I sat down last night, turned on the TV and kicked back with some KFC, took one bite and started laughing because of this post.
Do you eat everyday?
How CAN you do that, knowing that there are people literally starving to death all over the globe?
Do you take a shower?
Do you realize some people don’t have clean water to cook with and drink, let alone fresh water to wash their bodies? Or do you only care about furry animals and could give a damn about the human animals?
Do you have any diamonds?
Don’t even get me started on the diamond cartel.
Summary: People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
Ahhh, Nature. Red in fang and claw, as they say.
Sorry Dalmuti, I’m afraid your holier than thou planteater’s tirade is falling on this boy’s deaf ears.
Plants are okay as a garnish or an entree`, and I’m thankful for 'em 'cause plants are what my food eats, but morality? Why should the morals of eating animal protein change now, after five million years?
Just what has changed? We’ve raised cattle for food since the days of the Pharoahs, we’ve hunted wild game since the invention of rocks tied to sticks, and killed 'em with our bare hands for a hundred thousand years before that.
The only thing I can see is that these days with it easy to buy food in prepackaged sterile styrofoam trays in coolers, some people seem to have forgotten what it’s like to get blood on their hands, and now find it “distasteful”.
You feel physically ill eating meat? You do understand that’s purely psychological, right? As in entirely in your head? No different than the 8-year-old’s psychological revulsion at asparagus or broccoli.
So why, pray tell, should your revulsion at a certain practice, dictate nutrition to the rest of us?
As Pundit points out, it’s the little furry animals with big sad eyes thing that’s the fuel behind all this. You just can’t eat something that Disney might make a movie out of.
Oh, I don’t know. I’ve had mouse.
(it tastes like chicken)
I love rabbit but my wife won’t cook it for me. She’s not against eating rabbit, she just doesn’t like it. I love it, it tastes like chicken but richer, hard to describe it.
Dalmuti: I think you set yourself up for the type of attack that you received when you made this topic thread’s title.
By asking that omnivores answer your question… you are requesting that people who have already confirmed themselves as meat-eaters answer your question.
If you had titled your topic: a question about veganism
you would likely have attracted a much different crowd and much MUCH different answers (and less attacks).
I think most of these folks are radical meat eaters to say the least! (:
Maybe try a different topic title next time.
Hmmm, this thread is really winding down. It must be tired. It needs a hot beef injection, stat!
I’m guessing dalmuti just plum gave up. Maybe she realized that her argument didn’t have enough strength or that she was doing a poor job of articulating her views.
Maybe somebody ate her.
Dalmuti wasn’t asking a question. She already had all the answers, as far as she (?) was concerned.
She just wanted to make us evil meat eaters realize how immoral we are, and tell us that if we just thought about it, then of course we would realize that vegetarianism is the only moral choice.:rolleyes:
Oooh, is it helpful hint time? Here are some more:
Don’t assume that any other opinion is an attack.
Don’t start your thread with a mind closed to anything that doesn’t agree with your preconceived notions. Dalmuti might as well have stuck his fingers in his ears immediately after posting the OP.
Don’t assume anyone who doesn’t agree is either stupid or misinformed. The problem could be on the other end.
Don’t assume that it takes a radical meat eater to spot flaws in an arguement.
Try to respond to what people are posting instead of what the voices in your head are saying.
Don’t register just to suggest that the thread title is the issue. If you have a problem getting your message across, it could be the coherence of the message rather than the audience.
Thanks for playing.
Seawitch-I totally agree with you!
Einstein was a genius in mathematics and physics. How does this make him an expert in biology?
The Heinlein quote is a pithy comment on human nature made by an author (through the character Lazarus Long.)
Heinlein is being quoted in attempt to make you think about your own motives. You are quoting Einstein as an authority - on a subject very far removed from his field of expertise.
Can we get a cite? Something more unbiased than “Resturant Confidential” or “Fast Food Nation”?
