12 Monkeys. SyFy Series. Possible Spoilers.

This is the new television series on SyFy. It airs Fridays at 9 PM EST.

It’s based in the same plot as the movie by the same name that was made by Terry Gilliam, and which featured Bruce Willis, Brad Pitt, and Madeline Stowe from 1995.

So far, we’ve only had two episodes, and they are showing them relentlessly on cable, and they are available online, so it would be really easy to get caught up to date.

I’ve seen both episodes, being a fan of the movie, and I like them.

The plot, which isn’t a spoiler, because you kind of are expected to know this already - and they beat you over the head with it in the first five minutes - is as such:

Due to an unstoppable virus, something like 99 percent of all of humanity dies. Civilization collapses. Those who survive had to go underground and rebuild some semblance of society down there. And, that is how it is for 30 years.

In the meantime, time travel is invented - but certainly not perfected. The scientists decide to send individuals both to the surface in current time, and back in time to about the time the virus started, to try and prevent it from happening in the first place. All they have to go off of are clues in the form of newspapers and sound recordings that survived the collapse of society and the passage of time.

In the movie, the individuals that they send on these missions are sentenced criminals of violent and insane tendencies - people who can be afforded to be lost. In the show, they still use criminals, but these criminals seem to be smarter and more capable individuals, and lack insanity issues.

The first thing you are going to notice in the show is that there is no plot centering around the protagonist’s sanity. In the movie, a major part of the plot was whether the whole thing was real, or if Bruce Willis was imagining it as part of his insanity - or whether Bruce Willis was even insane in the first place - or just misunderstood. In the show, the protagonist is fully capable, and accepts his mission wholeheartedly.

In the show, there is some whiz-bangery and deus ex machina, but thankfully, not a whole lot, and the plot doesn’t depend on it.

The show holds true to the movie in that mistakes are made when the characters are sent time traveling, and that the scientists make mistakes in their assumptions of what or who caused the virus, causing the protagonist to improvise and change course as new clues are uncovered.

The time traveling and paradox part itself is addressed - actually included into the plot - and so far (even though time travel doesn’t exist, and we have no idea how it would really work anyway) there doesn’t seem to be any glaring mistakes in the mechanics of it. The main protagonist, in speaking with another protagonist, says that they will know if he succeeds if he disappears - because that means that the time lines were altered and corrected.

The other protagonist says, “You mean you’ll die?”

“No. Not death. Just. This version of me wouldn’t exist anymore.”

So far, my only grievance with the show is that the character who plays the committed child of the owner of the pharmaceutical company - in the movie played by Brad Pitt, in the series played by an actress - goes a little over the top with the acting of the “insanity”. Brad Pitt pulled it off well in the movie. But, the actress in the show seemed to say, “Okay! I’m going to be the most insane character of all insane characters that ever existed!”

In my opinion, since the show deviates a little from the movie as far as characters’ demeanors and motivations, her character would be much more engaging if she was solemn, and quiet, and borderline catatonic - instead of this hyperactive “Look at me! I’m crazy!” person.

I know that it is too easy to keep comparing this show to the movie, but I can tell that before long, I will start judging the show on its own merits, rather than trying to compare it to the movie.

Just thought I’d start this thread to gauge the interest of having weekly discussions about this show.

I’m waiting a few more episodes to get caught up, but I will. I hope it is good.

My gripes (so far), the lack of atmosphere that the movie oozed, shitting all over the movie’s premise that time travel can’t change the past, and making Brad Pitt a girl.

I like the lead actor, he’s no Bruce, but he was great in Nikita, so I have hopes for him here. The lead actress, meh, not awful, easy on the eyes, but I’ve seen her play one too many psychopaths in the past to ever take her too seriously as a non psycho (I had the same problem when she was on Suits).

I do like the show, I just wish they’d kept it a bit closer in theme to the original is all.

In the original film, you had a developing romance, time travel, a future world to flesh out, several powerful characters to develop, a huge subplot about insanity, plus the whole detective story. In other words, there was a huge amount of plot to cover in a very short time. Every moment of the film is important.

In the TV show, they decided to expand the time available while also eliminating the insanity sub plot and reducing the time-travel element. (We take the reality of time travel for granted. He proved it to her almost immediately. In the film, this requires much more effort.) So, the plot has diminished while the canvas has grown. That’s why the show seems much less dense.

Oh, plus, instead of Brad Pitt, we get Ally Sheedy from The Breakfast Club. That’s helpful.

There’s still potential… but, they’re going to need to stumble across a plot at some point or it’ll eventually go the way of The Walking Dead… new episodes keep appearing… but, nothing ever happens.

This was my take on it. It’s a stretched out version of the movie so far. While I enjoyed it, I’m wondering why they decided to stretch the movie out into a whole series, and if the plot will deviate from the movie in any significant way. Obviously killing the elder Goines didn’t work and the virus got released anyway. So, will they eventually trace it to one of Goines’ assistants as they did in the movie, or will it contain some surprises?

More like Ally Sheedy from Psych.

I am enjoying it, but I too wonder how they’ll be able to keep the plot going without any true resolution. Keep chasing “12 Monkey” clues down a rabbit-hole?

This is what I liked about the first episode, and which gives me hope about the series overall. Whenever I see a common actor playing a main character, I always say to myself, “Oh, well, let’s see how they manage to keep this person alive forever, against all other odds and logic.”

But, then they killed him. Now, we know ahead of time that we’ll see him again - at least in 1987 - but they actually killed him. That character didn’t even die in the movie (except from the virus, probably). And, suspending knowledge of the movie, that’s kind of a cool twist to put in there - in the very first episode.

How soon before there’s a Time Traveler who is trying to stop Cole?

Wait… How did you know about that?!? Have you come back from The Future to taunt us?

I would’ve thought you Future People would have better ways of spending your time - winning lotteries, trading away transparent aluminum manufacturing secrets, attending Enchantment Under The Sea dances, tracking down unmutated viruses, and so forth.

“Come with me if you want to dance”

I just saw the first episode and enjoyed it. For those of you who’ve now seen a lot more of it, is it worth spending the time?

P.s. Spoilers don’t bother me.

Yes.

Another yes vote from me. I was skeptical, but enjoyed the season and the timey-wimey wibbly-wobbly makes-your-brain-hurt time travel aspects.

Though there are more than a couple things about the season finale that I don’t understand at all. I may have to watch it again.

Thought it developed into a great series. A good one especially for binge watching (though I had to go week-to-week).

Can’t wait for season 2.

It’s very good, yes.

Fair warning that the season finale starts to get a bit muddled, moreseo as the episode progresses, until it culminates in a frantic orgy of WTF?

But all the other episodes were pretty darn fun, and I’m looking forward to season 2.

Thanks, everybody!