Or perhaps they noticed that he had no reflection.
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It’s not idiotic to think he may be an atheist. When polls are taken of highly intelligent, educated people who don’t have to worry about their public image (at least, not nearly as much as politicians, pundits, or CEOs), belief in God (other than some mushy “higher power”) is about one in three. Even if you include “higher power,” it’s only 51%. Combine that with polls suggesting that atheists are even less electable in the US than Muslims, and the idea that there are many atheists who pretend to be Christians for the sake of their public image is very plausible.
No proof, of course, but it’s not idiotic, especially given the wording of the question.
It’s similar to JFK being a Catholic. I was born after his assassination but I’ve read that this was a big deal in terms of his candidacy. The truth however, was that he was a Catholic in name only. The guy not only cheated on his wife, he had freakin’ sex parties in the family mansions all thru his life as well as in The White House!
My problem with Obama is not that I think he secretly prays to Mecca when nobody’s looking. It’s that he doesn’t seem to accept the idea that America was founded on and strongly adheres to general Judeo-Christian values and beliefs. I’m not religious (atheist I guess) but I still believe and value these things. And firmly believe them to be superior (more enlightened, more democratic, more humane, more realistic etc.) to the ethical and moral and cultural beliefs of Islam (as well as strict Catholicism, Orthodox Judaism etc.) And I don’t consider myself a Nazi for this…
No, but don’t forget separation of Church and State by the Deist Founding Fathers.
Judaism and Catholics came before Islam and Protestant beliefs. They stole from the Jews.
I’m scratching my head, wondering what exactly the president has said or done to make you think he doesn’t appreciate the country’s Judeo-Christian values.
And I don’t know why he should pay lip service to these values anyway, or why it matters that they were what this country was founded upon. This country was founded upon racism too, but as a society we’ve decided this was some crazy-ass bullshit. Maybe the president doesn’t sing the praises of “Judeo-Christian values” because it’s a catch-all term that doesn’t mean a whole lot. Unquestioning obedience to authority is just as “Judeo-Christian” as a personal pursuit of truth and freedom. Personally, I don’t want my leader trying to whitewash history to appease people who need their faith constantly affirmed.
Well, wait. What specific doctrinal terms are you thinking of?
“Honor your father and your mother?” Okay, fine, whatever.
“Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.” Not so good. That’s intruding on the private rights of individuals. It takes a faith-based prohibition and applies it to people who may not share that principle of faith.
You say “general” Judeo-Christian values. But the problem is that the religions in question have a great many very specific values, which are not derived from the consent of the governed, but from a system of faith. How can you apply them to people who do not share that faith?
How about an even more generalized system of morals that apply to all people? We can call it enlightened universal humanism or something…
The reason he refuses to use the phrase “Islamic terrorists” is his refusal to acknowledge that the muslim religion is the overwhelming cause. All muslims aren’t terrorists but all of these current terrorists are muslim. And more importantly, it is their (very common in their countries) interpretation of this religion which is totally driving their motivation to murder. And by not saying so Obama is tacitly agreeing with this.
Its like refusing to admit that Germany invaded Poland unprovoked. Not all Germans were Nazis, but a majority of them voted Hitler in and reaped the benefits for a while. But in the end they knew it was a horrible mistake, and an entire generation and then some are still ashamed for it. Muslims should be horribly ashamed of these so-called ‘fellow muslims’, yet they aren’t. At all.
This is the crux of the ‘Obama is really a muslim’ belief.
Wow. So before, when I said it was profoundly ridiculous to call Obama a Muslim? I’d like to double down on that, please.
Actually, the analogy that follows directly from your argument is that it’s disingenuous to say that Nazism was not a Christian movement. Not all Christians were Nazis, but all Nazis were Christians (at least professedly), and it was their interpretation of this religion, especially as exemplified in the writings of Martin Luther, that totally drove their motivation to persecute Jews.
The Bible exhorts us about 3000 times to feed the hungry and heal the sick and give to the poor. There is nothing that the Republicans who hate Obama stand for more than refusing to heal the sick, refusing to feed the hungry and spreading contempt for the poor. Republicans have the most anti-Christian policies possible, while loudly proclaiming their piety, which is utterly false in view of the importance that the Jews and Christians place in their written scriptures expressed thousands of times on feeding the hungry, healing the sick and caring for the poor. So excuse me if I am of the opinion that American politicians who proclaim their religion and vote only for the rich and powerful are anti-Christians.
In* Ivanhoe*, Wamba the Fool says, “For every Jew you show me who is not a Christian, I’ll show you a Christian who is not a Christian.”
I say that deep down, Obama is an atheist.
Islam is the cause of terrorism? Says who?
I say that deep down, you are a Sufi. WHAT NOW?
And you likely have no more proof of that assertion than those who say he’s Muslim. If you have proof that he’s not actually Christian like he says, pony it up.
I say that on the surface and all the way to the core, every prominent Republican in America follows Mammon and not Christ, and my evidence is their deeds.
IMO, you couldn’t be more incorrect. In pretty much every case of jihadist terrorism I can think of, the terrorists, if they cite Islamic doctrine at all, treat it as a moral fig leaf to cover actions that they would have carried out in any event. In other words, first came the motivation to carry out mayhem, them came the supposed religious justification for it.
That’s between them and God, just like Obama’s religion is between him and God.
Not if they claim as part of their campaign that they are more godly/righteous than their opponents. And they do.
I have no problem with religion being part of politics, and that is as it should be, because religion is a huge part of politics.