not disabled or paralyzed), I've had a catheter jammed up into my penis, so I never got to pursue the whole "sexy nurse" fantasy. (Korea has very beautiful nurses, BTW, and very gnarly catheters.)
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Old 09-13-2012, 07:43 AM
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Sexual activity has proven cardiovascular benefit...
Isn't this related to all the moving around that's a typical part of sex between able-bodied people, as opposed to the relatively minor increase in blood flow related to arousal? if that's the case, would there be any significant CV benefit for sexual activity in a person who has limited or zero movement?
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Old 09-13-2012, 08:10 AM
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I'm pretty sure I could lose my license for that.

But I do wonder if they ever need to assist for sperm collection or testing of seminal fluid or something. My guess is a gloved finger up the rectum to stimulate the prostate would be the more professional technique, not an actual hand job.

There are sex therapists, and some of them do engage in sexual activity with their clients, or they employ sex surrogates, but I'm not sure how legitimately they're viewed by, say, a nursing home or rehab center. I'm almost certain Medicare won't pay for it, even if you had a referral.

I also don't know how they stay on the legal side of prostitution laws.

More on sex therapists from a really weird message board: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=440807

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Old 09-13-2012, 08:19 AM
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I would think that a guy would have enough wet dreams to keep the pipes clean.
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Old 09-13-2012, 09:07 AM
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I've seen a video (on youtube!) of a nurse mastrubating a disabled person, but I'm sure not going to search for it right now.
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Old 09-13-2012, 09:11 AM
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Truly universal healthcare?
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Old 09-13-2012, 09:20 AM
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I would think that a guy would have enough wet dreams to keep the pipes clean.
Nope. Last time I had one of those was years ago.
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Old 09-13-2012, 09:37 AM
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It's not masturbation if someone else does it to or "for" you.

I'm pretty sure it would be a crime everywhere in the US except certain place in Nevada.
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Old 09-13-2012, 09:41 AM
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Nope. Last time I had one of those was years ago.
But you probably are sexually active or you do masturbate (does masturbation counts as sexually active? I guess not, but it probably might depend on context...).

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Old 09-13-2012, 09:49 AM
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This is one of the biggest reasons I think prostitution should be legal (and safe and all that). Not that I'm saying every paralyzed person will be ordering hookers by the truckload, but why shouldn't they be able to if they want to?
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:01 AM
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Sometimes I'm happy to see that someone is in the same handbasket as me.
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:28 AM
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But you probably are sexually active or you do masturbate (does masturbation counts as sexually active? I guess not, but it probably might depend on context...).
Are wet dreams something that only happen if a man is not sexually active (and here I mean "sexually active" in that the hardware gets a workout once in a while, with or without the help of another person)?
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:50 AM
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This is one of the biggest reasons I think prostitution should be legal (and safe and all that). Not that I'm saying every paralyzed person will be ordering hookers by the truckload, but why shouldn't they be able to if they want to?
Would it be legal if they got unpaid volunteers to do it?
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:56 AM
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Sometimes I'm happy to see that someone is in the same handbasket as me.
Yes, it would appear that sometimes pickers can be spoojers.
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:34 AM
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Are wet dreams something that only happen if a man is not sexually active (and here I mean "sexually active" in that the hardware gets a workout once in a while, with or without the help of another person)?
I guess it's not proven but I would think that frequent ejaculation through stimulation would reduce occurrences of nocturnal emissions.

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Old 09-13-2012, 12:00 PM
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We'd just be encouraging lazy people to become paralyzed.
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:41 PM
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Caregivers have gone to jail for such things. In a nursing home it would be considered abuse.
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Old 09-13-2012, 01:11 PM
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I can recall reading Chuck Shepherd's report on News of the Weird about this issue. It's probably archived somewhere, so you can dig it up if you want the exacts, but I'll tell you what I can remember: A nurse/caregiver in Australia was suing her employer because they ordered her to assist her charges with manual stimulation and release, she refused, so they fired her and she sued. Not sure how it turned out, all I read was the report that the lawsuit was filed. I believe the patients in this instance were mentally challenged adults living in a group home setting. Since her employer told her to do it, I assume they also told others to and some probably did, and maybe didn't mind or even enjoyed it. For every one person that complains about their job, I figure there are exponentially more that do it and don't care, so yes, I would conclude that caregivers are doing it, and many probably under orders from their employers.
And I work in a nursing home, not as a nurse, caregiver or any other job that is 'hands on' with the patients, but I do recall overhearing a nurse being told that she must allow residents to possess sex toys or porn, and even assist in their procurement if the residents request them. The only stipulation was that the resident must draw their curtains when 'entertaining' themselves. I wondered how that would block out the sounds if a movie was being viewed in a double-occupancy room.