Without a cite I can’t take even that slight gander at the data you used to formulate this assertation.
I will stipulate the following: There are problems in the beef and poultry production industry in the US. Most of these problems are with how the human workers (primarily illiterate migrants workers with no knowledge of the very few rights they do posess in beef states like Nebraska, Colorado, and Iowa) and contaminant issues (eColi-h7 and the newly discovered mutations of this little bastard, as well as samonella).
Some people are talking “mad cow” but in all honsety mad cow isn’t likely to be a big problem as McDonalds has done what the FDA could not, they got the producers (IBP) mainly to follow federal guidelines on feedlot treatment of cattle and pre-feedlot treatment. These guidelines say you can’t feed ruminantproteins to ruminants which is, according to the latest data, the primary vector for the spread of vCJD.
As for worker safety, well not much is likely to change there. OSHA is toothless and the money to be made in abusing your employees far outweighs the money you can lose due to workplace accidents.
eColi, on the other hand, is being dealt with and the move is being spearheaded by Jack In The Box (or rather the PR man they hired after the unfortunate deaths of some kids a few years back). By reducing or eliminating the indiscriminate use of antibiotics in cattle feed it is hoped that further eColi mutations will be prevented and by stricter in-processing the amount of feces on the killing floor ios being reduced. They will no longer process cattle too sick or too old to walk to the “stunner” under it’s own power.
On your other comments: Everything that lives will eventually die. From microbe to elephant this is true. It is also true that cattle that are not used in beef production will likely die of disease or predators unless you make them into pets. Frnakly my cat shits plenty as it is.
I do not feel morally superior to cattle. I’m from a cattle family, my grandfather is a former president of Iowa Beef Industries and I have raised, named, and eaten my own cattle. I’ll admit that I stopped naming them after a few, but I was always gentle and do believe that cows in general are a very gentle and sweet natured animal (due primarily to breeding, not nature). I also do not feel morally superior to the cold virus that is currently ravaging my sinuses, but if I could kill it I would. I bet you would do the same in my boat.
Everything lives to feed something else.
As for person health concerns, well shit bud everything kills ya. Didn’t nobody tell you that? What you gonna’ do? I don’t drink, quit smoking, more afraid of AIDS than high blood pressure, and I’m virtually off of sugar. What the hell is left? My only three remaining vices are meat (prefferably veal cause it pisses the hippies off), trashy sci-fi novels, and swearing in front of clergy and grandparents.
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Edgar Winter: The other white meat.
Do animals have religion as do people? Do they beleive in a god? Do they have souls? Where do they go when someone kills them for what ever purpose after they die, probably mcdolnalds!
Do murders have basic day-to-day ethics and morals? According to people who eat meat murders should be okay. The reasons they justify eating meat can be the same justification someone murders a person, animal, plant, etc…
Basically people have their own choices which are right no matter what to them.
If killing a animal to eat is okay then why is it not okay for jeffery dahamer to kill humans to eat? Thats what you like and thats what he likes.
Evidently lithium isn’t part of Sabotosh’s diet, but should be.
At least I’m not crazy enough to eat an animal!
Well, smart-ass quipping didn’t work, so I guess I’ll resort to boring old logic, though I know I’ll regret it.
Okay, I’ll bite (no pun intended). Sab, can you explain how eating animal flesh is a symptom of mental illness, as opposed to the normal state of affairs that humans have engaged in for several million years?
How can you conclude my comments require me to need lithium? All I was saying is that a person has a choice to do what ever they feel is right for them. Don’t be hypocritical in stating it is okay for you to do whatever you want (eating meat) but it is not right for some one else to do what they want (eating human meat).
Another words I am not disgusted in anyone for eating meat wheather it is a cow or a human!
For me it is crazy to eat meat!
For you it is not crazy for you to eat meat!
For me it is not crazy for you to eat meat!
But for some reason I need lithium, you are the one making implications about me. I am not making any impliations on you or meat eaters except that everyone has their own choice.