2012 Republican nominee: Chris Christie or Sarah Palin (probably Christie)

I think either Chris Christie or Sarah Palin will be the Republican nominee. Probably Christie, because he’s a lot a smarter. To see why, let’s start with a historical analogy.

The printing press appeared in Europe around 1450. The obvious consequences of its appearance were that written material could now be printed much faster and cheaper than previously possible. Everyone understood those consequences. Other consequences were harder to realize. Martin Luther was the first person to figure out a vitally important social consequence of the printing press. He realized that the old system of producing and distributing books worked in favor of the Catholic Church, because a great deal of reading and writing involved the clergy and they had more resources for producing books. Luther realized that with the printing press, he and his followers could create huge volumes of material and distribute it directly to ordinary people, bypassing the church heirarchy entirely. He adapted a writing style that was more appropriate to printing than copying by hand, churning out huge numbers of pamphlets and small books that were generally self-contained and didn’t depend on a complicated web of references and analogies. This is part of the reason why his war of ideas against the papacy was so successful. He used the new communication technology to outfox his enemies.

Now fast forward five centuries. In the USA, while it’s technically possible for anyone to publish anything, there have been gatekeepers of a sort. As recently as ten years ago it was still true that TV, Radio, magazines and newspapers determined the political discourse. Now, ten years later, things have changed. Anyone can post a video on YouTube and there’s nothing that can be done to stop it (in most cases). Some candidates are still trying to get nominated the old way. Mitt Romney is the obvious case. His entire campaign is based around forming a committee, getting major fundraising, writing columns in the New York Times, appearing on TV, and other approaches that are just so ten years ago.

Christie and Palin, on the other hand, understand that YouTube and Twitter are the way of the future. Some people think that Palin can coast to the nomination on her unique synthesis of reality TV, twitters posts, and miscellaneous other types of communication. As I see it, though, she’s just too stupid to use those things effectively and actually win votes.

Christie, on the other hand, seems quite intelligent and understands exactly how to work with the new technology and bypass the old system. His YouTube channel has released 173 videos while other people have posted thousands more of him. Moreover, he seems to understand what makes a good YouTube video and to be aware that everything he says will get posted. He can get a good, solid argument into five minutes or less, which Romney just can’t do.

The most common points raised against Christie are low approval ratings and obesity. However, nearly all politicians have low approval ratings right now, so his won’t necessarily mean that he can’t get nominated. As for the fact that he’s fat and ugly, I don’t think that matters much. Ever since 1960 people have assumed that the right way to campaign is JFK’s way: be very good-looking, appear calm and collected, communicate soundly and at length. If you’re making an hour-long TV appearance, that approach works, because people have an hour in which to absorb your good looks and excellent communication skills. In a two-minute YouTube video that’s exactly the wrong approach. You have to be brash and in-your-face to make an effective video at that length. Chris Christie is.

I think “one term governor with no prior elected office experience above the county level” is probably going to weigh more heavily against him (hah!) than the obesity thing. It’s the same criticism often leveled at Palin (and Obama, for that matter).

And while Twitter and YouTube might be “the way of the future”, they’re not the way of the present. Old people still decide elections, and they don’t tweet.

If Sarah Palin were fat and ugly, we’d have never heard of her. Don’t discount the shallowness of the American electorate.

He took office in January 2010, so calling him a one-term governor is kind of rounding up. There seems to be a somewhat positive bipartisan impression of Christie, so I’m not saying he couldn’t have something to build on, but if he’s been in office for such a short time and has low approval ratings, being able to “bypass the old media” is not going to mean much. The political press loves to obsess over Twitter, but it hasn’t rendered them irrelevant. They just spend some time every day talking about what’s being said on Twitter, and a post there can be an excuse for a candidate to get booked on news shows. A Twitter post is a different way of delivering the same soundbyte that would get used as a soundbyte if it were delivered in a stump speech.

