A "LOST" thread about the character Hurley... (spoilers)

I recently got finished watching the fifth season of Lost, which means I’m now all caught up and ready for the new season to begin. It’s certainly not my favorite TV series but it’s been interesting enough to keep me watching five seasons of it, so I’d say that makes it pretty good. I think the writing on the show is usually pretty clever; the cast has a good energy to it, even if nobody is really an astonishing actor; the visuals are certainly interesting. So all-around it’s a good show. Except for one thing: I just can’t stand Hurley.

Throughout the entire show, he has consistently annoyed the hell out of me. From the very beginning I figured that he was probably going to be played for comic relief because of his appearance, but part of me, a small part, thought that just maybe the writers on the show were too clever for that, that they were going to call my bluff and that Hurley was actually going to turn out to be a really deep character with interesting storylines and twists. Well, I guess I expected too much, because as it turned out, my initial suspicions about the character turned out to be completely correct.

There is nothing good about this character. His mannerisms and speech are unbelievably annoying. Specifically the way he abuses the word “dude.” Dude, seriously, I think every time that Hurley says anything to any other character, he says “dude,” dude. And it’s so grating to my ears, like a cat’s claws scratching at drywall. At least Sawyer’s incessant nicknames for the other people were clever, funny and consistently varied. Even the way he walks is exaggeratedly goofy, like there should be a tuba player following him around at all times. I thought the creators of the show were above such a one-dimensional characterization, but I guess they aren’t. His character is the only one on the show who is, virtually always, only there for the purposes of “comic” relief (which is rarely very funny.)

He detracts from the seriousness of the show, not only with the character’s behavior but also with the storylines written for him. Hurley is by far the single sloppiest-written character on the entire show. His back story is full of pointless bullshit that does not contribute to the overall story arc in any way. The whole subplot about the numbers that he won the lottery with had the potential to go somewhere, but it really didn’t. It was like a big McGuffin. But not in a good way, just in a “waste of an episode” way. That’s what Hurley’s episodes were, throwaways. His string of bad luck since winning the lottery was far too over-the-top even for Lost - the asteroid destroying his former workplace, the house he bought for his mother burning down…what does that have to do with the main story arc? And furthermore it doesn’t even really go towards developing Hurley’s character either; his back story episodes don’t add more mystery to his character, like they do with Locke or Desmond; they don’t give profound insights into his motivations, like they do with Sawyer, Jack or Kate. To me it’s like the writers one day said, “hey, let’s have a goof-off episode instead of actually contributing to the show.”

The issue of his schizophrenia, or whatever it is exactly, also seems to be a plot point that leads nowhere. The good thing about Lost, to me, is that the show is a big rejection of the unbelievably tired cliche of seemingly-impossible, surreal, or supernatural events turning out to all be inside the head of a crazy person. What makes it a good show is that no matter how surreal and bizarre the goings-on of Lost are, they are actually happening. So to have a character who sees imaginary people just strikes me as being a pointless undermining of the whole mission of the show. And, furthermore, they brought up the issue of his seeing imaginary people and then just abandoned it. It wasn’t a good plot device in the first place, but if they insisted on using it, you’d think they would at least try to somehow use it to deepen the plot of the show. But they don’t.

I feel that Hugo, aka “Hurley,” truly is the weakest link of the show, and for the life of me I can’t understand why he wasn’t killed off. Charlie was also a weak character who added very little to the show, but at least he got killed off. Hurley, why must you annoy me so?

Dude…

Hurley is the heart and soul of Lost. He’s the one unequivocally decent human being on the show, the only one without an agenda or an ulterior motive. All he wants is for everyone to be OK. Without his grounding, the show would be nothing more than a mess of unlikeable people plotting against each other. So long as he is there to like them - and for them to like him - he gives their characters meaning.

You see, there’s a reason his backstory isn’t that important: he doesn’t need a backstory, because he’s the audience: not beautiful, not efficient or resourceful, just an ordinary guy in extraordinary circumstances. Every show needs an audience surrogate; ultimately, that’s what’ Hugo’s there for.

