A Dance with Dragons speculation thread (unboxed spoilers)

When Berristan tells her, essentially, that he waited to swear loyalty until he knew she wasn’t insane, she acts as if she she’d never seriously considered the possibility that her dad really was crazy. Sure, she’d heard it, her brother would have told her it was all lies to discredit him. Why shouldn’t she believe that?

And while a lot of people knew he was mad, very few knew HOW mad he was. Berristan COULD tell her that he was really into burning people alive, which often led to him terrorizing and biting bits off of his wife during happy-fun-time, but I don’t think he will. He’ll put the best face on it, because he doesn’t want to admit to himself that he was part of it, or that he was loyal to a monster.

Jamie was the only one (well, the only one still alive) who was actually there at the end, when his madness was at it’s worst. The only one who knew he was going to kill everyone in the kingdoms biggest city out of spite. And, likely, the only one who would be willing to tell her something she’d hate to hear that much.


While he’s made poor choices when it comes to whom it’s appropriate to throw out of windows, a lack of intellectual honesty is not one of his flaws.

Someone said something interesting on another board…does anyone know how old Aegon Targaryens was supposed to be when he and his older sister were murdered? I don’t recall if the books are more specific than “infant.”

Anyway, their theory is that Jon is Aegon. I kind of like that, because I’ve been under the impression that both Cat’s sister’s lost baby boy and Rhaegar/Lyanna are red herrings (seriously, how long was she supposed to have been Rhaegar’s prisoner?). It’d be interesting if this is what Jon learns about his parentage.
Quick! Post your last minute speculations (not actual spoilers, remember) for the book before we have to worry about really getting spoiled next week.

Aegon was “a babe at the breast.”

I think like ten different people would have to have cooperated and told weird lies or have altered memories for no obvious reason for that hypothesis to be true, I’m sorry to say. Gregor, everyone around Dany, Ned and the Lannisters, etc.

Lisa Tully’s/Littlefingers stillborn son? (Ignoring the pretty likely possibility that Robert Aryn is Littlefinger’s too) Really? I’ve never heard THAT one before.

I think the Aegon theory is that someone switched him before the Mountain broke in. So neither he nor the Lannisters would have been in on it. (Was Lady Starfall there at the time?)

No one near Dany would have known about it at all, if I remember correctly. Wasn’t her crew at sea when it happened?


I’m not saying it ISN’T a red herring, I’m just saying it isn’t that unlikely of one.

That, and unless I’m missing something, Targaryens and Starks have pretty different appearances.

Not once have we seen Jon having any sort of resemblance to the Targaryens.

Joe

There was that friendly silver-haired teenager that Arya ran into, the lord/heir to Starfall. Was he the right age? (I seem to remember him being older then Gendry, but small) That would give an explanation to 'why Lady Starfall killed herself, as well.

Edric Dayne… also known as Ned. Squire to the lightning lord. Who has

And who was milk brothers with Jon Snow, because his “lady mother had no milk.” He’s twelve, which would be too young for him to be Aegon, I believe.

But it’s pretty clear that we don’t know what the hell is up with him. Lady Starfall was his aunt, he says she and Eddard were in love and that’s why she killed herself, and yet he’s called Ned. Also there’s a super badass sword in the house that he’s lord of, so obviously he’s going to have to be a superhero of one sort or another.

I forgot a prediction earlier

  • Theon will attempt to find redemption, but die anyway. *Not *for his terrible crimes (those poor little boys killed to look like the youngest Starks) but in a totally unrelated - on the suface - way to draw the idea of the Gods into the plot some more. There has to be more to the old Gods than simply the desire to show a that they have a different religion in the north, so maybe Theon will be the one to show us their wrath.

Tyrion will cross the sea and offer his services to Dany…possibly he will be one of the dragons heads in the end. John Snow will be one of them and will marry Dany (not in this book though)…but I think Dany will cross the sea and she and John will meet (this might be more wishful thinking than reality, however). Bran will find the 3 eyed crow and begin his training. Brienne will find Sansa and get her away from Little Finger. Stanis will begin building a rival power in The Gift and begin preparations to defend the Wall from the Others…but eventually they will figure out that there was a mistranslation in the old prophesies of a Prince that was Promised…it should have been a PRINCESS who was promised, and Stanis will have to bend the knee to Dany, who is the person prophesied to fight for humanity in the endless night. Dany is the one who is bringing the magic and the dragons back into the world, and she is the one who will eventually reunite the shattered Western Kingdoms, as well as hold large parts of the former Gris empire.

Winter will finally come, and there will probably be plenty of unexpected and shocking deaths that happen.

-XT

Two things.

One, have we seen any evidence that any of the Westeros gods (old ones or Seven?) are actually capable of doing anything? We know that R’hillor (or his imposter) can perform miracles, but nothing from the actual Westerosi gods.

Second, I’ll admit that I had a pretty extremely negative reaction to AFFC, so my memory of it is poor, but was there any evidence at any point that Theon felt bad for some of the things he did? I know he felt stupid a whole bunch of times - like his blowing it at home, his failure to keep Winterfel, his being conned by Bolton. But did he ever feel bad for the shitty things he did to anyone along the way? I would be surprised if he even remembered those two boys.

-Joe