Candidates don’t make hour long TV appearances except in debates, and there are only a couple of those each election cycle.
As far as being “very good looking,” take a look at the presidents since JFK. Few of them would be described as “very good looking” even after several drinks. I’ll grant you that most of them would probably get rated ahead of Chris Christie. For that matter, not all of them were great speechmakers either.

I’m still willing to bet that Palin will get 9 percent or less of the vote in the New Hampshire primary. Either she doesn’t run, or she does and nobody wants her to.

There are lots of better candidates out there. Heck, even Newt Gingrich will probably be loads more popular than either of those two.

Oh, I think she’ll do better than that. This is the Republican Primary, after all; it’s the most passionate and involved voters within the Republican party, and she’s much more popular with those folks than she is with the nation at large. It’s the staunch Republican faithful who vote most frequently in the primaries, and that’s who her base is. I think she might get 20%, even 30% of the primary vote.

Last I heard Christie wasn’t interested in running. But from everything I’ve seen and heard from him I’m impressed with his no-bullshit attitude.

Yes he’s overweight but is he really ugly? I would ask if that really matters but I’m sure to many people it does.

Everyone talks about Palin as possibly being the next Republican nominee. But since she’s such a polarizing figure, has anyone considered the idea that she might run as the vice-presidential candidate again?

You don’t run for VP. You either run for president and lose, or you support someone else while not running. I don’t think any Republican is going to take her on as VP and risk getting overshadowed the way McCain did. I do think ITR champion’s assessment of her is very plausible.

First, I think Obama will be a heavy favorite to win re-election no matter who the Republican nominee is.

Second, I don’t think either Palin or Christie will be a strong contender. People on the Left often TALK as if the Far Right controls the Republican Party, but it doesn’t, and never has (more’s the pity). The Republicans usually don’t choose their nominees based on ideology. Rather, they look at the field and ask “Whose turn is it to run?” They usually pick either a veteran moderate (Bob Dole in 1996, George H.W. Bush in 1988, John McCain in 2008) or the runner-up from the last primary season (Reagan in 1980).

That says to me that Mitt Romney will be the nominee. He’ll have to try to learn to SOUND like a conservative in the meantime.

It’s definitely going to be Mitt Romney. He’s the smartest, most successful, best looking one in the group. And I think that people have gotten their “But he’s a Mormon” out of the way by now. There’s not so much moral panic after a person’s been in the public eye for years.

The problem, I fear, is that appleciders is right. The primaries will go to the candidate most appealing to the extreme voters. The democrats will do that, too. That’s how we ended up choosing between an old, conservative war veteran and a hopey-changey one-time Senator instead of a successful business man and governor (Romney) and a former first lady.

How was it GWB’s turn in 2000?

ETA: “Former first lady” is not a qualification for the presidency. Nepotism is not a virtue.

I think the whole “it’s that guy’s turn” thing is just a lazy, easy, way oversimplified news media hook. Just because it may have applied to Dole in 1996 doesn’t mean it is a permanent condition.

Disagree. Neither will be the nominee. You’re looking at Romney or Rick Perry.

Christie’s ratings are actually pretty good, for a guy who has made massive budget cuts and is in the midst of a recession. The knocks on Christie are

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[li]physical appearence[/li][li]lack of experience[/li][li]A blunt and abrasive approach can be refreshing at first, as a “breath of fresh air” contrast with the usual political blather, but it can get annoying after a while. IMHO Christie needs to tone it down a bit.[/li][/ul]

Perry attended the 2007 Bilderberg meeting, so he would have won the 2008 Presidential election if it was in the cards. :wink:

I don’t think we’re quite ready for a closeted gay president.

And, for a guy who has blown hundreds of millions of federal dollars through stupid mistakes. It’s especially annoying, since NJ is one of the top states in terms of dollars paid to the feds divided by dollars received.

Christopher Christie! Christ, what’s wrong with Americans and their names?! I guess he’s probably Christopher Christie the 3rd…

I’m only aware of one mistake (the education bill application). If you mean the tunnel, that was a deliberate decision.

No way around that. That’s a function of progressive tax rates and policies.