A 1 ton Grizzly Bear is charging you: Curl up in a ball. Stand Still. Bear Spray?

My brother just got back from a trip to Alaska where he got me a very interesting souvenir. Bear Spray. Yep you guessed it, pepper spray for a bear…Before you stop reading check out the bear testimonials, on the link…Very scary some of them, some even have pictures. Apparently it really works, seriously. My question is this: You are tromping around yellowstone national park and you come across a one ton Grizzly sow with 2 cubs…she charges. What is the best form of defense? Stand there like some people say. Juststand your ground, don’t look at their eyes and they will stop before they reach you…it’s only a fake charge…yeah right!

Curl up into a ball and cover your vitals. The bear will bat you around a bit, but she’ll leave you alone.

Or use the handy dandy bear spray…it has a reach of up to 40 feet and has a super consentration of pepper spray in it. Hmmm…what if the wind is coming at you? I’ve been to Yellow Stone, I’ve seen the Bear and Mountain Lion warnings. I’ve seen how fast the wind can whip through there…

What would you do? Have you ever seen a bear? What happened?

It depends entirely on the reason for the attack. If it’s a predatory attack (the bear wants to eat you), the thing to do is fight back. Wave your arms, shout, throw things at the bear, hit it with sticks, whatever you can do to make it as difficult as possible, so the bear goes away to find an easier meal. Ona the other hand, if it’s a protective attack (a mama bear with cubs), you should lie face down with your hands laced behind your neck and lie still. She might maul you a little, but once she perceives that you no longer pose a threat to her young, she’ll move off. If you fight back in this case, she will kill you.

Its been on the market for a very long time, and even available in Canada.

Pepper spray is worth a try, sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesnt, just like on people, but nothing works better than a gun in trying to stop a grizzly.

Anyways, you had better check your local laws, each state is different, bear spray is different than people spray, and the bear pepper spray available in Alaska may not be legal in your state, may not be legal to use on humans in your state, and it may even be a crime for you to possess it in your state.

Well…generally speaking. Grizzlies are notoriously unpredictable and evil-tempered. I would say it would be a bad decision to throw anything at a pissed-off grizz, and if it’s close enough to hit with a stick, you’re toast anyway. Making oneself appear larger is advisable. Pick up a tree branch over your head, spread your arms, etc, talk in a low voice and back away slowly, never taking your eyes off the animal.

In any case, never run from a grizzly. From a black bear, yes; from a grizzly, no. The advice about a protective mother is good. If you’re lucky, you’ll only be mauled.

Pepper spray and bear bells…well, there’s a joke about how to tell the difference between black bear scat and grizzly scat. Black bear scat contains bits of squirrels and smells like blueberries. Grizzly scat contains pieces of bells and smells like pepper. Pepper spray may discourage a docile bear. An enraged grizzly is generally unstoppable with anything short of a howitzer.

Oh, by the way, a 1-ton grizzly would truly be an anomaly. The world record bears are generally in the 1200-1500 pound range.

The audiotape of the death of naturalist Timothy Treadwell and his girlfirend seems to indicate that if a big-ass bear wants a piece of you, he’s going to get it.

At least it was an honorable death.

I think that John Muir’s account of bear hunter David Brown gives the best advice.

  1. Spot the bear before he spots you.
  2. Get downwind of it.
  3. Place yourself at the base of a tree which you can climb but which is too narrow for the bear to climb (but sturdy enough that the bear can’t knock it down).

It’s not fair advice, but pissed off bears aren’t fair, either.

Gotta admit, the very first thing that occured to ME was ‘isn’t this what firearms were invented for?’

Animal Planet did some documentatries on this thing a coupla years ago. It basically put bear encounters into 3 categories:
BEAR seeking manflesh: extremely rare, characterized by stalking/shadowing by the bear (you turn around and the critter is just following you & sizing you up). Advise: get agressive and evil toward the bear. Do not act like prey by running away or appearing to be an easy target–just pretend you are downtown and notice you are being followed. If you look easy you will be dinner.