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Old 09-13-2012, 01:13 PM
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I can recall reading Chuck Shepherd's report on News of the Weird about this issue. It's probably archived somewhere, so you can dig it up if you want the exacts, but I'll tell you what I can remember: A nurse/caregiver in Australia was suing her employer because they ordered her to assist her charges with manual stimulation and release, she refused, so they fired her and she sued. Not sure how it turned out, all I read was the report that the lawsuit was filed. I believe the patients in this instance were mentally challenged adults living in a group home setting. Since her employer told her to do it, I assume they also told others to and some probably did, and maybe didn't mind or even enjoyed it. For every one person that complains about their job, I figure there are exponentially more that do it and don't care, so yes, I would conclude that caregivers are doing it, and many probably under orders from their employers.
Just because the boss says to do it doesn't mean it's safe, legal or standard.
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Old 09-13-2012, 01:22 PM
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Caregivers have gone to jail for such things. In a nursing home it would be considered abuse.
Even if the patient were capable of informed consent, and asked the caregiver for such assistance?
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Old 09-13-2012, 05:59 PM
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Even if the patient were capable of informed consent, and asked the caregiver for such assistance?
There are lots of cases where a person in any kind of authority is prevented, even when consent might be present. Teachers, medical professionals and police/guards are some of the top examples that come to mind.
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Old 09-13-2012, 06:11 PM
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We have a joke here in the office about our company's need to hire "Consortium Loss Mitigation Specialists." It's a nerdy world we live in.

As far as paralyzed folks go, as I understand it if you can't move your arms, your nethers aren't gonna be working anyway.
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Old 09-13-2012, 06:16 PM
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I'm pretty sure I could lose my license for that.

But I do wonder if they ever need to assist for sperm collection or testing of seminal fluid or something. My guess is a gloved finger up the rectum to stimulate the prostate would be the more professional technique, not an actual hand job.
I don't want to search for it, but I have heard of rectal vibrators being used for men with paralysis from spinal injuries.
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Old 09-13-2012, 07:01 PM
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We have a joke here in the office about our company's need to hire "Consortium Loss Mitigation Specialists." It's a nerdy world we live in.

As far as paralyzed folks go, as I understand it if you can't move your arms, your nethers aren't gonna be working anyway.
Other way around. Hypogastric plexus stops working if the legs stop working, IIRC.
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Old 09-13-2012, 07:21 PM
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It's a good way for single women to have a child.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxv8nHpFtA4
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Old 09-13-2012, 07:27 PM
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Well, what if you are a DEA agent recovering from gunshot wounds and your wife, who has basically supplanted all nursing help in your care while in the hospital, makes you a bet that might take you away from your important work collecting and examining rare minerals? What then?
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Old 09-13-2012, 08:08 PM
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I think I've mentioned this before on here, but when I was about 12 my grandfather was in a nursing home following a stroke that had left him paralysed. I distinctly remember seeing empty condom packaging in the waste basket in his room, and thinking that was a little... odd. But I don't know whether they were really taking care of Grandpa.

If so then more power to their elbow, I guess
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Old 09-13-2012, 08:16 PM
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I think I've mentioned this before on here, but when I was about 12 my grandfather was in a nursing home following a stroke that had left him paralysed. I distinctly remember seeing empty condom packaging in the waste basket in his room, and thinking that was a little... odd. But I don't know whether they were really taking care of Grandpa.

If so then more power to their elbow, I guess
I'm not entirely sure how/when would use one with a man, but they use condoms over the transvaginal ultrasound wand for women. Keeps it clean, provides a little lube...

So there's at least one legitimate medical use for condoms that isn't sexually related. Or it's possible your grandfather had a girlfriend in the nursing home. It happens. Just because they're old doesn't mean they've stopped boinking.

And that is a topic that's getting a lot of discussion in nursing journals in the last few years -- should we be providing private spaces in nursing homes for residents who want to have sex? What if grandma's in the nursing home and grandpa comes to visit? What if people meet and fall in love in the nursing home? What if their (adult) children are profoundly uncomfortable with their aging parent(s) sexuality? How do we respect the privacy and sexual needs of consenting adults while preventing abuse?

I don't claim to have answers, but I think those are interesting, non-prurient questions.

ETA: OH! Wait a sec...are you sure it was a condom and not a condom catheter? Would your 12 year old self have known the difference?

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Old 09-13-2012, 08:48 PM
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There are sex workers who specialise in disabled people.

