So it’s just small time corruption. And thirty grand would nearly double my family’s income, and there are six of us…so I’m not so down with this dismissal of it as chump change. :dubious:
I think we know now why they have been hiding their tax returns. I guess Bernie didn’t turn out to be so similar to Robespierre “The Incorruptible” after all.
It may seem like I’m gloating, but I’m actually sad to see people like my sixteen year old starry-eyed Bernhead son get their idealism get crushed like this. I hope it doesn’t just turn them off politics altogether.
Unless they were ever going to vote against your preferred candidate. In that case you’d be perfectly happy if it turned them off politics forever.
Look, the school closing looks bad. It looks like their “free education” is coming from people clueless about running a school. But I have trouble calling his wife getting paid for working on the camapign “small time corruption”.
Huh? Unless you mean that it turned them Republican, no. Even if they go vote for Jill Stein, that’s no worse than not voting at all (and probably better, assuming they also vote for Democrats downballot).
Josh Marshall at TPM today, emphasis in original: [INDENT][INDENT]It is worth noting the big picture here. Every day the Sanders and Clinton camps spend going apeshit at each other rather than beginning the work of unifying Democrats and progressives of all stripes into a coalition to keep Donald Trump out of the White House is a lost day. The primary campaign is demonstrably over. Hillary Clinton won, with pledged delegates. Whether you like that fact or don’t like it doesn’t change the fact itself. Whoever you think is right or wrong about this blow up in Nevada, building more acrimony and resentment after the fight is already over is a bad day for the Democrats and their prospects in November. [/INDENT][/INDENT] I disapprove of the tone of the posts of dalej42 and SlackerInc on the previous page.
Hey likewise so it’s all good, right?
Bernie really needs to level up now. The race is over, we need to pivot to the endgame. Of course there is no endgame in politics, not really. But ISTM that Bernie has lost focus on the medium run, never mind the long run. Which is too bad. Krugman: [INDENT][INDENT]But here’s the thing: a lot of Sanders supporters don’t understand this reality — 29 percent still believe that he’s the likely nominee, and another 11 percent aren’t sure.[/INDENT][/INDENT] 29+11=40 percent. That’s a problem.
Over in Las Vegas, there was a full scale freak-out: Bernie needs to step up and tell his supporters and his proxies that’s it’s time to pivot to the next stage in the plan. Sobering complaint to DNC: [INDENT][INDENT]We write to alert you to what we perceive as the Sander Campaign’s penchant for extra-parliamentary behavior—indeed, actual violence—in place of democratic conduct in a convention setting, and furthermore what we can only describe as their encouragement of, and complicity in, a very dangerous atmosphere that ended in chaos and physical threats to fellow Democrats."
“…At no time did any Sanders representative make anything more than token gestures towards peace in the hall, and at the times of most intense crisis offered little more than shrugs and smirks.” [/INDENT][/INDENT]
If he gets 1000 folks to run at the local level, that would be amazing. But Bernie supporters need to understand that the Democratic Party needs to become a big tent, so as to attract centrists and even neuro-typical conservatives. Also socialists. I’m not kidding.
Horsepucky. Sanders isn’t advocating anything that hasn’t been tested in Scandinavia. This is nothing like Libertaria fantasies of societies that don’t exist anywhere, never have and never could. You may not like his policies - I disagree with Sanders on several points - but they have a firm empirical foundation. A big tent Democratic Party ushering in an advance in American strength, prosperity and social welfare is viable. We know this because there’s been exactly this sort of advance during the Obama administration. Not far enough. But the numbers on health insurance coverage and changes in unemployment don’t lie nor is the fact that big corporations are divesting to avoid Too Big To Fail regulatory status.
I’m done with the “He won’t be the nominee, but I’m glad he’s still in the race” malarkey. His “revolution” is curdling and so is he. Clinton stayed in the race way longer than she should have in 2008 but I don’t recall her rhetoric ever sinking to these kinds of depths. Sanders is contributing nothing anymore except to reinforce to a bunch of (mostly young and idealistic) would-be Democratic voters that the system is irredeemably corrupt, and unsalvageable without him at its head. This is no longer about normalizing the concepts of single-payer health or free college tuition to a moderate electorate; this is a personal crusade fueled by self-righteousness, entitlement and spite. It needs to end.
I said nearly double, and I obviously meant in one year, but it’s nice to see how quickly a Bernie supporter can slip into snide classism when it’s dealing with someone who isn’t on the team. Do you realize when you use this jibe that your hero became a dad in 1969 and spent the next decade plus as way more of a broke-ass slacker than I have ever been since my kids were born? Pfffft.
QFT. He isn’t even willing to condemn violence and death threats, as long as they’re by his acolytes.
It’s breathtaking how he and his supporters have been doing pretty much everything they predicted Clinton would, but has not. In addition to ego and spite, on the part of his followers as well as himself, you can name projection.
I meant (obviously, I thought) the specific acts by his specific people, not some generica that does not really address the situation, and can be read as encouraging more of it.
I do understand what appears to be your own difficulty in accepting who he has shown himself to really be.
[QUOTE=Bernie Sanders]
Our campaign of course believes in non-violent change and it goes without saying that I condemn any and all forms of violence, including the personal harassment of individuals.
[/QUOTE]
Weasel words. Sanders does not acknowledge any wrongdoing by any of his supporters despite the fact that they’re literally threatening the lives of political opponents, and takes the opportunity to instead complain about acts of violence carried out against his own campaign, for which there is (as yet) no apparent corroboration. That one line aside, the entirety of Sanders’ message is that the Democratic Party needs to acknowledge his supporters as the true standard-bearers of progress in the Democratic Party, and respect them accordingly.
And not very well since the comments are specifically in text he just issued today entitled “Sanders Statement on Nevada” which was the situation and him addressing it.
They were not moved. The whole time they’ve been in a place where we were expecting that he would make some acknowledgement that his delegates engaged in wrongdoing. There is no such acknowledgement of this whatsoever in that statement, and in fact most of it is a complaint that his people were not treated better. It’s seriously fucked up.
Yep – count me among those who say “Show’s over, Bernie.” I have been among those who’ve been appreciative of his message, but his candidacy to nowhere makes it increasingly clear that he is becoming a major liability for the democratic party nominee and for the progressive movement. He reminds me of Herb Stempel on the movie Quiz Show: he’s so in love with himself now that he can’t play by the same rules that gave him the very attention he so craves. So what does he do? He sabotages everyone else around him.
His own feelings matter only to the extent that he’s willing to step up and show some leadership, show he believes in a party and a society and a country bigger than himself. Do you think he will, or even can? Do you think those of his supporters who think the actions in Nevada were at all justified can do that either.? Do you think *you *can?