BEAR is surprised by hiker most common encounter. Remembering the law of the jungle, the bear is thinking of 2 things: “Bear believe this turf belong to Bear, that why Bear is here, defend Bear’s Turf (and huckleberry bush)!” and “This animal is threat to Bear, Bear must threaten back.” Advise: Do not act like prey by running away; the bear will quickly change its attitude about you and you will not be entertained by the result. Demonstrate to the bear that you are NOT a bear. This is where hand-waiving and yelling comes in handy. The bear may do a fake charge during which you are free to fling your rapidly appearing feces at the bear along with rocks, sticks and smaller hiking companions. Back away. The bear is not interested in eating you, it is interested in never seeing you again.

BEAR thinks you have become a threat to cubs Seasonal risk–know when the cubs will be about. And if you are another bear, you would be. You’d be interested in killing the cubs and making some of your own (sometimes). Advise: Do not act like prey by running away; the bear will quickly change its attitude about you and you will not be entertained by the result. Demonstrate that you are not a bear. Prepare to get beat up a little if Mama presses the issue. This is going to be a very bad day for you if you did not bring your rifle.

At Parks Canada we know a thing or two about bear attacks.

Gotta second that. If you’re prancing around bear and mountain lion country, and you’re not armed with a high caliber pistol, then you deserve to be on the evening news.

I’m there too. 44 mag or a 454 Casull and the ability to use it effectively.

There’s a lot of conflicting advice, both in this thread and on the 'net. The following is what I was always told when hiking in Glacier Park, which is home to both grizzly and black bears (unlike, say, Yosemite) but where the bears are not generally greatly acclimated to humans (again, unlike Yosemite).

You don’t want to wave your arms, yell, and act aggressive. A bear who perceives an imminent threat will attack. You don’t want to lie “face down,” to the extent that implies you should be stretched out, since that gives the bear your legs to gnaw on. You should not run from a bear in close proximity that attacking or imminently to attack you, be it black or grizzly, because it any bear, of either species, can out-run you. And trying to discern whether the bear is trying to (a) eat you; (b) scare you off; © protect its young; or (d) work of some aggression, may sound good in theory, but the reality is that you are unlikely to know why the bear is attacking you until after the attack – assuming you survive.

The actions recommended by the U.S. National Park Service are: If you see a bear and it doesn’t see you or doesn’t appear overly bothered by you, leave the area immediately and quickly, but without running. Do not do anything that the bear might consider threatening, as that may trigger an attack that otherwise would not have taken place. (Bears usually only attack when they are threatened.) If you are nevertheless the victim of the attack, do not try to fight back – you will lose. Roll into a ball, tucking your extremities up as well as you can. Hopefully, once the bear sees you’re not a threat, it will disengage and leave.

The joke about bear bells in grizzly scat is an old one, but bear bells are highly recommended in bear country. Make noise as you go along, because the most common scenario of attack is when a bear is surprised by a hiker (and feels threatened by the sudden appearance and/or proximity). Keep your pack on your back as it will provide extra protection in the highly unlikely event you are mauled.

You can find information on how to deal with bears (at least in Glacier Park) here.

Some of the best land for hiking is not coincidentally the best remaining territory for bears: the U.S. National Parks. So the comments about carrying a great big ol’ gun should also be taken with a grain of salt. For those of us who hike and camp in the U.S. National Parks, it is worth remembering that firearms are prohibited in the all the parks. Regulations vary regarding state lands (and, for that matter, regarding National Forest lands), depending on season and purpose (i.e., you might be allowed to take a rifle onto Forest Service land to hunt game, in the proper season and with the proper permit, but you still might not – probably will not – be allowed to take a pistol for vague purposes of personal defense). So you should check with your local authorities before toting a gun into the back country.

I disagree about the bells. A study was done recently (which I can’t find a link for) in Katmai Nat’l Park, which has one of the largest concentrations of grizzlies, in which researchers hid in bushes, waiting for bears to walk by. When a bear came by, they tried everything short of throwing the bells at the bears. Not only did the bears not hesitate in stride, they didn’t even evince any interest in the noise or where it was coming from. Now, I will grant that these bears may be somewhat habituated to humans.

My wife and I carry a small personal alarm, which can be purchased at Radio Shack for under $10. It emits a piercing shriek when the lanyard is pulled. This item was recommended by a person who spends her summers hiking the Turnagain Pass area south of Anchorage (another high-density bear habitat). She claims that every bear she has had to use this thing on has turned tail and ran.

