A discussion about toilet seat positioning

Sorry. Can’t help you. We close the lid for reasons already listed. Sanitary and nosy animals.

Seat and cover down.

The obvious solution is a TOTO Neorest, with the automatic lid that opens when approach. You get the heated seat and the thing that sprays and dries your nethers (no more disputes over which way to hang the paper), all for less than $5K. Is your household happiness not worth that much?

Because everyone is 100% alert after waking up in the middle of the night because they have to pee.

It’s simple courtesy.

No, only men are 100% alert in the middle of the night. You don’t need to pre-configure their toilet for them.

Why are women so proud of their inability to learn how to operate a toilet with one moving part? And then ask for equality in the labor force.

I’m guessing you don’t have a woman in your life. Just a hunch.

Seat and lid down here, always. I’ve fished at least two panicking kittens out of toilets–one, after the toilet had been used. (That was not a fun task.) So, seat and lid always down.

Heck, I live alone and still always put the lid down. Flush spray all over my little bathroom? EW. Plus I’m sure one of the clumsier house cats would end up taking a swim in there, however brief. None of us would be happy after that.

And to answer the OP, IMO, women who put up a stink about just the seat and not the lid, too, are gross human beings. Everyone should be putting the lid down before flushing, always.

I once had a cat who enjoyed playing with the water in the toilet bowl, splashing it all over. Keeping the lid closed solved that problem. I still keep the lid closed out of habit.

I’d wager that a vast majority of the population isn’t aware of the lid down/prevent poo spray reason for the existence of the lid.

I didn’t before the Dope.
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Here’s how I see it.

Assume one man and one woman inhabit the house. The woman will always want the seat down while the man will sometimes want it down. Overall the seat needs to be down more than it needs to be up and should therefore be left down.

Hmm. And I thought I was exceedingly clear!

Again,

Not a urinal.
No one wants to inspect your toilet bowl.
Seat should always be left down.
(The lid? As you prefer.)

By “everyone” in your sarcastic remark, I presume you mean only women are too bleary-eyed in the middle of the night to reliably check the seat position before sitting; you apparently believe that men can be trusted to always make sure the seat is up before peeing. “convenience for me, not for thee.”

I assume then that you would be opposed to keeping the lid down when not in use, since this means you would risk sitting and/or peeing on the lid in the dark of night.

This. We have a Toto Washlet, and the lid is pretty thin; I’m sure it would break if my wife or I sat on it (we are each of healthy weight). The downside of the Washlet (ours at least) is that if you leave the seat down and the lid up, it sprays the bowl with its sanitized water (in eager anticipation of your download) whenever it sees you approach. This is a problem, since the shower stall is in direct view of the toilet; the Washlet will spray the toilet bowl when you enter/exit the shower, and several times during your shower as well just for good measure. I feel like I’m teasing it.

If no one wants to inspect a toilet bowl, then ISTM to the lid should be down when not in use; the seat, what with its gaping orifice dead-center, doesn’t present much of an obstacle to bowl inspection.

I only ever think about that when I’m using a public toilet. I suspect the reason is that we usually follow mellower rules at home, if you get my drift. I do close the lid when I’m sending a package!

Over 40 years ago I had an emergency appendectomy and was hospitalized for two weeks. I had no way to communicate with anyone, and nobody knew I was in the hospital. My cat was left in my apartment with no food for those two weeks. But I had left the toilet seat up, and he was able to drink water from the toilet. It saved his life. To this day, I leave the toilet seat up, because you never know.

Lid up and seat down is my dream toilet. Being the lone female in a 5 person household my dream gets shattered quite often.

Putting the lid down doesn’t do anything other than instead of the mist flying up it seeps out the sides.

“Closing the toilet lid had little effect in reducing the number of bacteria released into the air which was c. 1000 CFU m−3 after the first flush (data not shown). Although splashes would probably have been contained by closing the lid, there was a gap of 15 mm between the top of the porcelain rim and the seat, and also a gap between the seat and the lid of 12 mm which would allow aerosols to escape into the room. Conversely, Darlow and Bale (1959) found that closing the lid reduced the aerosol concentration by a ratio of 1 : 2 but their measurements were performed using a ‘wash-down’ toilet and an impinger air sampler. In contrast, Bound and Atkinson (1966) found that closing the lid did not significantly reduce the bacterial count in the air from a ‘wash-down’ toilet seeded with E. coli using a slit sampler positioned at seat level.” http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2672.2005.02610.x/full
Also if the next person opens the lid too soon after it was flushed then they get a face full of fecal mist. I’m not sure how soon is too soon but since the mist has been detected lingering for hours in the air… Clean It Fast, Clean It Right: The Ultimate Guide to Making Absolutely ... - Google Books is a link to a google review that has a quote from Dr. Gerba about this. I’ve tried to find the primary source where he said it but have not found it yet.

You are not at all clear. You seem to not know the difference between the seat and the lid.

My cite:

Putting the seat down does not un-display the bowl.

Clear now?
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Nope.

Gotta beg to differ.

With the seat up the toilet looks like it’s being cleaned, bowl well displayed.

With the seat down it appears, and is, ready to use. Bowl not so ‘on display’.

And again, lid, up or down, as each per individual preference, no hard fast rule.

But leaving it seat up, never acceptable IMHO.

Not really OP related, but were you unconscious for the whole two weeks?

I am always surprised about how much passion this one brings about. I close the seat and to make this “burden” slightly easier, I bought one of those seats which slowly close, so all we need to do is push the thing and it slowly goes down.