Plus, I find him hilarious.

I disagree.

I’m not going to go point-by-point with you, but …

Yes, while he IS used more than any other character for comic relief, that’s not his sole purpose. Sometimes his character is knowingly, purposefully comic relief. The golf tournament? Fixing up the VW bus and going for a joyride? He’s the self-appointed cruise director; every group needs one. You may find him annoying, but he is what he is. He is troubled for many reasons, but he is also unpretentious and honest. He is loving and loyal. He is the one person everyone gets along with, except Sawyer, and even Sawyer loves him in his own black-hearted way. At times he serves the purpose of a Greek chorus on the show. You may think his backstories and plot turns are pointless, but here are two counter-points: First, the show ain’t over yet. Second, part of the fabric and ethos of LOST is that not everything is significant, not all loose threads will be tied up, and that some roads will, indeed, lead to nowhere. Some mysteries will remain unsolved. If you don’t get that, you don’t get the show at all.

ETA: and, what Alessan said. :smiley:

Hurley is the Fool. Watch Akira Kurosawa’s Ran and you’ll see why Hurley is there and why he’ll make it all the way to the end of the show.

In fact, now that I think of it, my definition of a good ending for the series is one in which Hurley survives. All the other characters have bought their tickets to hell several times over; but not Hurley.

Hurley is a nice balance to all the characters who are too serious, too self absorbed, too dramatic, too intense, too urgent. Comedic relief but also a jolt of reality. While Jack runs from place to place because everything is urgent, intense, and important and Locke waxes philosophical gibberish and Kate is all dramatically over emotional about everything, Hurley is always there to shake them by the shoulders “guys, what the hell are you doing? lighten up for gods sake!”

I get the show. I just don’t think that Hurley’s loose ends are good loose ends. Hell, I’ve watched Twin Peaks twice, and that show was the king of loose ends and roads that lead nowhere. Hurley’s “loose ends” and “unsolved mysteries” are just sloppy writing. And, again, I can’t stand his character. I can’t stand the way he talks; it’s like there’s a bad smell coming from the TV when he’s speaking. And I do not think that Hurley represents “the audience” or “the average person” somehow.

But hell, it’s not like that one character is going to stop me from finishing the show.

It’s clear you won’t accept anything we say about Hurley’s character and role in the show because your dislike of him and your prejudices about fat people and Valley Dudes. Hurley and Charlie (who you also dislike and see as pointless) are the two most popular characters on the show. If you don’t get why, then you simply don’t get the show, at least not in its entirety.

As much as I like TP, it was the very definition of a premise that ran out of steam. Its roads to nowhere were there precisely because of runaway-train, everything-but-the-kitchen-sink, desperation writing. LOST’s major arcs have been mapped out for a long time, and the loose ends are sometimes deliberate. Details may have been filled in as they went, but once they got the endgame timing commitment from the network, they’ve been working toward a known end. LOST owes a lot to TP, among others, but the nature and reasons for the loose ends couldn’t be different.

Charlie was absolutely pointless. I mean, he sacrificed himself for the greater good, which was a noble act, but I found his story arc to be pointless and unconnected to the rest of the show - an afterthought, and a comic-relief character like Hurley. His heroin addiction - a pointless diversion from the plot. His obsessive desire to be the father to Claire’s baby - pointless, and poorly-acted besides. His story flashbacks - completely irrelevant to the overall plot. Now that I think about it, Charlie was more pointless than Hurley as a character, but Hurley was (and is) more annoying to have to watch.

If they wanted to throw in an “average guy” who would be neutral, not take sides, represent “the audience,” whatever, that character should have been a mid-twenties college graduate in the IT or engineering field who lacks direction and focus in life, suffers from depression and/or anxiety problems, and is not a multi-million dollar lottery winner. From where I’m standing, that is the “average” everyman character to the Lost audience demographic.

