South Carolina used to be part of the South, but I honestly don’t know what the hell it is anymore. It seems to be North Florida these days, and we all know that Florida’s not a Southern state.
This is just getting embarrassing now.
South Florida might not be Southern, but North Florida certainly is.
asahi, are there any Southern states at all, other than Mississippi and Alabama?
Louisiana
It’s only embarrassing if you’re from North Carolina and calling yourself a southerner.
Louisiana is less Southern than either Carolina, northern Florida, or Texas.
Nope, but I’m not gonna go into it with you now. You’ll just have to trust me on this.
Sounds like the Redneck Riviera is failing in its marketing and branding efforts. 
The situation in NC-9 is looking pretty wild. Lots of irregularities regarding absentee ballots in November, but also back in the Republican primary when Mark Harris beat the Republican incumbent Rep. Robert Pittenger. The bipartisan State Board of Elections unanimously decided to delay certification of the results, but that Board is due to be dissolved next week due to an earlier court ruling stemming from the Republican legislature’s attempt to wrest control of the Board from the Democratic governor. And the shit-show that has been North Carolina politics for the last few years continues. . .
Louisiana is frequently controlled by Democrats. It’s an entirely different thing from the rest of the South.
Interestingly, the election for Louisiana’s next Secretary of State will be decided in a run-off in December. The Democratic candidate is African-American, and made it to the runoff despite basically no help from the state party.
Ain’t enough rolleyes.
Just saw this map of Wilder’s 1985 win, so I’m tossing it in because why not.
Asahi, you’ve made two silly assumptive statements here.
- That black people can’t get elected in the south.
- Any state that DOES elect black people is therefore NOT the south.
But looking through things it’s not hard to disprove either of those things. As pointed out, Virginia, South Carolina and Georgia have all done so. If you expand to include people of color then Louisiana has done so and South Carolina gains a Governor of color in Nikki Haley.
Well and good. But you then exclude those states - the very heart of the south - as not being ‘southern’ somehow. That’s silly. All were pro-segregation Jim Crow states until forced to surrender those policies by federal order. All rebelled against the union during the Civil War and all maintained a strong racist tendency long into the 20th and 21st centuries.
You state, however, that your opinion is correct because you’ve lived in the south. Curiously, so do I. I currently live in South Carolina. I can assure you that I see confederate battle flags flying in people front yards every single day. I see pick up trucks with ‘The South shall rise again’ and ‘Heritage, not Hate’ stickers on a daily basis. And I live just outside of Charleston, which is the most diverse and cosmopolitan part of the state.
To also challenge your thesis, what about other states? Is Montana a southern state? It’s certainly never elected a black person to statewide office. Or Wyoming? Are we really in a position where those two states are ‘the south’ while the heart of the confederacy somehow isn’t?
The mind boggles. Truly.
So, unrelated election question: Apparently there is this legal method of voting in California known as “ballot harvesting,” where people collect ballots on behalf of others and submit them on behalf of others. How does this provide any protection against tampering? David can go to Mary’s house, collect Mary’s ballot, but then either substitute a forged ballot of his own, or change Mary’s vote, couldn’t he?
“Black candidates can’t get elected in the South”
“But Southern states X, Y and Z have elected black candidates”
“Those aren’t ***true ***Southern states!” (Edit: Or, those weren’t “true” black people.)
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Both, at the same time. Which means we have to prove BOTH are untrue, to counteract the “or”. :rolleyes:
The AP has retracted its call for Mark Harris in NC-09
Apparently the deal is that since the primary outcome has been certified (suspicious as it may be), it’s set in stone, unless the House tosses the whole thing out.
Dems + 40 after win in CA21. May be +41 after North Carolina shakes out.