Man, the Bears pick is starting to look a lot better as this round goes on. Teams were frigging desperate for QBs. Kizer may end up in the top 15. Maybe Arizona…
I think their offensive line could be brutal. Ogbuehi and Fisher are bad and Bodine is great at run blocking, but sub-average in pass blocking. Plus, I’m not sold on Ross. Dalton should be interesting to watch to see if he can actually get it done against good teams though.
As much as I thought (and think) Wentz has everything you could want in a QB prospect, I still love, love, love what Cleveland’s FO has been doing. If we all agree the draft is a crap shoot, but also the best way to build your team, the best strategy is to move down as often as possible and roll as many dice as you can. Eventually you can turn a red paperclip into something incredible (if ownership gives you enough time, which is the downside).
I hope so. Brent Celek is older and no longer a receiving threat. Ertz is good, but he strangely has weeks where he doesn’t make an impact. And Burton is mostly a special teams guy. Howard is basically a giant receiver, which the Eagles need long-term. I would love to gameplan an offense with Ertz and Howard.
I’m not sure I like the Brown’s trading out of 12 to the Texans. We get their 2018 1st to drop down to 25. More picks, I get it but there was some potential probowlers sitting there at 12.
Am I right in remembering that (at present) the Brown’s hold two 2018 firsts and three(?) seconds?
Me too. I think the Jets and especially the Saints, should be thrilled with how the draft is coming to them. I can only dream that Jonathon Allen or Malik Hooker continue to fall all the way to the Packers.
I’ve heard people saying the talent level from the middle of the first round through the end of it are pretty flat. In which case the Browns going from #12 to #25 for yet another first round pick is a good deal, if true. But I mostly wanted Hooker. Maybe Allen, but I guess there must be a reason he’s falling.
Clearly the Browns hate QB in this draft… and there’s a good chance they love someone next year, and they’ve stockpiled the picks to move up for them… but what do you do this year? Just punt another year because you don’t have a quarterback?
The FO must be extremely confident they have the trust and patience of the ownership to play the long term game they’re playing.
I like Barnett to the Eagles, though I’m not sure it was a huge need with Brandon Graham there. But drafting the 2nd or 3rd best edge defender at 14 is a nice get.
Not so sure abut that. They may have thought they’d have a chance to get Garrett and Trubisky either if QBs slid or through trade back up. They may have liked Mahomes, but didn’t expect anyone to leapfrog them.
This is what happens when you play the “value game” and aren’t assertive. It’s all timing and some luck. They may have just misread the mood around QBs and were just too passive.
Marshon Lattimore makes me a happy Saints fan so far tonight.
Thank god it wasn’t Charles Harris. I would have preferred other players over Barnett, but Philly’s defense can’t work without pressure from the front four, and the team fell apart once the pressure dried up. Hopefully this helps.
Isn’t that the best option? Rather than going out and throwing a stupid pile of money at an unproven backup like Osweiler or throwing away draft resources to overdraft a project QB you don’t have any faith in, it makes sense to build your team elsewhere and wait until a guy you really like is available.
No, this doesn’t make sense. Time and contracts matter. QBs take years to develop. Even if you find a guy you like, he’s not going to win the Super Bowl in years 1-3. All those guys you took while you waited for your QB will have attrited either through age, injury or salary cap before your QB is actually able to produce.
If you find a QB and he pans out, in year 4 when you are ready to make a run you can sign a WR and a DE in free agency or trade up in the draft. It doesn’t work the other way around. The Bears “waited” on QB in the '00s and had awesome defenses. They drafted Grossman, Orton and traded for Cutler and those defensive players missed their shot because they had no QB.
If your goal is to go 8-8 and be consistently competitive, then treating QBs like every other position and going strictly BPA is a nice strategy. If you want Super Bowls, you better find a QB. QBs are the only position in the NFL that isn’t fungible, and the fact that they last for 15 years when you find one is critical. You have time to build once you’ve solved that problem.
Do they though? Or is this antiquated thinking from the past where everyone thought a QB had to sit for a season? Rookies now routinely come in and start and play exceptionally well, to the point that it is no longer an exception. There are plenty of examples of QBs who came in year one and played well. It’s a whole lot easier if they come onto a team that isn’t a disaster, rather than having to tread water in a storm until help comes along.
If the Cowboys pass on a DE in the first round I wouldn’t be crushed but I hope they don’t bother with one after that. They have too many of those ‘maybe’ guys on the roster to take another.
That’s certainly the best way. Find an elite QB like Brady, Rodgers, Peyton Manning in his prime, Brees maybe. Those kind of elite QBs are certainly worth their weight in gold, and if you have the opportunity to get them, you certainly should, and pay them all they ask for.
But that works for 3 or 4 teams every year. The other 28 teams need to find another way. And, as I think QB’s like RGIII, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Tim Tebow, Sam Bradford, Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Tannehill, Blake Bortles, Brandon Wheedon, EJ Manuel, Johnny Manziel, etc all show the folly of chasing the dream of maybe, possibly, roll the dice and hoping, of getting an elite QB in the first round is a huge waste of resources. When the game is stacked against you, the solution isn’t to bet even more.
Meanwhile, teams like the Broncos, Panthers, 49ers, Seahawks, Ravens, Giants, and even the Bears will continue to make the playoffs and have a shot at winning the Super Bowl on the basis of a strong defense and running game.
But we’ve had this discussion thousands of times before. And I’m more than happy to watch team and after team, especially the Bears, throw resources chasing the dragon of getting an elite QB. Roll them dice and hope.
The Panthers invested the #1 overall pick in their QB and he’s pretty dang good
How many rookies came in and won playoff games? Russell Wilson, with a historically great defense, is the only real success story since Roethlisberger (who they won in spite of). It’s a fallacy to think you can “find” a Wilson or a Prescott when your team is “ready”. That was dumb luck.
I’m really hoping Taco Charlton, Forrest Lamp, or maybe even Ramczyk will be available when the Packers pick. I’d even settle for Tra’Davious White.
I hope whoever gets Charlton has a Thursday night home game and the stadium has a Taco Thursday offer.
And with the number of picks left you’re pretty much assured of one of those.
If you’ve got an elite QB you have lots of shots. A shot almost every season. You can make mistakes and still win it all any year. You can overcome injuries. You can throw fastballs, curves and sliders.
Those “other teams” technically have a shot, but they have to be almost perfect. You don’t need just need a good defense and running game, you need a all-time great defense. You need almost perfect health.
Sure, you’re not going to be a laughing stock by taking the other road, but those odds are a lot taller than finding a elite QB if your goal is a SB. Having a elite QB is like starting every Texas Hold-em hand with pocket aces. Trying to find the next Ravens, Buccaneers or Seahawks defense is like playing with a suited 4 and 8.