5/5 - Hugh Howey's SF Silo Series to be series on Apple TV

I haven’t read the book so bear with me here. I don’t understand why anyone is rebelling. The proles thing the folk in charge are lying to them, and that it’s safe to go outside? The folk in charge seem terrified about a rebellion where the proles will force open the airlock, thereby killing everyone.

But the proles don’t need a rebellion to go outside. They just have to say “I wanna go outside!” and the folk in charge say “There’s the door, don’t let it hit you in the ass on your way out”, and out they go.

In fact, all the folk who think the administrators are lying. “The display is a lie” and all that. Anyone is free to go see for themselves. If they feel so strongly why not just go?

What am I missing here?

A mass evacuation (or any kind of mass action that threatens the Pact) risks upsetting the Silo’s equilibrium. And (major spoiler, though it’s been alluded to the people really in charge (Silo 1) can wipe out the entire population (and they have on more than one occasion).

I get that but if there has always been this safety valve available I find it hard to believe that the situation would reach the point where a mass or forced evacuation became viable. Folk who wanted to leave would have just left. The entire first episode focused around this point.

Some good news:

It will help.

I thought I was losing my eyesight watching this season even with the brightness cranked up. I get the “there is very little power in the silo” but I can suspend my disbelief if I can see the characters move on the screen instead of a lighter blob on a dark background.

Overall, the season was good, but not great. A bit more consistent than S1, which started out and ended up strong, but lagged in the middle.

The best parts of S2 for me were Bernard (largely due to Tim Robbins) and Solo (largely due to Steve Zahn). The rest was a bit hit and miss. The worldbuilding and general production design of the show is SO good, and the actors are generally so committed, that it’s easy to overlook how nonsensical so much of what happens is.

Still, very compelling show overall.

I have not read the books, I only just finished binging the season. I assumed what he told Bernard was that the decision had been made, the Silo was done for, and nothing he did mattered at this point. Which is why his key fop was not even blinking as it usually does in an emergency, it was now out of his hands entirely.

Having just finished the season I think my biggest issue is now back to the original premise. What happened in Solo’s silo would be my first guess as to what would happen the moment someone got out to clean and saw the fake video. They would write LIES on the monitor instead of cleaning. If cleaning is so gosh darned important that they have to have this comboluted system to trick outcasts and doubters into doing it you could have just done it the right way from the start and have volunteers who are allowed back in do it once in a while. Just have one person who’s only job in the silo is to go out for 30 seconds every 10 years using the good tape and cleaning the damn camera.

Bumping to post the Season 3 teaser (starts 3 July).

No matter how I massage the link, I still get “An error occurred: Sorry, you can’t embed media items in a post.” :face_with_symbols_on_mouth:

Yeah, I can’t get it to work either. The usual tricks aren’t working.

Anyway, thanks for the update.

man this 2-3 years between seasons thing we’ve got going now really kills my interest in shows coming back. it feels like so long ago I hardly remember what happened in the last one. Guess I’ll watch season 2 again before season 3 happens.

Although I was thinking I could probably skip the part where Juliet tries to figure how to get deeper into the other silo because I do remember that plotline lasts forever and then I realized I’ll probably skipping over literally 40% of the scenes in the season.

My guess (going by the books) for parts of the previous season that will be useful to remember: rewatch everything from Silo 18. You can probably skip everything in 17.

Not that I think the Silo 17 story was bad, but it’s more standalone without direct ties to the bigger lore.

I stopped watching Season 2 about 3 or 4 episodes in. I will have to go back and finish before Season 3 starts. They spent far too long trying to get Juliette a new suit to go back outside.

That is yet another thing that The Pitt gets right. They are keeping it on a schedule so a new season comes out in less than a year.

A full trailer for Season 3 has been released.

It looks like things diverge even more dramatically from the books.

My initial reaction is oh no, an amnesia plot? It’s a lazy plot device for creating tension in the wrong places. Maybe they’ll do it right, but I’m a little worried.

↑ To quote Ringo in Help!, “There’s more here than meets the eye.”

A few other random thoughts (disclaimer: I only got about halfway through Shift before bogging down, so some answers may be there; though Og knows how closely the show will follow the books anyway):

  • Are there any “good guys” in the Silo? On the surface Knox and the other Mechanical personnel (and auxiliaries, like the deputy) probably come closest, since they’re emotionally attached to Juliette; but that doesn’t rule out another agenda.
  • What’s the significance (if any) to the Mine v Supply subplot?
  • Who’s behind the message to Juliette? Was “Tony” involved, and of so, how?
  • Who are the “Outsiders,” and what do they want? A helmet by itself isn’t much use.
  • What’s so special about Silo 18, that Silo 1 hasn’t “reset” it or pulled the trigger on Safeguard?

In addition, the “present day” arc has a long way to go. To kindasorta echo @TroutMan, I’m somewhat optimistic (emphasis on “somewhat”).

At least the memory suppression drugs were already canonically established.

I say after having watched s3e1.

Yes, at least it’s not the “bump on the head” trope. I’m a bit more optimistic.

Midway through S3E3 and I’m really not caring for the split timeline (to date, for the entire season so far), particularly as the “past” events (seemingly five minutes in our future) are not particularly interesting and the characters kind of suck, too. Also, so much of the depiction of the military stuff is nonsensical, possibly starting with the time/distance calculations for when Congress Guy’s sister sees him to when she carries out the mission supposedly from an aircraft carrier. Maybe I am just inferring a shorter timeline than I should be, but it really seems like the Iran mission is imminent—as in within a matter of days or even just a couple—when they meet, but then it is explicitly launched thousands of miles away (by itself not a problem) from the deck of an aircraft carrier (in which case, how the hell is she back in the US on the eve of such an important mission? Yes, in theory, she could be on leave, but… she wouldn’t be. She just wouldn’t. Not just a couple days before such an important mission, or even realistically while her squadron is deployed at all, outside something like attending a funeral for an immediate relative).

And then on the more tactical side… no. Just no. You do not fly aircraft, let alone for a combat sortie as part of a planned operation, to pass that close to a ship launching cruise missiles right as it is launching. Not only is that not a thing, that is a thing that planners and even individual operators actively avoid.

And the stupidity continues even into the finer details (to the point I might just let it go as mere nitpicks, if it weren’t part of such an immersion-shattering series of unforced errors). From the utterly boneheaded use of unencrypted analog communications (not only can they be intercepted and listened in on as shown in the series itself: they can also be tracked from hundreds of miles away at least through radio direction finding, literally a WWII-era technology) to the Commanding Officer of USS Nimitz, an aircraft carrier, being a Surface Warfare Officer (by law, they have to be a flight officer or an aviator). Unfortunately I did not catch how many stripes he had on his sleeve (couldn’t tell if it was 3 or 4), but if it was only 3, that’s another obvious blunder (he also did not have anywhere close to the number of ribbons one would expect for the CO of a CVN these days).

Ugh. I just really hope they will have the good sense to wrap up the past (5 minutes into our future) timeline midway through the season so we can get back to focusing on the one timeline where I at least care a little about the characters.

That said, don’t for a minute think I don’t have some concerns with the Juliette Nichols timeline (for starters, there’s the “idiot plot” to unnecessarily introduce tension as all her friends know her memory is gone, at least for now, but being so easily offended by her… not remembering them).