The new film The Sessions is also about this, in fact I wouldn't mind betting it was inspired by the above documentary.
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:29 PM
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I don't want to search for it, but I have heard of rectal vibrators being used for men with paralysis from spinal injuries.
Eljaculation can also be induced by electrical stimulation of the prostate. It's also possible to retrieve viable semen from the testes of recently deceased males.
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:47 PM
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:49 PM
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....It's also possible to retrieve viable semen from the testes of recently deceased males.
I think this is pushing the OP's premise a bit too far....
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Old 09-14-2012, 01:59 AM
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Would it be legal if they got unpaid volunteers to do it?
No.
In most US states, the prostitution laws say something like "whether for a consideration or no", which means whether paid or not, it's illegal.
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Old 09-14-2012, 02:06 AM
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No.
In most US states, the prostitution laws say something like "whether for a consideration or no", which means whether paid or not, it's illegal.
That makes no sense - by that logic, unmarried sex is illegal (even if no1 pays any1 else).
What about bartering i.e. "I'll whack you off in exchange for ur Ipod"?
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Old 09-14-2012, 02:14 AM
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No.
In most US states, the prostitution laws say something like "whether for a consideration or no", which means whether paid or not, it's illegal.
Unless of course you film it, in which case its perfectly legal to pay someone for sex.
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No.
the prostitution laws say <snip> which means whether paid or not, it's illegal.
Um, if nobody is getting paid, ain't no prostitutin' going down.
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Old 09-14-2012, 07:53 AM
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ETA: OH! Wait a sec...are you sure it was a condom and not a condom catheter? Would your 12 year old self have known the difference?
Not one of them - my experience of condoms at this age was limited to the packets I found while snooping in my parents' room and I recall it was the same brand, Durex.

This was over 20 years ago and there could be any number of explanations, but I did find it odd which is why I still remember!
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Old 09-14-2012, 08:08 AM
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Do nurses or doctors ever have to masturbate disabled or paralyzed people?
Absolutely. I hear lots of griping about this in the doctors' lounge.

It's why I went into a specialty that doesn't involve direct patient care.
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Old 09-14-2012, 09:41 AM
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No.
In most US states, the prostitution laws say something like "whether for a consideration or no", which means whether paid or not, it's illegal.
Can you point to one such state? In Florida, for example, consideration is definitely an element of the crime:
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Prohibiting prostitution, etc.; evidence; penalties; definitions

(1) As used in this section:
(a) "Prostitution" means the giving or receiving of the body for sexual activity for hire but excludes sexual activity between spouses.
(b) "Lewdness" means any indecent or obscene act.
(c) "Assignation" means the making of any appointment or engagement for prostitution or lewdness, or any act in furtherance of such appointment or engagement.
(d) "Sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; anal or vaginal penetration of another by any other object; or the handling or fondling of the sexual organ of another for the purpose of masturbation; however, the term does not include acts done for bona fide medical purposes.
Emphasis added.
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Old 09-14-2012, 01:53 PM
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Um, if nobody is getting paid, ain't no prostitutin' going down.
Virginia law forbids sex "for money or its equivalent."
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Old 09-14-2012, 02:05 PM
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Virginia law forbids sex "for money or its equivalent."
What is "it's equivalent"? Is "lust" the equivalent of money? Is "pity"?

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Old 09-14-2012, 02:10 PM
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What is "it's equivalent"? Is "lust" the equivalent of money? Is "pity"?
A steak dinner with a bottle of wine.
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Old 09-14-2012, 04:22 PM
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It's not masturbation if someone else does it to or "for" you.
The three dictionaries cited in the following link disagree with you.

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Old 09-14-2012, 04:47 PM
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The three dictionaries cited in the following link disagree with you.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/masturbation?s=t
Etymologically it's "hand stimulation" - there's nothing inherent in the word that the hand must be your own. It's not like "suicide", which is an act done to oneself by definition.
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Old 09-14-2012, 08:53 PM
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One could have a condition involving loss of voluntary motor control without loss of sensory response. Seems to me masturbation requires a certain amount of fine motor control, too much shaking and/or palsy, release could be just a little too far off.

For men, if the prostate becomes a problem, surgery can take care of it. If we can fix the issue, preventative measures are not acceptable if they might offend someone's sensibilities.
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Old 09-14-2012, 11:10 PM
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"...Do nurses or doctors ever have to masturbate disabled or paralyzed people?..."

The co-pay is a bitch. Reasonable and Customary is hard to determine.
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Old 09-14-2012, 11:19 PM
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If a doctor or nurse were to be required to masturbate a paralyzed/disabled person, how would the issue of sexual orientation be addressed (not only of the "service-ee" but of the medical professional as well)?
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