I’m really quite curious if an argument against them can be really be made. Particularly when it comes to Rush, I’d really like to hear one.
Hasn’t happened yet, keep trying, Mr. Expert.
You need to read more of them. Your chracterization of them is not very accurate. Most of my posts about music do no particularly relate to my personal experience as a musician.
SHOULD: (and please don’t take this as a reflection of my personal TASTE, I just acknowledge the status, contribution and influence of my picks)
Yeah, it’s six. Sue me.
Reading more of your posts is not anything an intelligent person would actively seek. I guess I will continue to read them, as I don’t use the ignore function and don’t usually look at who posted something before I read it. Your ignorance of music is immense, especially compared to your regard of your knowledge. It has always been so, and given your tremendous hubris, I expect that won’t change. Count me as one who never expects to be enlightened by anything you post. I remain open to being surprised.
Your knowledge of rock music may be deep, but it’s very very narrow. Not very interesting to be honest. I have no opinion one way or the other, but that’s because I’m mostly ignorant about her. I try to avoid expressing opinions about things I don’t know much about.
Kraftwerk isn’t in? That’s criminal. You’ll be hard-pressed to come up with a dozen more influential bands. They practically invented a whole genre of music (and if you get a chance to see them live, go!).
Yeah, this thread is just getting sad. It’s like someone whose view of painting begins and ends with Thomas Kincade. I mean, I could point out that, from this ridiculously limited definition huge swaths of songs would be excluded from definitive bands. But as he keeps using his lame computer as an excuse why he can’t hear music (I don’t buy it - people throw computers good enough to play YouTube clips away every day). By his inane definition, Springsteen would not be “Rock’n’Roll” because he features both horns and keyboards.
You have defined your limitations. Your limitations are not the limitations of the rest of the musical universe, which pretty widely accepts using the term “Rock N Roll” to loosely refer to most of the popular music produced after…1955? 1960?
This includes vast, vast numbers of brilliant musicians and artists who are miles away from what you, in your self-defined limitations, consider rock n roll to be, ranging from pre-electric Dylan to probably the entire output of Motown and much, much more.
Therefore, since you are, by your own admission, exceedingly narrow in your view and your knowledge, it is a tad unseemly for you to declare that you are the last word in who should be included in the HoF.
I can understand this point of view. But the purpose of the Hall is education. And Laura Nyro was someone that a lot of musicians listened to, whether or not she sold a huge number of records - like the old saw about the MC5 that “they only sold 5000 copies of their album but everyone who bought it started a band”.
“Hot Stuff” and “Bad Girls” contain two from my personal list of the top ten rock guitar solos of all time.
She deserves to be inducted because she was profoundly influential, and the HoF can explain her influence to people who might never have heard of her.
This post alone shows a tremendous ignorance of my own posts. I don’t mind criticism, but at least make the criticism accurate. I guarantee you, I’ve lost more knowledge of music to brain damage from pot than you will ever acquire in your life.
I have just realised Janet Jackson is eligible but never nominated - she should be hot on the heels of Madonna into the Hall of Fame, in my opinion. For a period her success was up there with her brother and she had a profound influence on female pop (especially music videos and live performance) from the nineties onward.
I guess they’re going one female-pop-diva-type artist at a time, Madonna in 2008, Donna Summer probably this year or next, then I’d bet on Janet or Kate Bush being next.
It’s fun to read through who will become eligible within the next few years - can’t wait for the Straight Dope discussion in 2019 about whether Daft Punk, Brandy, Marilyn Manson, Usher and Korn are Hall of Fame-worthy.
None of the Jacksons are rock.
That’s super. thumbs up
No, I’ve defined my preferences. It is not all I know. I have formal training in classical music and also have a good working knowledge of some other forms like jazz, blues and even have some personal eccentric interests in certain kinds of ethnic music. What I don’t concern myself with is fucking pap like Barbara Streisand. Can you even play an instrument? Don’t try to lecture people who know more than you, ok?
I was talking about my preferences, not my range of actual knowledge. In my opinion, Springsteen would be better without the stupid fucking horns, but that doesn’t mean I don’t know Springsteen.
And Voodoo Child has one of my top 10 favorite disco guitar solos of all time.
Kate deserves to be in it, but I believe there is an unwritten rule that they are only going to nominate a living artist if they can be expected to perform at the Induction ceremony.
Based on his posts in this thread, by mental image of Diogenes is now an unholy amalgam of various Jack Black roles: The musical snobbery of his character in High Fidelity, the evangelism for his definition of rock in School of Rock but mostly all the lame bits from
Tenacious D in The Pick of Destiny. I’m now reading all his posts aloud in my head in Jack Black’s voice.
Madonna didn’t, but the Stooges did some of her songs at the ceremony, so maybe Kate could work something like that out. She did miss out on a BRIT Award for lifetime achievement though, because they require the recipient to perform.
Really? I couldn’t disagree more. Would the E Street Band be better off without the piano and keyboards too?
Your definition of Rock is garage band rock. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Yes, the E Street band would be better without the keyboards, in my opinion. I don’t like keyboards. They detract from the guitars, and I think they dilute the rock. That’s my opinion. I come from a hard rock background which (at least in my day) was a culture where keyboards were seen as anathema. Pussy. Automatically pop.
It’s fair to say that garage bands are my personal ideal of what constitutes rock, but that doesn’t mean they’re all I KNOW of rock, and I’m entitled to have an ideal.