Totes stealing.
The best answer to the OP was that all a future Democrat president has to do about “Trump’s wall” is to simply stop talking about the imaginary wall. Because there isn’t one.
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Drum God** nailed it already in post #7:
Agree
Part of the wall (although only a tiny bit) is being built by Steve Bannon using crowdfunding.
Most places have regulations limiting neighborhood fencing. Would your area let you put one in 30’ tall? How about one of any height that cut across the main road between your neighbors and the grocery store? Your neighbors’ house and their back yard? The local wildlife refuge?
Wildlife necessities aside for the moment: there are multiple communities that over the last several hundred years have grown up along that line, with people moving reasonably freely across the line on a day to day basis, and without disaster occuring to the USA because of this; and also many properties entirely within the USA that are currently on both sides of where a wall would have to go, as no wall can be built precisely on the border line in all areas.
We know that.
We would like that to continue. Trump, at least judging both by his public statements and by his attempts to force us all to spend money on it, would not.
Some of those posting in this thread are answering the hypothetical in the OP. It seems quite common on these boards to start threads with a hypothetical that’s contrary to current fact. Others posting in the thread may respond to the hypothetical while fully aware that it’s contrary to fact.
Thorny did you read the context?
Are ALL border barriers abominations by their very nature?
Not just the ones proposed by Trump but ALL.
Sounds good, we’ll do crowdfunding to pay for the catering for all the people that show up to tear it down.
Nm
Yes, I read the context.
The context is this quote and all the rest of this thread:
and in the context of this thread, “the border barriers” (bolding mine) obviously refers to the ones being proposed by Trump. It could possibly be taken to mean in addition the similarly constructed ones already in place. Taking it to mean “ALL border barriers” in any possible location and of any possible design is what’s taking it out of context.
I disagree, this is not obvious by context. Especially because it is hard to understand how Trump’s walls “are an insult to this continent and its people” but walls built before Trump are not insults.
No, I meant every border barrier built by the USA through historical Mexico. I’m not giving any passes here. It’s all Anglo-Saxon imperialism.
So you don’t believe that sovereign nations have the right to control their borders, place restrictions and time limits on how visitors come through their borders?
Yes, that was pretty clear to me at least from context. I guess not to everyone though as at least one poster here did not get that. What I am unclear about is whether you feel that way exclusively about any functional barrier at any location between the USA and Mexico, or if you feel that way about all functional barriers between any countries.
Both are equally … unique … perspectives, but in different ways.
Can you clarify please?
thorny, to clarify to you further - I am NOT defending the specific idiocy of Trump’s proposals. I am questioning the position, as I understand it, that any functional barrier is an insult.
I don’t understand why this isn’t the default answer. If the wall is partially or completely built, you do a cost-benefit analysis. If it’s incomplete, would it cost the taxpayer more to finish it or to stop construction? Are there sections of the wall where its existence is causing problems (to the environment, legal crossings, etc)? Do any of the wall sections actually hinder border control? What are the maintenance costs for each section and are they in line with the benefit received, or would it be better to let the wall fall into disrepair and spend the money on, I dunno, drones and personnel?
I mean, tearing it down just for petty political reasons seems counterproductive. If it bothers you that much, give a bunch of graffiti artists some spraypaint and they can do rude pictures of Trump along its length, which would be cheaper than taking a wall down.
Or we could just do more of this. That seems fun.
Next you’ll be telling me there is no war in Albania.
We have had something of a wall there for decades. Let’s call the old style “wall” a fence, since that better describes it. Also there for drug interdiction.
So yeah, leave whatever is there in place, it helps with drug interdiction.