2024 Summer Olympics Thread

Agreed.

I’m a lifelong archer myself, but of a very different ilk than the (to me) over-engineered, über-synthetic, gadgetized, sanitized Olympic version on display in Paris, but there still is a tangible physical aspect to the sport, with different kinds of draw sequences, little shot sequence rituals and even facial expressions between archers on show, plus the semi-visible arch of the arrows and the satisfying ‘thunk’ of the arrows driving into the target.

Some sets I happened to see, like the women’s team final, was actually kinda exciting to watch, as close as it was. And the heart rate monitor is a nice touch, emphasizing the mental battle aspect of the sport.

Watching 10 M air rifle for just fifteen minutes is pretty mind-numbing in comparison, with extremely little of anything to see. The best part is basically watching the shooters hobble off the shooting line in their heavy, stiff shooting gear, like a knight with a very ill-fitting armor.

Both shooting sports would be much better as spectator sports if the “engineered solution to every problem” approach (ie. gadgets) was abandoned, and simpler, leaner, more difficult, more physical equipment replaced it. After all, learning who’s the best shot has very little to do with the absolute level of accuracy attained - it’s all relative.

As it is, oh, how I wait for the track & field events, which are cool in part precisely because the shot that is put is the same it always was, with generation after generation playing the same, simple yet incredibly difficult, game.

I was actually very pleasantly surprised that it wasn’t all USA all the time. They do show a few events where competitors from other nations won Gold or notable events. Of course most of the coverage is centered on Americans, but that’s what most of the audience wants anyway.

Man buns may be over but they still serve a purpose. By simply applying one, a man can instantly remove up to all his credibility.

I find that the coverage is okay but nothing exciting. No TV can match the selection of online stuff. Sure, I would often change events, background info on the host country and city, the display and frequency of commercials, lots of things. But it ain’t bad, and better still if you use channels from different countries.

I admit I’m not researching Peacock to see where coverage might be better. Last night my wife had it on. I asked if she had looked for alternative streams, and she said she had, but we didn’t discuss further.

I stuck around for maybe 45 minutes. Saw some men’s gymnastics and I think a couple of swimming races.

What I realized was the difference from how gymnastics used to be shown. ISTR they used to show the men (and women) marching from event to event. And they’d give up-to-date standings as to who was in the running for medals (generally Russia or some Eastern Bloc country - or China/Japan). They’d generally highlight at least 1 competitor from the other competing countries, and show their routines.

Last night (on the stream we watched), essentially all they showed was the US routines. (I only saw floor and horse). Maybe 3 times they showed portions of a Japanese/Chinese competitor - on high and parallel bars I believe. A couple of good routines, and one guy who fell (twice). And at the beginning they said something about what was needed to beat Ukraine - and I think they showed 1 Ukrainian routine.

Just really did not give a good sense of the competition. Not sure if that reflects that the US USED to be in the running for gold, whereas now they were just scrapping for a bronze. But the differences between the presentations was striking.

I’ll offer my usual criticism that, if athletes are going to go through the effort of posing with a flag, they ought not wear it over their shoulders, ball it up, whatever. I’m no nut about flag display, but I think a TEENY bit of respect would nice.

I thought the mountain bike racing was fun to watch. Those guys are crazy, zipping between trees and bounding down rocks. Looked like a tall biker would decapitate himself going through that pipe used to separate crossing paths. Cool how sometimes they had a choice of a couple paths to take.

I’m not sure if the U.S. men have ever threatened for team gold in gymnastics. I think they ended a 16-year medal drought last night just by getting the bronze.

I somewhat agree, but I think the ship has sailed on that.

Where are you folks seeing rifle shooting and mountain biking? I’ve been watching a fair bit of coverage on NBC and USA, but neither of those events have shown up, yet.

You have to watch the daytime coverage to see non-US teams. We saw a lot of the competitors from Japan, China, Ukraine, Italy, and a few others. We watch the Primetime coverage, too, and it leans much more heavily USA! USA! USA! But they have slightly different commentary, so you get some other info. That’s why we watch both.

When does the track bike racing occur? They race small bikes, I think, on a short track and it is super intense. Also, what is this event called?

Never was a huge fan of gymnastics. Likely was thinking of the women from Olga/Nadia/Mary Lou days.

My impression was that the coverage in gymnastics, swimming, skating … used to be “The US vs the Soviets/E Ger/China…” So they would build up the opposing teams. Or at least, the top competitors on those teams. Yesterday, it was all about these 5 Americans.

Maybe the Cold War made for better Olympics TV coverage! :wink:

Yeah. Just one little aspect of the “ugly Americans.” Along with the swimmers’ cowbells. Probably not a good cultural comparison, but I preferred the demeanors of the Asian gymnasts. Maybe an informal poll - are “enthusiastic displays” and “psyching up” by athletes ever too much? Are there ready examples of other nations’ teams acting in a manner I’m suggesting is excessively exuberant?

