1st I wish to thank all the men and women of our armed forces, you are the best of us and you proved it. Thanks you for your service and protecting our freedom. Thank you for bringing freedom to an oppressed people and being such a service to humanity and not just our country. The Big Thank You goes out to all our troops all the way up to the Commander in Chief for having the insight to make this a safer world.
2nd Even though I am not the one who should be saying this, Your welcome free people of Iraq, your destiny is now in your hands. The liberation of your people is a great day for humanity.
3rd a BIG SCREW YOU to all the people who opposed the war effort to free the oppressed people. Screw you who stopped traffic to shout your anti-US, anti-military hatred. Screw you who said this war would be a quagmire trying to end our attempt to free the oppressed people of Iraq, if this is what a quagmire is lets have them again and again till the whole world is free - it should take no more then 2 years. Screw you who wanted to get your anti-war, anti-US BS on the media, Screw you for putting our troops at risk for giving the enemy video to boost their moral and fight harder. As per my other thread - Screw the French, Russians and Germans, NO YOU CAN’T HAVE ANY INPUT AS TO The Rebuilding. Screw the UN who doesn’t have the balls to enforce the resolutions it passes. Screw the congressmen and house members who opposed the war and no want to be incharge of the rebuilding.
I never knew my negative feelings for war were BS. I now heartily support your goal of having the US conquor all other countries, and setting them up with shiny new US approved governments. Since I’m not in the US right now however, I’ll just be quiet and wait for you to get around to here.
Nanoda:
Relax. We have to get through Iran, Syria, North Korea (and maybe France) before we have time to come after y’all in Canada… It might take a while.
You know, screw you too, buddy. Screw you for thinking that because I was opposed to this war, I’m fucking anti-U.S. Screw all of you who think that this thing is fucking over because we won the goddamn war that no one doubted we would win. Screw you for thinking we can wave a goddamn magic wand, provide a little bit of fucking development aid and Iraq will magically turn to a liberal democracy with full civil rights, and all the differences between Sunni, Shi’ite, and Kurd will be papered over. Screw you and the people like you for saying that anybody who even raises questions about the wisdom of this invasion is a virtual traitor. Screw Bush for not caring about world opinion of our actions and then, when the question is raised, proudly points out that we have a “coalition of the willing” made up of countries like Gabon and the Marshall Islands. I’d ask you to screw yourself some more, but you’re probably tired from all that jingoistic flag-waving, more patriotic than thou masturbation you’ve been participating in for weeks.
Look, on a more restrained note, to posters who favor the war and all that, I disagree with you and your analysis, but I don’t think you’re bad people or have evil motives for having advocated war. I’m sure that you came to your position from an analysis of the facts. So, the above is not directed to you, per se. I wish you well. However, I’ve noticed among some sections of the pro-war camp the assumption that anyone who opposes the war does so, inherently, out of bad motives. There seems to be among some pro-war people not only disagreement, but a refusal to accept that anyone can legitimately have an opposing position. This seems to show itself now in a number of Great Debate threads, as well as this thread, which are gloating in nature. (This demonization is conducted by some of those people opposed to the war also, of course, althoughm I like to think, in smaller amounts. However, that belief might just be a case of noticing one’s opponent’s warts while ignoring one’s own.) At any rate, I’m certain that men and women of good will on both sides of the debate fervently hope and pray that the capture of Baghdad will mean the end of this war, that no more people will be killed, that the rebuilding of Iraq will occur quickly and peacefully, and that our soldiers will soon be able to come home.
Nanoda:
This might be a good place to note the story, verified by Snopes of a statement by Colin Powell to the World Economic Forum in January of this year:
Not the actions of your typical “conqueror,” are they?
