What the difference between being raped and being “forced” is.
I was at a mall the other day and these feminist bull dykes where protesting outside about date rape. She was going on about how there are like 1000’s of date rapes every year and all these women are forced into sex.
So i asked her what the difference was between being forced into sex and being raped… She didnt appear to happy about that question.
Then I asked her when she was going to do a protest about all the forced anal sex that goes on in prisons.
She was equally unhappy.
Then i accused her of being a sexist because she thoought anal raping of men in prison was alright and asked her since anal rape of men is okay, would it be alright if men forced anal sex on women instead.
Wait a minute, where did anyone get the idea that there is a difference? Does there have to be a difference? Did the protestors say there is a difference? I’m so confused!
Let me try and clarificate, just to minimitite any confundation.
Caveat: I am talking about the law of England and Wales (not Scotland, not the USA, nor any individual State, Commonwealth, etc. thereof). So don’t jump on my back about the Napoleonic Code, the California Highway Code or any other legal system (though I’d be interested to hear how the law is in other countries).
Rape is penetration of a vagina by a penis without consent. It can therefore only be done to a woman by a man. It is without consent. That is not the same as with force.
Penetration of the vagina with anything other than the penis is not, legally, rape. Likewise, penetration of anything other than the vagina with the penis is not rape. In both these cases, the charge would be indecent assault.
Anal penetration of another (whether male or female) without consent falls into the category of buggery which generally carries the same maximum sentence as rape.
Finally, a word of advice:
You must have no idea quite how cretinous this statement makes you sound.
“Who said date rape isn’t kind?” is a line from a Marilyn Manson song. It’s something that I’ve been thinking about a good deal recently. I know that date rape scars women, and it destroys their lives, but is there some hidden benefit to being date raped?
I haven’t thought of any positive aspect to date rape yet, and I doubt I will. But I’m still thinking about it.
“What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch?” --W.C. Fields
Horsepuckey. If the man objects to his penis being inserted into the female’s vagina, he’s being raped. Just because the rape of men by women is grossly underreported, doesn’t mean it never happens.
There are lots of quibbles about definitions of rape. In the research we do, we distinguish between “rape”–defined as forced penetration with a penis or anything else, or forced oral sex–and other unwanted sexual experiences.
There were probably a number of reasons why the protester was unhappy, but the main one is that the number of men being raped in prison or anywhere else is miniscule compared to to the number of women who are forced into some kind of unwanted sex and there is still a great deal of ignorance about date rape. Yes, sexual assault on men is underreported, but it is still, by the numbers, a much lesser problem.
And of course you must realize that your misogynist agenda was written all over your questions. Asking someone who is protesting one social ill why they aren’t protesting an unrelated one is clearly an invitation to a fight. Why aren’t you out there campaigning for prison reform if it’s so important to you?
Bad analogy, Rasta. My kid can stuff a marshmallow into a piggy bank. I’ve seen her do it.
Although I understand what you were trying to say, the definition given (“penetration of a vagina by a penis without consent”) certainly allows for the rape of a male by a female. As well it should, don’t you think? Imagine if a man were raped, but he couldn’t prosecute for rape, because of some badly-worded legal definition. That would be pretty crappy.
You did not read my caveat properly before dismissing my definition of rape as “horsepuckey”. Under English law, a man cannot be raped. If a woman were to force herself on a man in the manner you describe, that would be indecent assault.
Argue all you like about whether it’s possible and whether it’s morally equivalent to rape, etc. That’s not what I was getting at, as you will see if you read my post.
This is the most ridiculous argument I’ve ever heard.
A man’s penis being forced into a woman’s vagina against his will? What in the bloody hell are you talking about? Sure, a man can be seduced. Maybe he will engage in sex when he didn’t originally intend it. But forced? Get real.
sorry, tennhippie, where i live about 10 yrs ago a man was out jogging, assaulted by a young woman, who forced him (at gunpoint i believe) to screw her. he reported the assault to police, who were not able to find her (probably spent most of their energy giggling instead of looking). he was reportedly much traumatized by the incident.
special: I am skeptical still. Assuming the validity of the scenario, I doubt that a man who was terrified could achieve enough blood flow to the penis to permit the act to occur. In high-anxiety situations(unless one enjoys that), the penis shrinks up to nearly nothing. I’m having difficulty picturing the whole event as described.
Uh oh, I started a war!
TomH: Thanks for the clarifaction, that actually makes sense.
TennHippie: My girlfriend threw me onto my bed and pretty much forced me into sex one night. I tried to get up, but she… had pretty good leverage at the time. I was in a horrible mood and my stomach hurt, but I had sex with her anyway. SOOO… in a way, I was raped…