I’ll chime in and say I agree with you. I don’t particularly care for Hurley either, and if he was killed off or written out of the show in some other way, it wouldn’t bother me at all.

But, it’s not because of his lingo. (I live in a beach community and have grown up around the beach for most of my life, so I’m, like, totally used to that kind of talk.)

Every major character on the show has a purpose, a drive, or a motivation, and they all seem very determined to carry out what ever that may be. I like that. No time for games. No time for bullshit.

Hurley, on the other hand, seems to be there just crusing through life without any real motivation or drive. He’s the classic “let the chips fall where they may” and “let nature take its course” kind of guy.

That may work for some, but that kind of attitude doesn’t really appeal to me. That’s probably why I don’t care much for Hurley. He never really takes charge and just rides others’ coat tails.

Now, I’m not against having fun and having a good time. But there’s a time and place for that. When you have a group of people intent on capturing you and/or killing you, you might want to hold off.

Or run them over with a VW bus.

I can see why some viewers may not like Hurley. The “dudes” can be irritating.

But I think he’s an essential character in this story. He represents a purity that every other character lacks. He has a high degree of morality and many times he is the only source of logic. He is the essence of a conscience within the story plot.

All of the other characters have some sort of unsavory flaw. Hurley’s flaws are that he’s too loyal.

This is the reason that I dislike Hurley. He is forced down our throats as the heart of the show. But they never actually show us why he should be considered such. He has never had an interesting storyline, his backstory is weak and never really went anywhere. He hangs around stronger characters saying “Dude” every 12 seconds and really hasn’t contributed to the show in any way. I wouldnt have a problem with any of this if it werent for the fact that the writers want us to see him as the heart and soul of the show.

Well…I think you can’t blame the writers too much about that. It’s decently obvious that Hurley was supposed to have some story with Libby. Unfortunately, the actor was being a bit of a butt in RL (if you read between the lines) and they canned her as soon as they could think of a good explanation for it. But, that also screwed Hurley out of his second back-story.

And of course there was also the writer’s strike cutting one season short, so quite likely a bunch of Hurley-specific storyline that had been planned for the season got cut out because he isn’t one of the main main characters and they had to focus on just those.

Dude. Hurley’s like awesome. The show just wouldn’t be as good without him.

Thread over in one. Everything I wanted to say, and things I wished I would’ve said. Hurley is the one decent person on the show, without agenda or hatred. He’s everyman. By being better then the rest of the cast, he saves them from themselves. Just by being himself, he makes those around him better people, and that’s sorely needed with that group.

What is this “everyman” that Hurley is supposed to be? Hurley is not “everyman.” This doesn’t make any sense at all.

“Everyman” is not a multi-millionaire lottery winner and investor.

“Everyman” would not, if he did win the lottery, decide that his money is “cursed.”

“Everyman” is not a paranoid schizophrenic who sees imaginary people.

“Everyman” cannot magically repair a junked bus that is sitting in the jungle for 30 years.

“Everyman” does not respond to every single scenario that comes up with the same goofy-ass, unrelenting sarcasm. “Everyman” certainly does not keep up a ridiculous, over-the-top, caricature personality consistently throughout confusing, harrowing, life-and-death circumstances (as depicted on the show.)

I completely reject this theory that Hurley and the audience are supposed to have something in common. And never, ever, ever did I finish a really suspenseful episode with a great cliffhanger and then think, “I wonder what’s going to happen with Hurley?

Hurley’s fine, but Desmond is a pretty decent fellow also. I like him more than Hurley.

As is your right.

I’m not a big fan of Hurley or Charley either. Thank god that Charlie magically forgot to swim when the hatch was filling with water (or was it a self-fulfilling prophacy?) but I think Hurley does serve a purpose no one else does. Everyone seems to come up with these grandiose, elaborate, complex schemes and he comes up with the simple plans that work. When he saves the day, I’m reminded of that scene in ST:The Final Frontier towards the end when everyone is congratulating themselves with a circle jerk and Kirk asks, “Why does God need a spaceship?”