You can read the full text of Mr. Powell’s remarks here
That’s not what kanicbird was talking about, so try to calm that hair-trigger of yours. The OP is referring to Congressmen and women who opposed fighting the war, but now want to shape post-war Iraq. In other words, they didn’t want anything to do with the means, but now want to have a piece of the ends. If you’re anti-war, for whatever reason, that’s fine and has a definite moral backing. But then you can’t then try to claim a part of the moral high ground on the aftermath too. They took none of the political risk in supporting the war, but still want to reap the political and moral capital of rebuilding Iraq.
Nowhere does this say anything about them not supporting the troops.
Jeez, do you know anything about the first Gulf War? Bush I was hamstrung by the UN, who limited the war aims at only removing Iraq from Kuwait. The US could not have pushed on to Baghdad if it had wanted. To blame this all on Bush I rather than Hussein is beyond comprehension.
mayberrydan: Yeah, I figured that.
DrLizardo: I was betting on having to wait a while.
MLS: Please read the OP a bit, specifically the part that sez:
I don’t feel I’m out of line insulting the OPs polarized us or them, with or against boolean viewpoint. If you want to know my personal viewpoint… read Capt. Amazing’s post, as it’s similar to my own, with a greater vocabulary. For some reason, “not jumping up and down for war” is being equated with “hates everything in the US” by a whole ream of fuckwits. Fuck you if you think that; I hate the RIAA, Microsoft, and now you. Most everything and everyone else in the States is at either neutral or above.
I’d just like to add a big double-size SCREW YOU to all the cowardly fucks who bought into this war out of fear of what Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction could do to their home town, and are now wrapping themselves in the noble cloth of liberty. You spineless weasels do not deserve the freedoms that others fought for.
I have relatives who live in Baghdad. I’ve had to spend the past two weeks wondering if they’re still alive. Occasionally news gets out, a few times even a phone call to alleviate the worry, but then another bombing run happens and gets covered under a blaze of flying flags on Fox, and we worry, all over again.
One of my aunts, her daughter, and her daughter’s children. No one has heard from them in a week.
I don’t dispute that Saddam Hussein is/was an evil man. I don’t dispute that Iraq will eventually be better off without him.
But FUCK YOU, kanicbird, and your narrowminded, imperialistic, flag-wrapping dick-waving two-bit self, for thinking this war had ANYTHING to do with rightgeousness, or anything ELSE other than 1. oil 2. money 3. a distraction
We have as much right to militarily overthrow Saddam and occupy Baghdad as Canada has to take out Bush and park tanks on the White House lawn. And now I get to listen to snivelling little moralistic shits like yourself tell me about how my aunt and her daughter and kids are better off now. Yeah, if they’re fucking alive, you short-dicked neanderthal.
And, God willing, if they are okay will they be more or less happy that Saddam is now gone? Do you think they’ll be better off now? I’m curious to hear from actual Iraqis, or those with family there, since the only expat Iraqis I’ve seen so far have been those cheering wildly in the streets around the world, praising Bush (from Europe to Detroit, I’ve seen so far).
I’m reminded of two of my Yugoslavian friends, who were hugely pissed off at Clinton and his policy of bombing their homeland and not knowing if their families were okay. But when it was all said and done, they concluded it had been for the best. I don’t have any friends from Iraq, so I’d like to hear from any on this Board.
What about those of us who did not shout anti-US anti-military hatred, but yet expressed grave reservations and honest fears about the war, those of us who are prepared to open mindedly examine the outcome and consider that one of the possibilities is that we were wrong? Do we get tyhe SCREW YOU as well?
Screw every simpleminded amoebe who fails to see the world in anything other than black or white, and screw the ones that only seem to be interested in debating international politics when shiny rockets are involved twice as hard.
C’mon everybody, agree with me, right fucking now. You’re either with me, or against me.
As if kanicbird and his ilk ever gave two tiny shits about the welfare of Joe Iraqi before it became a hot topic.
Meanwhile of course, agencies like Amnesty International (against the war btw) will continue to fight for human rights, largely in silence, in a hundred other places that almost no-one else - least of all kanicbird I’ll bet - even pretends to care about.
