A Democratic president and the border wall

Lean into the “permanent monument to the ego and racism of a monster” part. Make The Wall into The Billboard. Commission immigrant artists to cover every north-facing inch of it with depictions of the inhumane acts that Trump and GOP are inspiring and allowing. Pictures of kids in cages, pictures of ICE goons harassing people on the street, quotes of every stupid, racist thing any of them have ever said. All in letters 10 feet high, and bright colors that can be seen from afar.

Yeah, just quit maintaining it, and between vandals and natural decay it will soon degrade into a fitting monument for the Trump presidency. For those who feel it needs to be taken down now, they sell crowbars and metal cutting saws at home depot. Feel free to have at it. Far more satisfying for the wall to be taken down democratically.

Assess the merits of each section of the wall independently. Weigh the benefits & costs of maintenance vs. continued construction vs. abandoning vs. tearing it down. Each of those factors will be different for different parts of the wall.

That’s interesting because according to this thread:

Zero miles of new border wall built since Trump took office

So was the section of the wall at the Tijuana border in the picture, built by the Obama administration or an earlier administration?

I don’t have an answer to this question, but you didn’t ask for a picture of a wall specifically built during the Trump administration.

ekedolphin (OP) asks what should be done with the wall that Trump builds.

foolsguinea says it (the wall that Trump builds) is an eyesore, meaning that he’s seen it.

I ask for a picture of it.

CarnalK posts a picture of a wall near the Tijuana/San Diego border, which was not built by the Trump administration.

So, what wall are we talking about? The wall that the Trump administration built? Or any border wall between the US and Mexico that may have been erected by various previous administrations, Democrats and Republicans alike?

We’re talking about the one Trump promised Mexico would pay for in order to win the votes of cowards, rubes, and simpletons.

You think Trump’s wall is going to wrapped in gold foil or something?

Well, there’s this:

but apparently those didn’t work out so well, so they’re not going to use them:

and from that link:

So it sounds like a photo of existing wall is likely to be as accurate as any.

Personally, I’ve got trouble imagining any version that wouldn’t be an eyesore. But people’s ideas of what’s an eyesore vary.

I’m sure Omar knows perfectly well that any border wall will be an eyesore. He just couldn’t pass up a verb tense mistake cause it’s so damn snaekable.

Fine. The hypothetical Trump-built barrier will be an eyesore.

I have seen multiple reports of new sections of palisade that have started construction, despite what you may have been told. But even if all that construction has somehow been halted, certainly the barrier between San Diego & Tijuana is a big ugly fence, and any barrier between Texas and the river is an eyesore by definition.

And yes, all the border barriers are eyesores, because they are an insult to this continent and its people. But if you prefer, I can be less coy and just call them all abominations.

Why are all border barriers an insult to this continent and its people?

The specific additional physical barriers proposed by Trump are a waste of money and an ineffective method to achieve the goals of preventing goods (legal or illegal in nature) or people entering illegally. The current nature of those entries likely doesn’t even justify the lesser expense of more “smart technology” approaches, and the money can be much better spent in a variety of other ways.

But the very idea of preventing illegal entry of people and goods, which by definition means a functional barrier even if not a physical one, is something that you think insults the very continent and its people?

As one of the people of this continent I am not insulted by that. And the data is pretty clear that most Americans are not.

Where do you live? Chicago? I see. Yeah.

Imagine someone decided Wisconsin desperately had to be walled off. Imagine someone in* Texas *decided you needed a big wall between Illinois & Wisconsin, in order to control the movement of…something, I don’t know, lager or cheese.

How insulted would Chicagoland feel?

Imagine aardvarks ate rats. How insulted would the Golden Gate Bridge feel?

And what dressing goes best with word salad?

Enforced borders are not inherently evil or “insulting”. They are even sometimes in everyone’s best interests. Say like the fence that kept my dogs in my yard so they could play safely and not mess up my neighbor’s yards or the one that keeps kids from going into a pool uninvited and unsupervised.

You really don’t agree with that? Seriously the only other time I’ve heard that position taken is as false presentation of what liberals think by conservatives.

Yeah, but couldn’t it be a nice hedgerow with some flower covered arbors sprinkled around?

My round-a-bout questioning is that most of you have no idea what is happening in the real world (ignorance abounds, even here).

Someone starts a thread about tearing down the Trump wall after his administration leaves, many posters pile on, even posting pictures of the supposed eyesore Trump wall.

There is no Trump wall.

I know perfectly well what’s going on in the world and that the pic I posted was from a longstanding section of wall. I just thought your smartass question deserved an obtuse reply.

I would like to see volunteers permitted to destroy the wall. I would like to see signs along the border with poetry, including, "“Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We thank you for your sacrifice and your service.

“Mr. Shitgibbon, tear down this wall!”