Anyone else think it is plenty time to stop strapping heart monitors on moms?

I’m really trying NOT to hate watch them at this point. It is just common for my wife and me to watch a little TV before turning in, and if she has the Os on, I want to try to be in the same room. Tonight I’m playing in a concert, so I’ll be spared watching. I saw she got a DVD from the library, so maybe we’ll watch that tomorrow.

Like I said, I would willingly watch quite a bit of the games. But the manner in which they televise primetime could not be better devised to push my buttons. My problem, I know.

Final thought - does anyone know how many of the US athletes are effectively professional athletes? The swimmers in their 20s - do they have “day jobs”? Or is training all they do? Just seems a curious existence. Training fulltime, for an occasioal 50 second race. I imagine many of the younger athletes are “college students”.

We know a couple of Olympian speedskaters. They drew stipends. Some of them did not attend college, and now that they no longer compete, have less than golden careers. Pretty sure one of them drives truck. Would be weird to have a gold medal sitting on your dresser, and be spending a lot of time in truck stops…

Not sure about how many but some take on multiple jobs.

One of the more recent social media things is the captain of the women’s water polo team sent out a request for help on Instagram, because several members of the team were taking 2nd and 3rd jobs just to make ends meet. Flavor Flav saw that and stepped in to sponsor the team.

Olga Korbut was from the Soviet Union and was hugely popular in '72, Nadia Comaneci from Romania in '76, and Mary Lou Retton at her home games in '84. It did play into the whole East/West Cold War thing at the time. The U.S. has had a lot of success in women’s gymnastics since then, probably because it’s been so popular in the U.S. that it attracts funding and lots of girls who want to try it. The men’s side has never caught on so much. Good on them for the bronze this year; they were clearly thrilled.

I don’t think it’s strictly an American thing; we just see it more because the coverage here focuses on American successes. I recall Usain Bolt posing with a Jamaican flag after some of his wins. A French cross-country skier at the winter games took a flag from a spectator and waved it as she crossed the finish line. Watch a Ryder Cup match from Europe and listen to the “Ole! Ole! Ole!” chants.

There’s a fine line, though. Sometimes it’s exuberant, sometimes it’s jerkish. I can’t define it, but I know it when I see it.

There’s a commercial for Nike that’s running during the coverage. Shots of various intense athletes are shown with a voice over “Am I a bad person? I have no empathy. I don’t respect you. I’m never satisfied. I have an obsession with power. I’m irrational. I have zero remorse. I have no sense of compassion. I’m delusional. I’m maniacal. You think I’m a bad person?” At the end I say “yes, you’re a horrible person and a civilized society should shun you and have nothing to do with you.”

I got to hang out with a gold medalist for an evening. He used his gold medal as a drink coaster, but I took it as him being ironically self-effacing.

The men’s 400IM was very similar. Summer won by 5.69 seconds, and Marchand won the men’s by 5.67 seconds. The men’s was even more striking to me because the race behind Marchand was extremely close - there was only .2 seconds separating second and fourth place.

I don’t know if there’s something about the IM that would produce this kind of outcome more often. Maybe the variety of strokes produces more variance? Or maybe it’s just less popular so there’s more chance of a single outlier? I can’t remember seeing anything similar other than Ledecky crushing everyone in the distance events.

Thomas Jolly, the director, had clarified that the inspiration was not the Cène, but an Olympic feast (as in gods of Olympe). Especially a painting from the XVIIe, and also depictions of Bacchus ( and the well known tendency of the various gods at transformation so drag-queens).
It wasn’t intended to attack christian faith (or any other faith).

Which would be strange for what is still a deeply Catholic nation in any case

not deeply Catholic, more atheist. But not overtly blasphemous as some may think. Personally, my first tough on this sketch was “fashion week defile”

men’s gymnastics is the exception to the men’s sport is king thing. most men’s sports have huge funding and the women’s sports are under funded. colleges and universities have cut men’s gymnastics.

temple university cut the team in 2014, it has fought its way back, it was a very uncertain time.

perhaps getting a medal this year will help revitalize the sport.

I’m watching the 3x3 basketball on NBC, USA vs Serbia. Fast-moving game, not great basketball, but entertaining nonetheless.

Figure skating, too, although I don’t know of collegiate level funding to really measure it. Others go through phases depending on who is successful at a given time. Women’s professional tennis seemed to get more attentionn during the careers of the Williams sisters; not sure if that manifested at the college level or not.

Do those who complain about the supposed offense remember that the whole thing is based on an ancient pagan festival?

What ! ! You mean that this didn’t REALLY happened? :exploding_head:
More seriously they don’t seem to know anything other than "I am offended by everything that is not in my small secure mind "