Firearms…well, this debate is always lively. My question is always this: how well do you hold up under extreme fear and the possibility of impending death? Can you, with adrenaline pumping at full volume, heart pounding, and hands shaking, draw a weapon, aim it accurately, and hit and kill a 1200 pound mass of muscle accelerating towards you at 40-50mph? I would confidently venture the opinion that 99.99% of the population couldn’t hit their butt with both hands in that situation.

The other old joke is that if you’re going to carry a pistol, make sure you file off the front sight so that it isn’t quite so painful when the bear shoves it up your ass.

Perhaps the best book on the subject is Bear Attacks: Their
Causes and Avoidance
by Stephen Herrero.

I’d agree with Chefguy on the subject of pistols as protection. I used to instruct novices in target shooting with .22 caliber pistols, and I’d estimate that against paper targets about 25% could demonstrate an acceptable level of accuracy after a couple of hours. Throw in a pistol of large enough caliber to be effective against a charging bear and a high level of stress, and it’s plausible that the average person’s chances of hitting the bear are low indeed. The chance that this would stop a determined bear isn’t huge, either.

My understanding is that pepper spray is effective about half the time it’s properly used. This isn’t great, but probably better than anything else. It has some other advantages, such as typically requiring less in the way of permits and paperwork than a pistol would, and not leaving wounded animals for other to cope with.

I go camping quite often in the summertime, and I have encountered many black bears (although, most while I am on my quad or in a car). Once I was fishing with my Dad and I smelled a bear, and he dismissed it and thought it was a skunk. We got into the car a little while later and went to the opposite side of the lake to fish (it was a very small lake). We could see across, and RIGHT where we were fishing before, we saw a HUGE black bear sniffing around by the shore. I was like, “I told you so!”, to my Dad. I haven’t had any real dangerous encounters… scared the hell out of me when I was riding down a trail on my quad and there were 2 huge bears to my immediate right (within 5 feet of the trail). I went on my way but thing was… I had to return that same way, and when I did, they were still there, although they didn’t move much except look at me as I sped by. Worst case scenario is if one of them had been in the trail as I was approaching… but I try not to think about stuff like that, heh…

Silly question, but somewhat serious: What about a samurai sword?

On the subject of weapons, I’m convinced that a novice like me (and most) would have no realistic use for a high-caliber handgun for bear protection.

But what about a sword? Let’s say a “3-body rated” Japanese katana. Assuming adaquate time to draw the blade, what would be the effect? I’m not talking any RPG style swordplay here, and I’m no martial arts expert, but I would think that a charging/paw-swiping bear could be very damaged by a forceful swing of a sword.

I admit that a 44" sword isn’t going to stop a 1000lb bear, but if I chopped off his paw, might he relent? What about just holding the sword out in a thrust and letting the charging bear impale itself?

Could I at least defeat a mountain lion?

With a sword (or spear) an amateur might get lucky–one of my favorite bear documentaries showed a (mutual) hunt between a polar bear & some Eskimos. The humans found the bear and drew lots. The loser (presumably) got to take the spear and stoll accross the ice to the bear. He stopped about 20-30 feet in front of the beast. Bear takes a few steps toward (beshitted) Eskimo, stops, stands up with its arms waving and starts walking toward the (motionless) hunter who is just standing there with both hands on his spear at hip level. When the bear is just a few feet away, the hunter almost casually pierces the bear’s heart with the speer (Anthony Hopkins did something like this too in one of his less crappy movies).

You need to allow for the fact that if the bear is really after you he’ll be coming fast. A powerful rifle (or possibly even a pistol) might stop him. A dose of pepper spray may temporarily blind or incapacitate him, and convince him to do something else for the remainder of the afternoon.

If you use your sword well he’ll have a wound, but still retain most of his strength and skill. And he may well resent the injury. His biting power will probably be unimpaired.

I’d say that if you can split his skull you may have a chance. Not otherwise.
[I say “he”, but it is more than likely to be a female protecting cubs. This happened to a friend of mine while hiking in Alaska. He came across a mother with two cubs (about 75 yards away) and she charged at what he reported was a shocking speed. He’d climbed a short ways up a tree, but she was able to grab him and drag him to the ground, where she bit his leg a few times, breaking it. He played dead and she soon left (threat neutralized). He made a splint from a sapling and managed to stagger 5 miles to help. He made a full recovery, though he has some interesting scars.]